http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9116212.stm
I couldn't agree more, with every word. The Bosman ruling, whilst good in principle, has gone way too far.
Not to mention the overall point of the nitwits in charge of the game living in some sort of parallel universe.
Love managers like Holloway that just say what they feel, and often say exactly what your average Joe in the stand is thinking as well.
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21-10-2010 08:42 PM #1
Ian Holloway on the Bosman and Wayne Rooney.
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21-10-2010 08:50 PM #2This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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21-10-2010 08:52 PM #3This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Pretty much agree with all that Holloway is saying, though he's largely pishing in to the wind as either a) people won't listen or b) "isn't that Holloway hilarious?"
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21-10-2010 11:52 PM #4This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Ian Holloway , take a boo son..
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22-10-2010 01:25 AM #5
Players should be taking more of a responsibility in all of this though. There is a chronic lack of understanding of the wider world around them and for someone like rooney to take a wonderful living from man united and then have no loyalty to them its pretty disgusting. Kenny miller spitting the dummy at rangers over a new contract is just as bad imho he's been offered what most people would consider a fantastic wage from a club with well publicised financial problems but rather than accepting it and acknowledging it's a sign of the times, he refuses til they stump up more money.
Imho, footballers need to recognise that their over inflated opinions of themselves are slowly but surely killing the game. I think wage caps are the way forward, and are probably football's best chance of sustaining itself.
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22-10-2010 01:56 AM #6
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Sadly Football is no longer a sport but now a business .
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22-10-2010 06:23 AM #7
the bosman ruling has been terrible for football no doubt all we need is the 'webster rulling' to catch on and contractual agreements between player and clubs are worthless.
Rooney has 6months to wait then he can 'buy' himself out his current contract for £5million (annual salary) pretty disgraceful that loop hole hasnt been closed if u ask me, all it would take is a quiet word in his ear from say man city u pay the 5million we'l give u 15million straight up and 120k a week.
what chance u got, clubs cant miss out on transfer fee's like that no matter how big the club
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22-10-2010 08:44 AM #8
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I don`t particularly like Rooney based of course on what i`ve seen and read but is he not being demonised here, it is his perogative not to sign a new contract and either leave early or run down the contract with Man United recieving nothing, if he did the latter he would be savaged, as Roy Keane rightly said he is not a piece of meat, i think Ferguson`s stance is that of easing the blow for the fans, getting them used to the idea that he won`t be around for ever.
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But back then the club had the strength of position to hold onto the player, even when the contract had run out, they could still command a fee if they felt the player was of value.
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22-10-2010 09:15 AM #12
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22-10-2010 09:23 AM #13This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
They cant buy the players they want anymore. They cant keep the ones they have. Its actually quite funny imho watching them squeal and whine. They always say what goes around comes around, now for the old firm.
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22-10-2010 10:42 AM #14This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Sure, when the bosman ruling was first made it made sense. Why should a player be refused his right to leave a club when he no longer had a contract? He shouldn't.
Greedy players like Rooney are exploiting this as they know fine well that they can now command huge signing bonuses and wages if their new club doesn't have to shell out for them.
Meanwhile back at the ranch, Man U get the square route of bugger all.
I see you mentioned Riordan earlier. Prime example. Hibs spend thousands of pounds on wages, resources, coaching over a number of years. Take him from being a promising wee laddie and give him the opportunity to make it as a pro footballer.
He then repays the faith put into him by the club and all the coaches who have coached him by refusing to sign a new contract so he can leave for penny's.
That can't be right surely?
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22-10-2010 10:49 AM #15
They are all greedy bar stewards who think they are better than they are, Tevez mouthing off to Rooney to come to Man City, now there is a perfect example of a mercenary @rsehole with a big gob. Rooney should be in hiding for all his antics and be thankful that Man U are sticking by him, a disgusting little turd who thinks because he has money he can do what he likes. I have seen more principles in a tramp than what Rooney and Tiger woods have together.
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22-10-2010 10:56 AM #16This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I wish Rangers and Celtic would "steal" our players for that kind of money.
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22-10-2010 10:56 AM #17This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
He has come out and said that he doesn't think Man U will match his ambition and there is a good chance this is genuinely true. An £80M loss this year so there'll be a limited transfer budget and having seen the mess that Liverpool are in I can see Man U being out the top 2 or 3 in a few years.
If this is about money then he's being an erse but... players want to be as successful as they can and if this involves moving then fine. Can anyone on here honestly say they wouldn't want to leave a sinking ship to join a more successful club for triple the money?
Don't get me wrong, I can't stand Man City and what money has done to football. But Man U of all people can't complain.
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22-10-2010 11:04 AM #18
What happened to Bosman couldn't have happened in Britain as there was a Transfer Tribunial in place, therefore he couldn't have been dropped to the reserves and had his wages cut.
The EU went way over the top and we now have a system whereby Clubs are held to contracts but players are not.
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They pressurised Tottenham into selling their best asset, yet are now whining when their own main asset wont sign a new deal as he wants to play for a bigger club. Oh the irony. As i said, what goes around comes around. Their demise is iminent, and i think its fantastic.
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I'm all for these guys moving on to treble their wages elsewhere, secure their future etc. I just think a wee bit more loyalty could be shown. He knew fine well that if he never signed a new deal he and not the club would get the lions share of the transfer value.
We got something in the region of 100k for a player worth around 1000k.
Riordan would've got his move, regardless.
Fletcher, O'Connor, Brown etc proved that to be the case.
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It's driven by legal parameters; not by some bond of faith or affection for the other party.
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22-10-2010 07:35 PM #25This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Alas the Pink and Green has been replaced with the Financial Times.
Is nothing sacred?
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22-10-2010 08:06 PM #26
Having thought a little more in to the situation, might this be one of the few occasions where we can be glad that the SPL is far from awash with money? I'm sure we can get more of a 'proper football' angle with players wages being far more relative to your average fan, albeit still well paid.
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22-10-2010 08:31 PM #27
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22-10-2010 08:50 PM #29
Football as usual made a rod for its own back by having a wage cap until the English players threatened to go on strike in the 60s lead by non other than Jimmy Hill.
Players ran out in front of 30 or 40,000 every week paying lets say £1 a head, but the players were on about 30 quid a week or something, which was hardly fair seeing as how the punters were paying to see them not the bloody board.
Now of course its gone in totally the other direction, the players and their agents are squeezing every last cent out of clubs, to the extent that gate money comes nowhere near covering the cost and most clubs rely on TV money and filthy rich owners to cover transfer fees and wages.
The trouble is that financial lunacy like that can only end up one way and eventually there will be come back on the Real Madrids and Man Citys of this world and even worse for the smaller clubs who spend way beyond their means in a vain attemp to compete with them.
Its time for a Europe wide wage cap of lets say £30,000 a week, with a back up pension plan for injured players. That would stop cash greedy players from warming the bench at the big clubs, when they can get into the first team at lesser clubs knowing they will be on the same money.
The players call the shots just now, but a simple system like that agreed by all the clubs would spike their guns.
I dont disagree that talented sportsmen & women should be paid what they are worth, but not if they kill their sport doing it.
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22-10-2010 08:57 PM #30
As far as I'm concerned, the responsibility must be on the clubs to ensure that they do not overspend on wages and transfer fees. I am not in favour of wage caps because I think that if clubs can afford to pay a player £100,000 a week then they should be able to do it, even if it is a disgusting amount of money. If they do it but can't afford to pay it then they should face the consequences and Hell mend them.
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