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    Scottish Premier League Reconstruction - 14 Team SPL?

    It looks like we are heading for a 14 team SPL, according to this article on the BBC website. Will this be any better?

    If the majority get their way, the new-look SPL will welcome two new teams and become a division of 14.
    The favoured new set-up will also include relegation play-offs with a two-up, two-down system.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/9108392.stm

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    And the split would remain

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    Many fans favour a larger division still, but several chairmen are fearful of losing the financial benefits of playing the Old Firm clubs twice at home

    This is the problem we are always going to have, its the money men deciding whats best for them rather than the football men deciding whats best for Scottish football.

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    Why do they consistently choose the most ridiculous option every time. Teams in the top half after the split play 36 matches while teams in the bottom play 40 games. You couldn't make this **** up.

    Just have 16 teams with everyone playing each other twice. Simple!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bighairyfaeleith View Post
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    Why do they consistently choose the most ridiculous option every time. Teams in the top half after the split play 36 matches while teams in the bottom play 40 games. You couldn't make this **** up.

    Just have 16 teams with everyone playing each other twice. Simple!!
    Not ****in rocket science is it ?

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    Why do they consistently choose the most ridiculous option every time. Teams in the top half after the split play 36 matches while teams in the bottom play 40 games. You couldn't make this **** up.

    Just have 16 teams with everyone playing each other twice. Simple!!
    This is utter stupidity - the 14 teams idea that is, not your post. You would be better off in the finishing 8th than 7th so you have the revenue from the extra home games. Can't believe a body who is paid to organiuse football leagues could come up with this.

    Also agree re the 16/18 teams and less games. With less fixtures our national team would benefit, teams would maybe take the league cup more seriously and we could have a winter break.

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    As usual, these guys are considering lots of solutions before they fully understand the problem(s) that a league reconstruction is meant to fix.

    There was a golden opportunity to make radical, innovative, change but it is going to be an opportunity missed.

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    "The plan is for each team to play each other once home and away (26 fixtures) before splitting into two sections, either six/eight or eight/six.



    Teams would then play other teams in their section once more home and away.
    It means those in the post-split section of six would play 36 matches and those in the group of eight would play 40 games"


    This is a sherry fuelled joke from the blazers, right???

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    Quote Originally Posted by bighairyfaeleith View Post
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    Just have 16 teams with everyone playing each other twice. Simple!!
    Agreed.

    One of the great things about football down south is the psychological effect of only playing each other twice, as you get just the one chance for revenge each season. There is definitely something added to an away game at Hartlepool in April if you battered them 6-0 at home in October.

    Would the hype surrounding Chelsea vs Man Utd at Stamford Bridge be quite as high had they played each other twice already and there was at least one more to come?

    The fact is that EVERY game in England is a one-off spectacle each season. Up here you get frequent repeats throughout the year and then an Omnibus at the end.

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    18 team league, with either 2 or 3 teams getting relegated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bighairyfaeleith View Post
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    Why do they consistently choose the most ridiculous option every time. Teams in the top half after the split play 36 matches while teams in the bottom play 40 games. You couldn't make this **** up.

    Just have 16 teams with everyone playing each other twice. Simple!!
    This is the key word that should be used by the SPL/SFL when deciding on the new structure.

    If I ever talk to someone who doesn't follow Scottish football they find the whole split business funny but confusing as you said 16 teams play each other twice once home once away no problem no confusion , no embarrassment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bighairyfaeleith View Post
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    Why do they consistently choose the most ridiculous option every time.
    To make it look like they're doing a proper restructure while making sure that the OF retain their dominance and still play each other a ridiculous amount of times each season.


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    It seems riduculous that some teams would play 36 games and the rest 40 games.

    The plan is for each team to play each other once home and away (26 fixtures) before splitting into two sections, either six/eight or eight/six.
    Teams would then play other teams in their section once more home and away.
    It means those in the post-split section of six would play 36 matches and those in the group of eight would play 40 games.

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    18 teams 2 up 2 down and restructure the league cup into regional groups of 4 playing home and away then a knockout, each team is then guaranteed 20 home games a season.

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    Teams rarely even fill the ground for OF visits these days anyway...it's a load of pish!

    Haven't they thought that they might be more likely to have fans turn up if they were challenging near the top of the league?

    This 14 team idea is guff and will just create more post-split pish, especially if there are 8 teams in the bottom section! They'd be as well having teams 7-10 just give up at the split and have the bottom 4 fight it out for relegation!

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    18 teams 2 up 2 down and restructure the league cup into regional groups of 4 playing home and away then a knockout, each team is then guaranteed 20 home games a season.
    So why did we give this up nearly 40 years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ballengeich View Post
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    So why did we give this up nearly 40 years ago?
    To re-brand Scottish football, which worked back then but has fallen flat on its face in recent years.

    We have seen in recent years that there are 1st division team who can hold there own against SPL teams in cup tie's, so why can't they hold there own in a league system, in which they will have a bigger more realistic playing budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ballengeich View Post
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    So why did we give this up nearly 40 years ago?
    That was when it was 2 points for a win, so there were loads of meaningless games the last 2+ months of the season.

    Maybe we need to think about bonus points as Jack Ross mentioned in his blog here.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jackross/..._easy_foo.html

    We've changed things before, when goal average was used to deicde league placings if the points were the same. Nice to think back to the title deciding match in 1964/65, when Killie needed to beat Hearts by 2-0 to pip the Yams on goal average. Killie won 2-0

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    I presume the blazers are concerned with the number of financially viable clubs which is why they are considering 14 as opposed to a greater number?

    They can't have another Gretna or Dundee scenario but at the same time if you just have the same whipping boys going up and down all the time it makes it a farce.

    My personal preference is 18 teams but again not sure if leaves enough depth in a 1st division to have a meaningful promotion process.

    I personally would prefer less league games, it might encourage more people to actually come along and if its income that is then the issue then amend the cup competitions.

    I would like to have seen how thorough this report has genuinely been to have come up with the current recommendation.

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    BBC Sport:
    Many fans favour a larger division still, but several chairmen are fearful of losing the financial benefits of playing the Old Firm clubs twice at home.
    That says it all!

    It needs to be 16 teams or more to make the SPL more interesting. Playing teams more than twice in a season (home and away) is getting boring. Add in possible cup ties and at the moment you could play the OF 8 times (I'm guessing) in a season FFS!

    Is it any wonder that SPL crowds having been dropping?

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    I like it. Better than what we've got.

    And the top 6 split doesn't bother me.
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    As a fan it's 18 for me. Home and away 34 games a season. No split.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    I like it. Better than what we've got.

    And the top 6 split doesn't bother me.


    Whilst the 14 teams still doesn't sound ideal, it would still be a refreshing change from what we have.

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    18 team league or leave it the way it is.

    We have to be the only league in europe coming up with these stupid structures and splits.

    Like others have said as long as money dictates everything Scottish Football is doomed, there is no point even worrying about it.

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    Things just couldn't get any worse eh?? Then up pops the all knowing chairmen oracles of the SPL to create another farce set-up!

    How much lower can Scottish football get with these clowns at the helm??

    We need; One Association, 16-18 team league playing each other once home and away; and; drop the points system back to two points for a win and one for a draw.

    The final knife in the back....Goodbye Scottish Football...

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    These smaller clubs do my nut in, I know they rely on the large unwashed hoards descending on them like the plague to boost their coffers.
    But do they not realise that it would be better to get more of your own supporters bums on seats, by playing against more evenly matched opposition your giving yourself a chance of collecting more points thus possibly earning more money by finishing higher up the table!
    Plus the more of your own supporters you encourage to come back, the more dosh you stand to make selling club merchandise as well!

    When will these clubs realise that the OF are killing the game up here, rather than helping it. The SPL need to do this reconstruction right, as has been mentioned a 16 team league is the way to go for me, with 1 automatic relegation spot and 1 automatic promotion from the first and then having a 2nd,3rd bottom and 2nd,3rd top from the first playing off for survival and promotion!

    If the SPL and SFL have the balls to do this properly it gives them the opportunity to possibly barter a better TV deal, with the added play-offs and the league becoming more competitive they should generate a more interested and wider audience!
    Then the next move would be for them to say to the uglys that the TV money is to be evenly split, as people no longer just want to watch you, they want to watch football that is genuinely competitive and far more entertaining because of this!

    Is it just me or would more people want to watch Scottish football if, it wasn't about watching the uglys pump everbody most of the time? It's been made all to easy for them to become the financial heavy weights for way to long now and the time for change is needed to save the Scottish game from fading into obscurity.

    Maybe I'm just making it all sound way to easy, maybe it is to much of a financial gamble for the smaller clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfie View Post
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    That says it all!

    It needs to be 16 teams or more to make the SPL more interesting. Playing teams more than twice in a season (home and away) is getting boring. Add in possible cup ties and at the moment you could play the OF 8 times (I'm guessing) in a season FFS!

    Is it any wonder that SPL crowds having been dropping?
    That's only 30 games though, 15 home games. 8 weeks less of football than we have now. Might be good for footballers but rubbish for the fan IMO.

    Edit: Sorry quoted wrong post it should have been one saying 16. Simples.

    For me has to be 18 or 20 if only playing each other twice.
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    Has to be at least 16, the 14 team idea is worse than what we have now.

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