...us mere supporters? Us that we're told actually are the club?
Indeed was it even put on the website that we sold him?
I suspect there were good reasons for him being sold. However, i must admit i felt a tad embarassed speaking to a non SPL football fan today who ridiculed us for selling Stokes for the pittance we did. Particularly as he said the fortune Celtc took in for Fortune.
Thoughts?
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02-09-2010 06:32 PM #1Testimonial Due
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Did Our Most Expensive Board Per % Of T/O In The SPL Explain The Sale Of Stokes To..
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02-09-2010 06:34 PM #2Left by mutual consent!
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You make good points
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02-09-2010 06:37 PM #3Coaching Staff
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I thought the lack of information on the official site about Stokes leaving (his sale was summarised in one sentence at the bottom of an article about the players we had brought in) was very shabby.
Hibs only release news when it suits them. There's no consistency whatsoever.
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02-09-2010 06:45 PM #4This is the same board that got way over what anyone expected for the likes of Brown, Whittaker and Thomson. Why do you think they were keen to take such a small fee for Stokes - who some say is a player who will burn out soon?
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Or is that Stokes had a clause in his contract. Fair's fair the board are expensive but they pay their way. Have you got any evidence to suggest otherwise?
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02-09-2010 06:47 PM #5
Have hibs ever done this though?
i cant remember anything other than wishing loan players good luck and the odd player being released
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02-09-2010 06:47 PM #6Left by mutual consent!
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They didnt get way over for those players IMO. Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
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02-09-2010 07:02 PM #7@hibs.net private member
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Sign a player for nowt.
Get 23 goals out of him.
Sell him for a million pounds.
I hope we do that every season.
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02-09-2010 07:05 PM #8Coaching Staff
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It was neither the time nor the place to write this until he actually left the club Originally Posted by smurf
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Re the reason he was sold all I can add is what the man himself told me on two seperate occasions when he was in the company of another Hibs player.
His agent had a clause inserted that if/when a club offered a certain figure ( he did not clarify) he was to be given permission by HFC to speak with them .
Was he telling the truth / porky's I know not
Are you privy to a RELIABLE SOURCE regarding the fee paid ?
If so I'm sure many of us would like to know
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Aye in principle that sounds good. Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
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How about you use the analogy of a car though..
You win a brand now sports car, let's say a Porsche
It's a total chick magnet, in the next 12 months you get girls way out of your league almost weekly
Then you sell it for £500.
Aye you've still come out of the situation well up, but its still not enough.
Granted that's a pretty **** analogy but you get my point I'm sure.
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We didn't sell AS for a "pittance". We also got rid of a player who was absolutely intent on leaving, a player who had caused problem last and this season, and a player who is not bigger than Hibernian Football Club. Did the non SPL fan have any thoughts as to why his club is non SPL and don't have the kind of infrastructure, fanbase and team that we have ? The board could have indeed held off and kept AS here. But that would have been at the expense of disharmony IMHO. As someone pointed out, if we continue to develop a player or two a season and sell for a seven figure sum, I will be well happy. After all, we don't need any more cash (other than running costs) for infrastructure for a long time yet. Hopefully the budgets will increase for players, we get in better quality, and in turn get success with cup wins/league placings.
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So they are consistent then. Originally Posted by Beefster
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The expensive board of ours are doing the best job and progressing a club in the SPL. They should charge double.
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Filled Rolls. What relevance is your question to the thread? Where did I suggest anything to raise the question. Or is it an attempt at diversion to the OP? I think I raise legitimate questions. It's not an anti board OP. Why get defensive? It appears for many our board are above any questioning.
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Why do you support Hibs? Do you support them, hopefully to see them win games? Well if thats the case the best way to do it is to buy players of quality and keep adding to the team. We never got silly money for Stokes so unless there was a clause I think it was a bad move from Hibs. Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
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Would you not prefer to sign a player for nowt,
Get 23 goals out of them in a season.
the next season keep that 23 goal player and add to the team?
I would like to do that every season.
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02-09-2010 07:33 PM #14Left by mutual consent!
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Put it this way...
We arent going to find another striker of Stokes quality with a million...
Not that we'd ever spend that much on a player anyway!
Anyway.... dreadful move IMO.
Peanuts for a top goal scorer.
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As usual the board who are the present custodians of our club will be acting in the clubs best interests. I have no reason to believe it is any diffrent.
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02-09-2010 07:40 PM #16Coaching Staff
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How do you/we know it was "peanuts" ? Originally Posted by wee_hibee
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We arent going to find another striker of Stokes quality with a million...
Not that we'd ever spend that much on a player anyway!
Anyway.... dreadful move IMO.
Peanuts for a top goal scorer.
I have seen no "official " figure quoted - in most of the papers it stated "UNDISCLOSED FEE"
For pity's sake let's give some credit to the management/board in this matter
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Im sure they do but they can make mistakes, we all in life try to do things but make errors they are no different. IMO and maybe some others this is one. Originally Posted by greenlex
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How much did he cost us? Originally Posted by wee_hibee
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Indeed Originally Posted by hibs13681
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Who the ****** are you to ask that of me? Originally Posted by hibs13681
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What difference does it make to you why I support Hibs?
I'd love to do that. We can't afford to. Originally Posted by hibs13681
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Do you have a magic pot of money which pays for stands, training centres and reduces our debt?
No, I didn't think so.
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Im quite sure all would still be well off the park if Celtic hadnt bought Stokes. Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
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People seem a bit uptight tonight...time of the month ladies? Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
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02-09-2010 08:03 PM #23Testimonial Due
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I think we all feel that in hindsight we should have got a better contract out of stokes, however in reality who could have got the best contract? I would have voted for petrie.
So if this is the best he could get us then I reckon it's the best pretty much anyone would have got us.
So I'm not happy at losing stokes for a millionish but I am happy to lose a player at a profit, especially given his baggage which I reckon will come out fully over the next couple of seasons.
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hibs13681 made the rookie mistake of not looking at the post count and immediately bowing to superior Hibbyness Originally Posted by easty
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OP makes some good points, irrespective of the Board's previous record. They describe and advertise the club as the Hibernian "Family" yet pick and choose the type of information that they deem appropriate for us Hibs fans who actually pay their wages. Yes, the truth may hurt, but it is the Hibs supporters who pay their wages. Without us, the club is bust, nothing, redundant. A higher degree of respect and openess is the least we deserve.
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02-09-2010 08:14 PM #26First Team Regular
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You see Paul, selling a player is very much like making love to a beautiful woman. First of all, you make them run all over your box. Then you must make sure there is grass on their pitch. Then you stick your balls in their net and dump them off to some other tramp.
Agree with OP 100% though.
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disagree 100% with op but thats class Originally Posted by Zondervan
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You see Paul, selling a player is very much like making love to a beautiful woman. First of all, you make them run all over your box. Then you must make sure there is grass on their pitch. Then you stick your balls in their net and dump them off to some other tramp.
Agree with OP 100% though.
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Hibs have never done it before, it was a one off. Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
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I think we all deserve a little transperancy over this deal. It does seem cheap, if there was a clause in his contract who is being protected by not revealing details. At the end of the day it is good business but to the uneducated eye it have been a lot better.
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If you add the money we got from Sproule to the cash we got for Brown, Whittaker & Thomson, it almost amounts to the money "Mad" Vlad pulled in for Gordon. Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
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We keep hearing mention of a clause in his contract allowing him to go for a certain amount. Who's to say the clause wasn't that he would be allowed to go if Celtc came sniffing around. After all, they are the club he's wanted to go to all his life, except when he snubbed them for Sunderland.
TBH I think we are in a catch 22 situation where any decent player we produce/ sign will always be willing to go to the OF for the extra money they can make. The alternative is to go for average players who will not attract attention from other clubs. Stephen Craigan anyone?
If we go down that route the board will be accused of showing no ambition.
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