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He could play for any of the home nations, would you accept him for Scotland?
Ps. i know he's a hun bassa, etc.
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Thread: Arteta for scotland
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21-08-2010 08:02 PM #1
Arteta for scotland
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21-08-2010 08:08 PM #4
Why not? He's better than any other player we have eligible to play and other countries happily exploit these rules so why shouldn't we?
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21-08-2010 08:09 PM #5
may need to work on his defensive game before Potter looks at him
Saying that, i don't think he would go to any of the home nations bar England,
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21-08-2010 08:16 PM #6This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Very good player though.
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21-08-2010 08:21 PM #8
The way world football is being devalued we might as well. The amount of 'foreigners' that played for teams in the WC was embarassing, if the top nations do it, beggars cannae be choosers!
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21-08-2010 08:25 PM #9
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Very good player and a bit unfortunate that Spain have such a good side, but Arteta playing for a British national side is a farce.
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21-08-2010 08:45 PM #10This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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21-08-2010 08:48 PM #11
I don't care how honking we are. Only Scots should be aloud to play for our country.
On the other hand...... if he fancies a move to Hibs....
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21-08-2010 09:08 PM #12
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This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteLast edited by AFKA5814_Hibs; 21-08-2010 at 09:12 PM.
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22-08-2010 12:54 AM #13
Arteta looked embarassed when he got asked about it. Usual media making stories out of nothing I reckon. Capello was at game - so what? The notion he was there to watch any English players won't sell papers or Sky subscriptions though.
It all makes Levein's shameful courting of the non-entity that is Andy Driver, while putting down and ignoring proven home-grown talent like DR all the more ridiculous.
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22-08-2010 01:23 AM #14
Sorry if im being a spoil sport here but surely if Arteta is picked for Scotland it would defeat the purpose of not just the the Scottish national team but International Football in general.
Arteta is NOT Scottish.
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22-08-2010 01:29 AM #15This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-08-2010 01:32 AM #16This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-08-2010 01:39 AM #17This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If the likes of Pepe, Klose, Podolski etc can all play for other nations then why not. The worst for me was the likes of Marcel Desailly claiming how great it was having the World Cup in Africa when he chose to play for France ahead of his native Ghana. It wasn't the principle pf chosing France the fact these types of players 'were honoured' to have the WC in Africa is a bit hyporcritical
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22-08-2010 01:41 AM #18This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-08-2010 03:10 AM #20
May as well just scrap International football if Arteta plays for a UK nation. I think there's a few people would be quite happy to see that happen.
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22-08-2010 05:24 AM #21
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John Barnes wasn't English. Nothing new in all this. FIFA rules are FIFA rules, only in Scotland are so insular and bawheided that we refuse to use the rules to our advantage.
Last edited by Lucius Apuleius; 22-08-2010 at 05:28 AM.
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22-08-2010 05:30 AM #22This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-08-2010 05:57 AM #23
We used to produce decent players. We now no longer do. Why this should be is the issue we have to address if our national game is to improve.
Whoring ourselves out to anybody who is decent but not good enough for their own country is demeaning, and ultimately self-defeating.
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22-08-2010 07:33 AM #24
As other posters have said. Think Zidane, Giggs and, going back even further, Puskas and Di Stefano (who played for 3 different countries).
What I've always found interesting about this debate is that some people would apparently rather have someone play for Scotland who was born here, but has lived abroad all their lives, rather than someone who was born abroad, but had lived here all their lives.
I would say that living here for a number of years shows a greater affinity with the country and it's values than simply having the good fortune to have been born here. If Sauzee (had he been uncapped) or Zitelli had been picked for Scotland while playing for Hibs and talking about how much they loved living in Edinburgh, I wouldn't have had any complaints.
Arteta is an interesting one, as he spent a few years living in Scotland, although not as long as he's spent living in England. I think the decider in that sort of situation should be who the player wants to play for and, with Arteta, I can't see that being Scotland.
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22-08-2010 08:26 AM #25This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
This isn't [or at least shouldn't be] about "affinity" - this is about Nationhood and the gradual watering down of anything that constitutes such.
As Bob says, the problem here is why we aren't producing good enough players of our own. Lets address that instead of wishing Sauzee et al want to play for a country not their own. Sheesh!
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22-08-2010 08:27 AM #26
If a player considers a country his home, after a long period of settlement thier, I don't actually have an issue with it. If they feel passionate enough about that country to approach FIFA for clearance to play for them, then I would go as far to say they have every right not to be excluded in representing the country that they love. In my book, it is preferable to this rediculous system which allows players who've never set foot in a country to represent.
However, this whole Arteta thing doesn't seem to be anything more than a marriage of convenience, so for that reason, I wouldn't be able to support it.
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22-08-2010 08:37 AM #27
I think we just have to accept that International football has changed and make the most of the situation. Scotland have found it hard enough to compete, but if other countries are following this new rule, then it would be suicide not to do the same.
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22-08-2010 08:50 AM #28
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There is also the matter of integration. How many times do we hear about immigrants coming here and not integrating with Scottish/British society? If my parents had moved to NZ many years ago as my Dad wanted, would I still have been Scottish? Course I would. However all my formative years would have been in Kiwiland therefore probably considerd my self Kiwi. Still would not have played for the internationally though coz I was sheite
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22-08-2010 09:12 AM #29This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
For me, one's nationality isn't about what's on one's passport, it's about how one feels. Was Joe Baker really English? Is Alex Cropley? Is Richard Gough Swedish? What nationality are the Kurds, the Catalans, the Scots? What nationality is an Indian-origin family who have been here for 3 generations?
The world is shrinking. Like it or not, national identities are not as well-defined as they once were... and, I accept, there are good and bad things about that. The population of the world is more fluid than it has ever been, and football is merely reflecting that.
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