After watching The Football Years, about the major spending on wages, how much were Hibs paying our big names in that era?
Players like:
- Sauzee
- Latapy
- Zitelli
- John O'Neil (Sandy Clarke said it was a big offer for John that St J couldn't get close to)
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Thread: Player Wages
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31-07-2010 10:20 AM #1
Player Wages
Last edited by woodythehibee; 31-07-2010 at 10:22 AM.
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31-07-2010 10:24 AM #2This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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31-07-2010 10:38 AM #4This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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31-07-2010 11:27 AM #5
Dont know where this information came from but I believe that John O'Neil was on 3k basic & 3k appearance, possibly plus other bonuses (ie wins, goals etc).
Thought this was also why he didnt feature much towards the end of his time with Hibs - we were skint by then & whilst 3k for a guy to sit in the stand is bad, 6k was crippling the club.
Always liked John O'Neil. Crackin' wee player back in the day...
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31-07-2010 11:52 AM #6This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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31-07-2010 11:55 AM #7This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Good technique, and determined player. I'd love someone with that ability and grit in the squad now. I was also thinking back to Keith Wright, he's the last real big front man that I can remember. That's not to disrespect O'Connor whom I believe whilst a sizable chap, is not as physical a type of player.
Imagine a player of Keith's quality up front, he'd have pulled that defence around the park.
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31-07-2010 11:57 AM #8This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Tam Mcmanus not so great
Top wages were paid at that time and quickly racked up a debt half the size if our neighbours current shortfall.
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31-07-2010 12:04 PM #9This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Latapy would probably have been happy to stay at ER, a very laid back chap, unfortunately so laid back that McLeish lost patience with him and wanted him out the door. It wasn't about money.
The one that really bamboozled me was Lovell, an underestimated but effective player in the team (this was when we could go to teams like Reading etc and out-finance them for players), when Hibs started to review contracts etc we couldn't offer as a good a contract, however at the time I was told that Livingston offered him 3 x what we were prepared to. I know our wages were not as high, but I think a first team player would still have been on a grand or 2, for Livi to come in and offer 3x as much just boggles. No wonder they were in a mess.
It really got on my goat that they had a squad of experienced pro's (about to be unemployed) turned up and won the cup by default whilst we took the sensible financial approach and fielded youngsters. We lost, they won in front of their 5k fans (what's the point). Clubs in severe debt get away with murder whilst others lose out as they take responsibility.
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31-07-2010 12:09 PM #10This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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31-07-2010 12:30 PM #11This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Clubs who are in masses of debt should be forced to play players who fit into a wage structure they can afford, be that £10k a week or £10 a week, then they would find their natural place in the footballing wrld, not undeserved due to the cheating tactics they employ.
It really needs a 'big' team to go completely tits up for it to start the domino effect and I hope it happens soon.
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31-07-2010 12:31 PM #12
Was Lex Gold not chairman back then at the start of the SPL?
Im pretty sure he was one of the ones involved with the SPL TV deal before he eventually left us to become Chief Exec of the SPL itself.
It was because of the massive debts that RP was brought in. Looking back, the year in the 1st div prob stopped us spending even more and was actually quite an enjoyable season.
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31-07-2010 12:42 PM #13This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Both Gretna and Livi got there comeuppance though. Who knows where/how/when it will all end up at the PBS? Wages late again the other week.
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31-07-2010 12:43 PM #14
I remember Gary Smith signing a new deal with us and stating he stunned by the size of the pay cut he had to take
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31-07-2010 12:45 PM #15This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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31-07-2010 12:56 PM #16
It was a shame to see good pros like John O'Neil and Paul Fenwick treated like that towards the end of contracts both parties had signed in good faith.
Been thinking all day how much we miss someone with the substance of a John O'Neil, Uli Laursen or Franck Sauzee (from that team). Guys who stood up to be counted when the going got tough instead of hiding, who could back up that commitment with genuine football ability.
I think the squad at present has a lot of nice footballers and some good characters, but few that have both qualities.
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31-07-2010 07:22 PM #17This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Could be totally wrong though.
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31-07-2010 07:30 PM #18This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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31-07-2010 07:39 PM #19This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Cromb left in 1997.
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31-07-2010 07:44 PM #20This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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31-07-2010 07:46 PM #21
Although players like Frank and John O'Neil are missed the level of wages at that time was disproportionate to the turnover and size of club. Hibs are in much better shape now and The Tache has done well to steer us in that direction.
Most of the players were way overpaid in that era. Most teams have checked back and pulled in the purse strings. Scottish football still has a way to go before finding it's true level. Count ourselves lucky as for our near neighbours, the penny is dropping like a p*ssed elephant 5 years too late.
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31-07-2010 08:16 PM #22
Players wages
The story going about at the time was that latapy was offered £12,000
per week to sign a new contract then he blew it with the little escapade with dwight york
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31-07-2010 11:03 PM #23This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Whilst I'm sure the money was a factor, Archie was pushed out the door as much as he walked. He told me McLeish had massive issues with him, very unjust ones. The team were playing some great stuff and Lovell became a key member of that team, however McLeish was determined to bring him down for whatever reason.
A real shame as he proved, when he went to Livi, that he still had a good few years as an excellent central midfielder in him..
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01-08-2010 09:19 AM #24This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Obviously in extreme circumstances teams can cease to exist after blowing millions to win a cup, but there is an arguement that for instance if hearts were to go into administration after winning the scottish cup and ending up in a situation like livingston (getting relegated to 3rd div.), it could take a few years to recover and make it back to spl but give it 5 or so years and in the grand scheme of things they would still be an spl club with another scottish cup win in the history books.
although i am over the moon with the financial position with hibs (new stand, training centre etc) given the 2 options i would definately think about it!
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01-08-2010 09:26 AM #25This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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01-08-2010 05:33 PM #27This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
He was working to develop the SPL and Hibs did not make it into the inaugural SPL.
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01-08-2010 08:01 PM #28This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
One story (of many) that stuck out was the near faultless 0-3 game at Fir Park earlier that season. One of our best performances under McLeish and every player that day was awesome. Archie walks off the pitch as McLeish is congratulating all the players with smiles, high fives and praise, only for him to turn round to Stuart and give him a rollicking for a (rare) misplaced pass during the game!!
Anyway, all in the past, the Ginger Judas gave us some great times and a disappointing ending, with the loss of our talisman wee Russell (albeit he didn't help himself). Typical Hibs I guess, promise so much yet deliver so little.
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01-08-2010 08:23 PM #29
[QUOTE=renato;2531321]I vaguely recall that, good point if true but I think this may have been as a result of previous agro between the two.
One story (of many) that stuck out was the near faultless 0-3 game at Fir Park earlier that season. One of our best performances under McLeish and every player that day was awesome. Archie walks off the pitch as McLeish is congratulating all the players with smiles, high fives and praise, only for him to turn round to Stuart and give him a rollicking for a (rare) misplaced pass during the game!!
Anyway, all in the past, the Ginger Judas gave us some great times and a disappointing ending, with the loss of our talisman wee Russell (albeit he didn't help himself). Typical Hibs I guess, promise so much yet deliver so little
Apparently I was told from a source inside ER at the time that Mcleish wasnt all that popular with players and the reason behind Zitelli swift departure was that manager and player were 'doing' the same bird. Mcleish didnt like Zitelli cutting his grass and Zitelli refused to step aside as Mcleish was/is married.
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01-08-2010 08:37 PM #30This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
According to newspapers (and my good memory):
Sauzee was on £3k from 99 to 01 an then he signed a £6k contract for 2001 to 2003.
Not sure about Latapy, but as he signed his only contract while in the first Division, I would think £3k.
I think Zitelli was on around £6k, that's why Sauzee was pushing quite rightly for a big wage rise.
O'Neill was apparently on a guaranteed £2k plus bonuses including £3k per game. This is the reason we stopped playing him in 2002/03 - basically we couldn't afford to pay him £5k a week when he wasn't really very good after Sauzee and the other best players left.
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