This is on tonight at 9 on BBC2. Anybody seen this, and if so is it any good ? I thought Michael Sheen was brilliant in Frost/Nixon so I will tune in to see his performance anyway.
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Thread: The Damned United
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18-07-2010 07:26 PM #1
The Damned United
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18-07-2010 07:29 PM #2
If it is half as good as the book it will be worth watching.
Every gimmick hungry yob,
Digging gold from rock and roll
Grabs the mic to tell us,
He'll die before he's sold.
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19-07-2010 09:13 AM #6
Good watch.
A lot of the events are fictionalised or exagerated, the author of the book eventually admitted as much and various people involved or related to the film have said as much but a decent film nonethless.
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19-07-2010 09:23 AM #7This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
A different feel to it from the original book but that was inevitable given how much of the book went on in the the fictional Clough's head. The film may be rather closer to the truth than the book was. The actual TV clash with Revie depicted at the end is worth trying to find on YouTube as it is absolutely riveting stuff. There is no way that todays bland talking heads would take part in anything like it.
I am pretty sure Stu in Nottingham posted a link to it several months ago so it does exist.Every gimmick hungry yob,
Digging gold from rock and roll
Grabs the mic to tell us,
He'll die before he's sold.
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19-07-2010 01:08 PM #8This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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19-07-2010 01:09 PM #9This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Dave Mackay was thinking about finishing his career with them before Clough took him to Derby.
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19-07-2010 02:35 PM #10
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I thought it was fantastic, quite funny at times too, Cloughie was certainly a larger than life character & sadly that is what seems to be missing from football these days, guys with a driven passion for the game & certainly not frightened to speak their minds ..way too many cardbord cut oot/prima donna style managers these days ...
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22-07-2010 07:16 AM #14
finally got round to watching this as i recorded it the other night.
as a youngster i wasnt around during the 60's & 70's so never knew much about the whole clough era but i really enjoyed it.
funny to see how far the game has come since then with regards to pitches and how more physical the game used to be!
leeds were a dirty dirty team by the looks of it!
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22-07-2010 09:08 AM #15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxsRt2yG8Es
Dynamite.
Clough and Revie HATED each other.Last edited by lyonhibs; 22-07-2010 at 09:10 AM.
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23-07-2010 10:16 AM #16
The below was my take on The Damned United after seeing it at the cinema when it was on release. I tried to measure it against what my perceptions were of the truth, seeing most of Clough and Taylor's managerial career unfold at very close quarters and latterly in speaking to Provided You Don't Kiss Me author, Duncan Hamilton. I must at this point recommend this intimate account of Clough by the former Nottingham Evening Post journalist as one really couldn't read anything else out there that get's as remotely close to the truth about Brian's life and times.
The film didn't alter my view on Clough in any way - that he was a complete managerial genius, albeit a somewhat flawed one. I was very happy to see that Peter Taylor, as portrayed by Timothy Spall received credit for his huge and influential part in the Clough story. People that know at close hand how Clough operated understand that Brian would never have achieved the same level of success without his wily and shrewd partner.
The Damned United
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23-07-2010 10:46 AM #17
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There's no "I" in team as they say ...never a truer word spoken with this being the prime example...
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23-07-2010 11:58 AM #18This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
By most people's reckoning, the Clough-Taylor partnership was of a good cop-bad cop nature. Brian would sometimes (but not always) fiercely lace into players in a withering way. Taylor would step in afterwards and build the player up again. That's over-simplifying it though as it was undoubtedly a very complex relationship. Taylor was additionally a very humorous man but I never saw this come over in the media at any much time.
His huge strong point was in scouting for new players - nobody could spot the real thing like Peter Taylor. often these players would be unlikely-looking signings, players with personal off-the-pitch problems, players with a career in the doldrums through disciplinary or lifestyle issues.
Conversely, I knew a guy that grew up and went through schooldays in the Meadows district of Nottingham with Peter Taylor,( for he was a local man). He always claimed that he 'wouldn't trust Taylor as far as he could throw him'! I wouldn't know about that but I certainly know he held his own alongside Clough for a long, long time. There's not many individuals that could do that!
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