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28-06-2010 04:01 PM #1
Chris Waddle raging
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28-06-2010 04:11 PM #2This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It's always somebody's fault, they just can't admit that they are an average team nowadays, nothing more nothing less
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28-06-2010 04:17 PM #3
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28-06-2010 04:26 PM #4This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L48h60pKfbg
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28-06-2010 05:12 PM #5
to be fair to chris waddle and a few others, he did identify the problem: not overpaid players, not a foreign coach, not an English coach, not refereeing incompetence (that got them their only international title, after all), not the henry V speech...it's the fact that 11-year-old kids are playing 11-a-sides on full size pitches, rewarding brawn over brains, kick-and-rush over passing and filtering the skilful players out of the system (through boredom and perceived failure).
What I don't understand is why the FA cannot change this immediately (not that I want them to although my own boy is suffering this crap).
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28-06-2010 05:25 PM #6
Chris Waddle is one of the best pundits on radio or tv because he simply has a love of the game and wants to see it played properly. He's not the only one that has identified the problem that affects the whole of British football but the position he is in allows him to highlight it to a large number of people.
Our very own JC has been banging on about the exact same thing in Scotland since he came back into the game, its these sort of guys that should be running the game not the suits that simply care about their next jolly abroad.
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28-06-2010 05:34 PM #7
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Hear hear
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28-06-2010 06:06 PM #8This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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29-06-2010 11:44 AM #12
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As mentioned below, we have FINALLY started implementing a sensible coaching structure here in Scotland at age levels so credit where it's due.
But the rest of the world has moved on apace over the years while Scotland has stood still in terms of coaching and gone backwards in terms of skill levels - so much more remains to be done even just to bring Scotland back to the level it was at 2 or 3 decades ago!
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29-06-2010 11:55 AM #13This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I'm not so sure about PollyGwen and Collins. Polly's Cameroon team didn't do awfully well in South Africa IIRC. So not awfully well he got the old heave-ho.
Collins may be maturing and mellowing with experience. I hope so, because I don't think there's anything wrong with his ideas. I wouldn't consider him one of our 'top bods' yet, though.
But your point about modern training and coaching methods is entirely valid - too many teams and too many SFA officials simply uninterested in acting effectively to raise standards.
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29-06-2010 12:13 PM #15
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29-06-2010 03:29 PM #16
The thing is though, that up to about 25 years ago, we produced real quality players. So many, that boys getting regular starts in what was the English First Division, still did not get a pick for Scotland. No fan of Anal Hansen, was he was a fantastic defender but still did not get a whole lot of caps. So good or bad, we used to produce players with our antiquated methods. Not want to hijack this thread, but IMHO, you can pin-point our current malaise back to the day that Souness took over at Ibrox and they stopped working with coaches and notebooks and went for agents and chequebooks.
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29-06-2010 03:35 PM #17
I like Waddle. He's not the brightest, but has no conceit and is passionate about the game. He's also completely right in the things he's been saying since the World Cup 'ended'.
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29-06-2010 10:21 PM #18This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Blaming football administrators is as easy as blaming referees because they seldom exercise the right of reply and are seen as arrogant tossers by players, media and fans alike.
I agree that the bar has been raised in terms of professionalism and that a significant number of footballers in this country have not risen to the challenge; however there is a multi-million pound industry to be protected here and that involves the vested interests of players, agents, clubs and all sections of the media.
These people are making a great deal of money out of the rotting corpse that is professional football in this country and anyone with any ideas about changing that arrangement better be ready for a backlash.
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30-06-2010 08:30 AM #19This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Its no surprise that the south americans do well as they organise thier season in world cup year around it and not prepare at the last minute like the english(british)do.The germans saw these problems ten years ago and are now seeing the benefits especially with this team having a few under 21s in it and i would think they have a good team for the next two world cups especially for the 2018 one if it is in england.Of the current england team only cole gerrard and rooney when he is fit are anywhere near world class and the quicker the english realise this then they might improve.Most if not nearly all of this summer signings will be foreign so it will only get worse in the premier league.Shame isnt it.
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30-06-2010 09:36 AM #20This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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30-06-2010 09:52 AM #21
Bagged himself a contract at Falkirk.
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30-06-2010 10:43 AM #23
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Correct. I've been at games where my son's team are on the end of a right royal humping but the opposition coach rather than play some of his fringe players later in the match will still go for the jugular with a "win at all costs"Last edited by hfc1875x; 30-06-2010 at 10:50 AM.
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30-06-2010 10:49 AM #24This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Just think on these facts:
-Until two years ago, only the Old Firm owned their own traiing complex. Hearts had to compete with HWU volleyball 3rds practice and Hibs trained on public pitches, in winter. And these were our top teams?
- Until 5/6 years ago (in West Lothian at any rate) primary schools played inter school competitive 11-a-side games for as young as P5's. How the coaches beamed with pride when the 15th goal flew over 4'6" Johnnys head in the 8' high goal.
- Until last season, West Lothian had one 3g football pitch, which would cost youth or amateur teams £80 a bounce to play on at council owned Almondvale. Thankfully there are another two constructed now.
This is why we're behind.
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30-06-2010 11:05 AM #25
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**** it, lets let the boys run around in the winter on a pitch that resembles the somme with there wee hands turning blue and tears in there eyes. Its character building. SFA are a shower eh ******s that havent got a ****ing clue.
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30-06-2010 11:43 AM #26
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We as fans have to take a good chunk of the blame too. The vast majority of Scottish football fans (and no doubt english ones too) are uneducated about football.
There was a period last night where Spain had the ball on the wing, and basically in order to keep posession it ended up away back at the goalie.
My Dad turned to me and pointed out that Hibs fans would have gone bananas at Easter Road if Hibs players did that. Indeed, i lost count of the number of Hibs fans who moan and groan when the ball isnt thrown forward quickly.
We might say the right things on a message board, but in the heat of the moment, we revert to type and start screaming for blood and guts football.
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30-06-2010 01:58 PM #28
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What age group ?
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30-06-2010 02:20 PM #30
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This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteCorrect. I've been at games where my son's team are on the end of a right royal humping but the opposition coach rather than play some of his fringe players later in the match will still go for the jugular with a "win at all costs"
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