British hooligans ????

[qiut]

Its started.

Wonder how many Hoolies in kilts or with welch or Irish accebts we will see/hear rampaging round SA.

Same old...same old...if its good its English, if its bad its British codswallop.


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...igan-invasion/


http://business.maktoob.com/20090000...ai/Article.htm

[marinello59]

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Its started.

Wonder how many Hoolies in kilts or with welch or Irish accebts we will see/hear rampaging round SA.

Same old...same old...if its good its English, if its bad its British codswallop.


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...igan-invasion/


http://business.maktoob.com/20090000...ai/Article.htm

Are we Scots the most over sensitive souls on the planet? The article makes clear that it refers to followers of England and they do happen to be British. Nothing worth getting worked up over really is it?

[H18sry]

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Are we Scots the most over sensitive souls on the planet? The article makes clear that it refers to followers of England and they do happen to be British. Nothing worth getting worked up over really is it?

Pot and kettle perhaps the yam fuds and us are all from Edinburgh if they run amok on there European trip to Millwall and the papers refer to it as Edinburgh Hooligans would you be happy to be tarred by the same brush as them?

[marinello59]

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Pot and kettle perhaps the yam fuds and us are all from Edinburgh if they run amok on there European trip to Millwall and the papers refer to it as Edinburgh Hooligans would you be happy to be tarred by the same brush as them?

IF that happened then wouldn't any articles also make clear that they were following Hearts? When the Huns ripped up Manchester they were described as Scottish/Glasgow hooligans by various papers. Was anybody in any doubt that it was Rangers supporters responsible?

Any way, I don't care if they get called Edinburgh hooligans, I live in Aberdeen.

[JohnScott]

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Are we Scots the most over sensitive souls on the planet? The article makes clear that it refers to followers of England and they do happen to be British. Nothing worth getting worked up over really is it?

Having lived in England for 20 of my 50years I have to say I've not met any Englishmen that know the difference between England/British. To them it means the same thing. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard phrases like "The English Army/Navy". Or indeed calling the UK England (as do the Yanks)

The sad thing is it's not done out of arrogance, it's pure and simple ignorance of their own history. I normally just smile and point out their mistake. As marinello says it's not worth getting worked up about. If your proud to be British and will be supporting England what are you bothered about. If like me your proud to be Scots, what's the fuss about? I work beside 16 English blokes who are well aware I don't want them to win the world cup. They honestly can't understand why but they accept it. If you hear the rubbish they talk about scottish football............well enuff said!

Viva Espana I say

As a footnote: We were sitting at break talking about the World Cup, when one of my English workmates say's "it must be difficult for mediocre teams like Scotland to qualify for the World Cup now there are so many Eastern European teams in the qualifiers."
The room went quiet and all eyes turned to me, waiting for a reaction. Did you say "mediocre?"
Embarrassed he spluttered "No! I meant middle-ranking"
Although the room fell into fits of laughter I couldn't help wonder if his gaff had been a Freudian slip..

[hibeedonald]

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Having lived in England for 20 of my 50years I have to say I've not met any Englishmen that know the difference between England/British. To them it means the same thing. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard phrases like "The English Army/Navy". Or indeed calling the UK England (as do the Yanks)

The sad thing is it's not done out of arrogance, it's pure and simple ignorance of their own history. I normally just smile and point out their mistake. As marinello says it's not worth getting worked up about. If your proud to be British and will be supporting England what are you bothered about. If like me your proud to be Scots, what's the fuss about? I work beside 16 English blokes who are well aware I don't want them to win the world cup. They honestly can't understand why but they accept it. If you hear the rubbish they talk about scottish football............well enuff said!

Viva Espana I say

As a footnote: We were sitting at break talking about the World Cup, when one of my English workmates say's "it must be difficult for mediocre teams like Scotland to qualify for the World Cup now there are so many Eastern European teams in the qualifiers."
The room went quiet and all eyes turned to me, waiting for a reaction. Did you say "mediocre?"
Embarrassed he spluttered "No! I meant middle-ranking"
Although the room fell into fits of laughter I couldn't help wonder if his gaff had been a Freudian slip..

my mate used to live in south africa, he says people don't realise how bad it actually is, he also thinks any england fans who go to cause trouble are likely to end up dead. walking to the shop, hees had a gun pointed at him, and had to hand is mobile phone over. This was so normal most people in the street didnt react, the other guy jogged off and that was that, and he was 14 at the time.

[Jones28]

I think a lot of English supporters are going to be shocked by the hard reality of SA.
Having been 6 times, I still never get over taxi drivers with baseball bats or (in one case) a sawn-off shotgun sliding from under his seat when braking at a set of lights.

Hooligans who cause trouble for South African people WILL end up in a lot of pain or dead

[Phil D. Rolls]

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As a footnote: We were sitting at break talking about the World Cup, when one of my English workmates say's "it must be difficult for mediocre teams like Scotland to qualify for the World Cup now there are so many Eastern European teams in the qualifiers."
The room went quiet and all eyes turned to me, waiting for a reaction. Did you say "mediocre?"
Embarrassed he spluttered "No! I meant middle-ranking"
Although the room fell into fits of laughter I couldn't help wonder if his gaff had been a Freudian slip..

We can only aspire to mediocrity. Am I right in saying though, that England have been in fewer finals than any of the other big boys (Germany, Italy, Spain, France). And that a mediocre (sorry medium sized) nation like Holland has also achieved more.

When it comes to mediocrity, England wrote the book.

[Spike Mandela]

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Are we Scots the most over sensitive souls on the planet? The article makes clear that it refers to followers of England and they do happen to be British. Nothing worth getting worked up over really is it?

Yes you are correct but it's a matter of attention to detail in the headline.

Following your logic they could have been called European hooligans or World hooligans or indeed Earth based hooligans and all would technically have been correct. However the accurate headline should have said ENGLISH hooligans.

We are not being sensitive. It is either lazy or ignorant journalism.

[marinello59]

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Yes you are correct but it's a matter of attention to detail in the headline.

Following your logic they could have been called European hooligans or World hooligans or indeed Earth based hooligans and all would technically have been correct. However the accurate headline should have said ENGLISH hooligans.

We are not being sensitive. It is either lazy or ignorant journalism.

So are we only Scots when we are happy with the media reporting of events but become British when we are outraged?

[Spike Mandela]

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So are we only Scots when we are happy with the media reporting of events but become British when we are outraged?

I am Scottish but can also be described as British, European, Global and indeed an Earthling.

Thankfully in no way can I be described as English unless it's the Daily Star of course!!

[weecounty hibby]

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I am Scottish but can also be described as British, European, Global and indeed an Earthling.

Thankfully in no way can I be described as English unless it's the Daily Star of course!!

Really???

[Spike Mandela]

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Really???

Forgot you were a Star Wars fan.

[Mixu62]

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I think a lot of English supporters are going to be shocked by the hard reality of SA.
Having been 6 times, I still never get over taxi drivers with baseball bats or (in one case) a sawn-off shotgun sliding from under his seat when braking at a set of lights.

Hooligans who cause trouble for South African people WILL end up in a lot of pain or dead

Indeed. I haven't been but there's plenty of Saff's in Auckland and I'm led to believe the cops do not muck about there. They've handled riots involving thousands of impoverished angry people so I hardly think a couple of hundred bone-heads from Essex are going to worry them much. It'll just be a nice but of target practice for them.

[Wembley67]

when did english fans last cause serious trouble abroad??

[Sandy]

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So are we only Scots when we are happy with the media reporting of events but become British when we are outraged?

Nope mate, I will only ever be a Scot, even if I pulled a uniform back on, I would be a Scot in the British Army/Navy, call it Parochial if you want, I call it PRIDE.

[marinello59]

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Nope mate, I will only ever be a Scot, even if I pulled a uniform back on, I would be a Scot in the British Army/Navy, call it Parochial if you want, I call it PRIDE.

My point being ,(with tongue firmly in cheek ), that hooligans being described as British shouldn't upset the many Scots who share your sense of identity and wouldn't ever describe themselves as British.

[Sandy]

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My point being ,(with tongue firmly in cheek ), that hooligans being described as British shouldn't upset the many Scots who share your sense of identity and wouldn't ever describe themselves as British.

Get lost ya old pedant I missed your point completely

[LancashireHibby]

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when did english fans last cause serious trouble abroad??

Think the question is more "on another continent" rather than merely abroad - situation will be the same as Japan & Korea in 2002, ie no trouble whatsoever...it's far too far to travel (and far too expensive) just for a tear up.

[Posh Swanny]

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Think the question is more "on another continent" rather than merely abroad - situation will be the same as Japan & Korea in 2002, ie no trouble whatsoever...it's far too far to travel (and far too expensive) just for a tear up.

Indeed.

It'll kick off big time in Weston Super Mare, Swindon and Hitchin though.

[LancashireHibby]

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Indeed.

It'll kick off big time in Weston Super Mare, Swindon and Hitchin though.

No doubt at all, but it'll just be your usual 'Saturday night drunks' type of trouble rather than organised hooliganism.

[Scouse Hibee]

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Its started.

Wonder how many Hoolies in kilts or with welch or Irish accebts we will see/hear rampaging round SA.

Same old...same old...if its good its English, if its bad its British codswallop.


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...igan-invasion/


http://business.maktoob.com/20090000...ai/Article.htm

Awwww here we go again, change the record Jock!

[Hainan Hibs]

English football hooligans vs South African riot police?

All we need is Michael Buffer with his "Let's get ready to rumble" catchphrase, some popcorn, a big tv and a large sofa to sit back on to enjoy the show

[H18sry]

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when did english fans last cause serious trouble abroad??

Last year 12th Aug in Amsterdam http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10248223.stm

[hibbill2002]

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Its started.

Wonder how many Hoolies in kilts or with welch or Irish accebts we will see/hear rampaging round SA.

Same old...same old...if its good its English, if its bad its British codswallop.


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...igan-invasion/


http://business.maktoob.com/20090000...ai/Article.htm

That'll no happen on account of us being banned after the last time Scotland made a finals. On that occasion fans wrecked the ferry, apparently pulling down all the sails and chucking the cannons over the side.

[Richard Scott]

[Hibernia Na Eir]

should only bother the folk that consider themselves "British".

i dont. So doesnt worry me!

[Hibs On Tour]

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Having lived in England for 20 of my 50years I have to say I've not met any Englishmen that know the difference between England/British. To them it means the same thing. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard phrases like "The English Army/Navy". Or indeed calling the UK England (as do the Yanks)

The sad thing is it's not done out of arrogance, it's pure and simple ignorance of their own history. I normally just smile and point out their mistake. As marinello says it's not worth getting worked up about. If your proud to be British and will be supporting England what are you bothered about. If like me your proud to be Scots, what's the fuss about? I work beside 16 English blokes who are well aware I don't want them to win the world cup. They honestly can't understand why but they accept it. If you hear the rubbish they talk about scottish football............well enuff said!

Viva Espana I say

As a footnote: We were sitting at break talking about the World Cup, when one of my English workmates say's "it must be difficult for mediocre teams like Scotland to qualify for the World Cup now there are so many Eastern European teams in the qualifiers."
The room went quiet and all eyes turned to me, waiting for a reaction. Did you say "mediocre?"
Embarrassed he spluttered "No! I meant middle-ranking"
Although the room fell into fits of laughter I couldn't help wonder if his gaff had been a Freudian slip..

Having regularly visited England for lengthy spells since... well since I was born as my father is English, I can honestly say that the number of English who think Britain = England alone is miniscule. You must have run into a particularly high concentration of ********s but its a LONG way from being representative of England as a whole.

Although it *IS* changing gradually, England has in general been very supportive of Scotland whenever we have been playing anyone from outside the British Isles. Have been in the boozer many many times with the whole pub cheering us on against AN Other. That's not to say there aren't 'sweaty' jokes and banter - of course there is! But, on the other hand I can count on no fingers of no hands how many times this has happened in my experience up here. Remember getting pulled up in the Haymarket for cheering England on v Argentina [Owen goal game] until I pointed out the flaw in the daftie's argument ["you ****ing English?" to be met with "you ****ing Argentinian? We were at war with this lot 10 years ago ya muppet!"]

However, that *IS* gradually changing. Less English are supporting Scotland and more are becoming anti-Scots, IMO because they are catching drift [not before time] of the way we have been to them for so long. SNP taking over at Holyrood hasn't helped that perception naturally. Personally I find it a sad thing that its going that way and would far rather have had it that we had become less parochial and started cheering for them when not playing us. When we play them however, obviously there's only one team in it! Even if we *are* mediocre!

Anyhoo, opinions eh?

[Sas_The_Hibby]

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Last year 12th Aug in Amsterdam http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10248223.stm

Except nowhere does the report say whether English fans caused the trouble or were, indeed, involved. Though I accept it doesn't prove anything, 40 fans were arrested, most of them Dutch, and some Dutch media outlets suggested the trouble was actually between rival fans of different Dutch clubs.

One report here http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archive...s_arrested.php

Now, I am no way claiming England fans are never involved in trouble (! ) but it's easy to jump to conclusions as you appear to have done. If you follow the international media you will find that generally there is now more football related trouble in France or Italy than in England (though probably not usually connected with their national teams tbh).

[Jim44]

Slightly off topic , but loosely related, a friend of mine was on the phone ordering something from a company in Bristol last week. The guy on the end of the line asked where he was calling from. When he said 'Scotland' the guy asked, 'Where's that?'.