Goalkeepers again!

[Bayern Bru]

Just some stats for consideration regarding our keepers this season.

Yves Ma-Kalambay: Played 7, conceded 7.
5 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat (all competitions).

Graeme Smith: Played 14, conceded 27.
5 wins, 3 draws and 6 defeats (all competitions).

Graham Stack: Played 22, conceded 29.
7 wins, 6 draws and 9 defeats (all competitions).

All of them were in goal when Hibs had a relatively good run of form. I honestly think Hibs have suffered by not being able to stick to a regular keeper. I understand injuries etc., but IMO you can't just drop a keeper after he lets in 4 goals which is what happened with Maka. Too much chopping and changing disturbs the balance of the team, and how many have we won since we dropped Maka? I'm not saying it's entirely the goalkeeper's fault, but how many times have we been fuming after a match because of a goalkeeping error by Smith or Stack? I have no idea who's staying and who's going (and I'm still questioning the 'Goalkeeping school' idea) but whoever stays, there needs to be a discernible first choice keeper, and a backup.

[Aubenas]

[The Sea-gull]

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Just some stats for consideration regarding our keepers this season.

Yves Ma-Kalambay: Played 7, conceded 7.
5 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat (all competitions).

Graeme Smith: Played 14, conceded 27.
5 wins, 3 draws and 6 defeats (all competitions).

Graham Stack: Played 22, conceded 29.
7 wins, 6 draws and 9 defeats (all competitions).

All of them were in goal when Hibs had a relatively good run of form. I honestly think Hibs have suffered by not being able to stick to a regular keeper. I understand injuries etc., but IMO you can't just drop a keeper after he lets in 4 goals which is what happened with Maka. Too much chopping and changing disturbs the balance of the team, and how many have we won since we dropped Maka? I'm not saying it's entirely the goalkeeper's fault, but how many times have we been fuming after a match because of a goalkeeping error by Smith or Stack? I have no idea who's staying and who's going (and I'm still questioning the 'Goalkeeping school' idea) but whoever stays, there needs to be a discernible first choice keeper, and a backup.

Agree with what you are saying but I don't think Maka was just dropped for conceding 4 goals. He has quite a bit of previous.

[Bayern Bru]

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Agree with what you are saying but I don't think Maka was just dropped for conceding 4 goals. He has quite a bit of previous.

Undoubtedly, but if Maka had previous why wasn't he dropped before the Rangers game? Was the Rangers game the final nail in his coffin? Surely that's not the way to approach these dilemmas. Pretty sure the Dundee Utd keeper wasn't dropped after letting in 7 against Rangers and he seems to have bounced back. (leaving aside the issue of 'previous' in this case).
Both Stack and Smith have shipped at least 4 goals each on at least one occasion, and it could be argued that they've got previous as well but there's just too much chopping and changing. We should be able to turn up for games and be at least 80% sure of who the keeper is going to be, but we're not.

There's just no consistency regarding why goalkeepers are dropped, and everyone says that you need to build a team from the back. We've been inconsistent and fragile at the back since Maka being axed, and I don't think it's coincidence.

[M11BMO]

I think it's fair to say we could take Van Der Sar or Buffon to Easter Road and turn them into nervous wrecks...

[Archie70]

[QUOTE=Leitrim Hibee;2456163]Just some stats for consideration regarding our keepers this season.

Yves Ma-Kalambay: Played 7, conceded 7.
5 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat (all competitions).

Graeme Smith: Played 14, conceded 27.
5 wins, 3 draws and 6 defeats (all competitions).

Graham Stack: Played 22, conceded 29.
7 wins, 6 draws and 9 defeats (all competitions).

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So games to goals ratio its

Maka 1 per game,
Smith 1.92 per game,
Stack 1.3 per game


Points per game its

Maka 2.2
Smith 1.2
Stack 1.2

I think that's right!
Any idea how they fare when it comes to shut outs?

[Bayern Bru]

Clean sheets

Stack: 7 clean sheets
Smith: 1 clean sheet
Maka: 3 clean sheets.

So Maka kept a clean sheet in 3 out of the 7 games he played for Hibs, which included 5 wins and only 1 loss.

Smith has 1 clean sheet from 14 games including 5 wins and 6 losses.

Stack has 7 clean sheets from 22 games including 7 wins and 9 losses.

[The_Sauz]

Smith lost 11 goals in 2 games (5 v St Johnstone 6 v Motherwell)
The only Gk to have lost more in one game is Jim Leighton 7 v Rangers

[Archie70]

To sum up

Yves Ma-Kalambay: Played 7, conceded 7.
5 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat (all competitions).

Graeme Smith: Played 14, conceded 27.
5 wins, 3 draws and 6 defeats (all competitions).

Graham Stack: Played 22, conceded 29.
7 wins, 6 draws and 9 defeats (all competitions).


Games to goals ratio

Maka 1 per game,
Smith 1.92 per game,
Stack 1.3 per game


Points per game

Maka 2.2
Smith 1.2
Stack 1.2

Shut outs per game

Maka: 1 clean sheet every 2.3 games
Smith: 1 clean sheet every 14 games
Stack: 1 clean sheet every 3.1 games


Lies, damn lies and statistics aside. There really only looks one obvious choice for the number 1 shirt. However, despite being the youngest, least experienced, with the best stats I think he'll be the one shown the door in the summer.
Why? because he's the one Yogi never signed!
If you think back to our last derby game last season, when they lumped high balls in he was outstanding and constantly took the pressure off. He the only one that's capable off claiming high balls instead of leaving our vertically challenged central defence to deal with it. However as Hughes stated he doesn't communicate as well with Bamba so he was dropped! Surely something that could be ironed out in training.

[Hibby 2005]

Unfortunately for Maka, the Rangers game where we conceded 4 goals was a pivotal match and was, IMO, the start of the decline. Had we gained anything from that game I'm sure we'd have continued in good form. Maka was at fault for the crucial 3rd goal and possibly others but then Smith's display last night puts it into perspective.

[Andy74]

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To sum up

Yves Ma-Kalambay: Played 7, conceded 7.
5 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat (all competitions).

Graeme Smith: Played 14, conceded 27.
5 wins, 3 draws and 6 defeats (all competitions).

Graham Stack: Played 22, conceded 29.
7 wins, 6 draws and 9 defeats (all competitions).


Games to goals ratio

Maka 1 per game,
Smith 1.92 per game,
Stack 1.3 per game


Points per game

Maka 2.2
Smith 1.2
Stack 1.2

Shut outs per game

Maka: 1 clean sheet every 2.3 games
Smith: 1 clean sheet every 14 games
Stack: 1 clean sheet every 3.1 games


Lies, damn lies and statistics aside. There really only looks one obvious choice for the number 1 shirt. However, despite being the youngest, least experienced, with the best stats I think he'll be the one shown the door in the summer.
Why? because he's the one Yogi never signed!
If you think back to our last derby game last season, when they lumped high balls in he was outstanding and constantly took the pressure off. He the only one that's capable off claiming high balls instead of leaving our vertically challenged central defence to deal with it. However as Hughes stated he doesn't communicate as well with Bamba so he was dropped! Surely something that could be ironed out in training.

There was a simialr thread recently but i'm afraid the stats don't really show the real story with Maka.

When Hibs are playing well he is likely to go and chuck one in and turn things around. The other keepers have all looked a bit more solid until recently with Smith!

Mak has been like that for about 3 years now though, brilliant one week shocking the next, I think hughes is looking fior that 7 out of 10 most weeks.

We will all accept the odd howler, particualry when under the cosh but not just really daft mistakes out of nothing every couple of weeks which is Maka's problem.

That said until Stack and Brown are fit I'd have Maka in on saturday and pray it's his good week.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Mark Brown has not let in any goals since he signed for us......

[Gettin' Auld]

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I think it's fair to say we could take Van Der Sar or Buffon to Easter Road and turn them into nervous wrecks...

We've had quite a few buffoons in goals.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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To sum up

Yves Ma-Kalambay: Played 7, conceded 7.
5 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat (all competitions).

Graeme Smith: Played 14, conceded 27.
5 wins, 3 draws and 6 defeats (all competitions).

Graham Stack: Played 22, conceded 29.
7 wins, 6 draws and 9 defeats (all competitions).


Games to goals ratio

Maka 1 per game,
Smith 1.92 per game,
Stack 1.3 per game


Points per game

Maka 2.2
Smith 1.2
Stack 1.2

Shut outs per game

Maka: 1 clean sheet every 2.3 games
Smith: 1 clean sheet every 14 games
Stack: 1 clean sheet every 3.1 games


Lies, damn lies and statistics aside. There really only looks one obvious choice for the number 1 shirt. However, despite being the youngest, least experienced, with the best stats I think he'll be the one shown the door in the summer.
Why? because he's the one Yogi never signed!
If you think back to our last derby game last season, when they lumped high balls in he was outstanding and constantly took the pressure off. He the only one that's capable off claiming high balls instead of leaving our vertically challenged central defence to deal with it. However as Hughes stated he doesn't communicate as well with Bamba so he was dropped! Surely something that could be ironed out in training.

One vital stat missing here - errors made. Can someone get them? I'll start with Stack - the one at Tiny when he let it hit the post - that's his only mistake.

Maka next?

[Dunkin' Donut]

save the facts for another day, bottom line is maka has been slaughtered for a lot less than what smith done last night. none of our keepers are exactly covering themselves in glory in a bid to make the no.1 shirt theirs for next season.

[Shaggy]

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Mark Brown has not let in any goals since he signed for us......

I agree, hes a sensational sucess and yogis best signing !!!

[TornadoHibby]

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One vital stat missing here - errors made. Can someone get them? I'll start with Stack - the one at Tiny when he let it hit the post - that's his only mistake.


Amazing the power of selective recall!

Maka next?

Pointless even responding in support of Maka despite all the evidence as the Hibs equivalent of the "you only need to sh*g a sheep once" theory has already damned him to the Summer exit door I suspect!

Two or three years ago it was possible to enjoy the sometimes healthy debate that was often evident on here! Now everything on here seems to be focussed on the "blame culture" theory and one player or other, sometimes, like Maka, the same one for weeks on end, is continually "blamed", whether accurately or indeed justifiably IMO, until he gets punted as his "blamers" are seeking!

I now generally only read here now for "heads ups" on information as they arise and now tend not to get involved in some of the serious pettiness that has unfortunately crept in and become more common rather than not!

I believe that others like me have done the same and that is indeed unfortunate for the benefit of the board IMO although doubtless there will be some that disagree!

[Arch Stanton]

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One vital stat missing here - errors made. Can someone get them? I'll start with Stack - the one at Tiny when he let it hit the post - that's his only mistake.

Maka next?

Yep - Maka should have learned a lesson from Stack and stayed on his line whatever the situation. The team may have lost more goals but hey, better that than making a goalkeeping error.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Yep - Maka should have learned a lesson from Stack and stayed on his line whatever the situation. The team may have lost more goals but hey, better that than making a goalkeeping error.

When Stack was in goals we had the best defensive record in the UK. Maybe not making many mistakes is the way forward?

[hibees_forever]

Fair enough the keepers have been pretty poor but they cant take all the blame.

Our defence is useless. Chris Hogg should never play for hibs again. He cant even get the basics right. On the evidence of Wednesday night, Thico can get tae aswell as far as im concerned. The 2 of them are total garbage.
And how Chris Hogg can walk out with that armband is beyond me.

How can you expect our keepers to be confident when they have no confidence in the guys playing in front of them.

Every hibs fan could see in January that we had to sign a right back, a centre half, and a hardy central midfielder. We signed none of that and decided to sign 2 goalkeepers and an outside left..... Where is the logic behind that?

Its just a total shambles

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

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When Stack was in goals we had the best defensive record in the UK. Maybe not making many mistakes is the way forward?

We had the best record when Maka was in goals!! However, Yogi told my old man in Dec that he cant wait to get rid of Maka as, quote "Lovely big laddie but jst not got it".....Shame his signing Smith clearly doesnt have it either!!!

[GreenPJ]

We have two keepers who don't particularly like coming off their line (Stack and Smith) but at the same time we are very weak at both LB and RB (I include LB as I think Murray is really struggling just now and has been for 2/3 months).
We have CH's that are either young, maverick's or not tall/good enough.

We play 3 in midfield who are all central midfielders and have no width.

We have forward players who don't always defend enough from the front.

Every team we play against knows this and every team we play against targets our flanks to whip in cross balls.

With weaknesses in defence and keepers who don't want to confidently come off their line no wonder we are conceeding so many goals.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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We had the best record when Maka was in goals!!

Stack played the majority of the games - all through the unbeaten run, until he got injured at HT in the Falkirk (?) game.

[Ritchie]

i never ever thought id say this but.... BRING BACK MAKA!!!

[strangler]

Never mind the goalies, if Bamba had been playing on wed we would've been 2pts clear of Well. Is he defo back for Sunday?

[mim]

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We have two keepers who don't particularly like coming off their line (Stack and Smith) but at the same time we are very weak at both LB and RB (I include LB as I think Murray is really struggling just now and has been for 2/3 months).
We have CH's that are either young, maverick's or not tall/good enough.

We play 3 in midfield who are all central midfielders and have no width.

We have forward players who don't always defend enough from the front.

Every team we play against knows this and every team we play against targets our flanks to whip in cross balls.

With weaknesses in defence and keepers who don't want to confidently come off their line no wonder we are conceeding so many goals.

That sums up our problem rather well.

[IberianHibernian]

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i never ever thought id say this but.... BRING BACK MAKA!!!

Has probably known since January that he has no future at Hibs . After so long without a match and after recent personal problems has he even been training regularly ? Surely if he was match fit he`d have played at Motherwell after Smith`s performance in Derby ?

[Phil MaGlass]

Id like to see Maka back in goal masel.

[TornadoHibby]

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That sums up our problem (s) rather well.

A wee correction I felt was required Mike as we have more problems than simply current goalkeepers not relieving pressure on defenders and reducing the risks of a headed goal from the central 6yd to 18yd area of our box!

[Scotthibs1875]

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One vital stat missing here - errors made. Can someone get them? I'll start with Stack - the one at Tiny when he let it hit the post - that's his only mistake.

Maka next?

He is terrible. At least Smith will come off his line unlike Stack who is a bottle merchant. What have you seen of stack that makes you think he is better than Smith?