I don't know what's gone so badly wrong at Easter Road since the turn of the year, but if we don't see significant signs of progress by the end of October, I think it will time for Rod to let Yogi go.
I genuinely do believe that every manager should be given a decent amount of time to build his own team and I'm sure many will argue that October doesn't offer that, but if we continue to perform as we have in 2010, we'll be relegation candidates and that's a step too far in the wrong direction.
If we get a few good and appropriate signings in over the summer, I think that with the completed stadium and the wider pitch, we could be in for some exciting times next season.
However, if we have a poor start to the campaign, we'll be on a downward spiral that only a change in manager will be able address.
I do like Yogi's passion for the Hibs job, I agree with his general views on the game and I do hope he's a great success, but he needs to start getting it right very soon.
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Thread: 3 Months, Yogi
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02-05-2010 08:15 AM #1
3 Months, Yogi
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02-05-2010 08:28 AM #2
Since the turn of the year our record is abysmal:
P19 W5 D3 L11 - 18 points
Losing 6 on the bounce is unacceptable.
However I think we have to give Yogi a decent chance to turn it around, continually changing manager will get us nowhere - sacking him now is a bad idea and 3 months of next season probably isn't long enough unless we are rock bottom.
If he gets it badly wrong after next season then its probably time for a change. Football is a results business and results have been bad, however what is worrying is the lack of anything promising recently.
I also think if Yogi doesn't work out we need to look at who is appointing the managers as they too must take some of the blame.
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02-05-2010 08:36 AM #3
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Yogi could really do himself a favour by coming out and telling it like it is instead of, as admirable as it is, almost defending his players on a weekly basis.
If he came out and told us exactly what we can see, imo he'd buy himself a helluva lot of time.
His bizarre post-match interviews are only adding fuel to the fiery suggestion that he's effin' clueless."Play for the name on the front of the jersey and the supporters will remember the name on the back"
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02-05-2010 08:40 AM #4
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Yesterday's loss was nothing to do with the managers tactics, or formation. It was clearly down to individual errors. We dont have enough good players, whatever formation we put out. And yesterday showed us, we are every bit as good as the yams, even with a side thats short of its better players, and short of confidence.
I agree with Dave, he needs time to get rid of those who are not up to the job, and he needs to get better players in.
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02-05-2010 09:14 AM #6
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I saw enough in the early season to keep with him, in fact give him another 3 years guaranteed, to see the job through.
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02-05-2010 09:30 AM #8This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Not a picture of the wholesale changes in the squad that many seem to believe is required.
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02-05-2010 09:30 AM #9
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If our form continues as it is into next season then we will be in a relegation dogfight by November. That is too big a risk for Hibs to take and that means that Hughes needs to be replaced asap.
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02-05-2010 09:34 AM #11
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Never mind 3 months, time for him to go now.
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02-05-2010 09:45 AM #12
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02-05-2010 09:48 AM #13
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I didn't post much last night as I wanted to try and calm down but its no worked I'm still ******* ragin.
Time and again on here I keep reading that he needs "time to sort it out" - "give him a chance to bring in his own players" - "he knows what needs done".
Its utter bollocks - I have seen nothing from Yogi since Christmas that says to me he has the ability to spot our weaknesses and deal with them.
IMO we were good enough to get to 3rd with this squad and indeed obviously we were good enough to achieve it going by his comments at the turn of the year - yet now when things have turned sour "he needs time to get his own players in"
Every man and his dog could see Nish & Miller were struggling but he did nothing
Hogg decides he can continue but he clearly struggles - be a manager for ***** sake
We completely outplayed them for the first 25 minutes of that second half (so much so that we had totally shut their fans up) yet we couldn't score.
Yes we gifted goals but when they equalised - did it occur to JH that he could change things and give THEM something to think about - did he ****.
He was hoping to see it out for the point so did nothing, and thats what we ended up with.
I've been following Hibs long enough to be completely un-surprised at yesterday events however I've also been going long enough to recognise when a manager has clearly not got a ****** clue.
3 months D - I wouldn't give him 3 days.Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, vodka in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming, "WOO HOO what a ride!"
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02-05-2010 10:19 AM #15
2 more games to sort it out. PerformNces have been better top six but unless he converts it into points questions need to be asked.
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It's what Yogi doesn't do that worries me.
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02-05-2010 10:38 AM #20
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Gary to lay the blame for that defeat at Smith's door is IMO ridiculous.
He played a part no doubt about it but to keep blaming our goalkeeping deficiencies is head in the sand stuff worthy of the Hearts fans at their worst.Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, vodka in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming, "WOO HOO what a ride!"
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And like you, i'm fuming we have lost all 3, but yesterday, 2 individual errors lost us that game imho, not formation, not team selection, and not any substitutions yogi might or might not have made. 2 basic errors, a keeper should not be making.
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02-05-2010 10:51 AM #22
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Blackpool Hibs you're getting boring now.
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02-05-2010 10:51 AM #23
I would guess that the board will be waiting until these two games have gone to see where we are. If we somehow manage to get into Europe I think they will stick with Yogi, but should we fail and God forbid end up in 6th then I think Yogi's postion will untenable and the board will replace him.
The unfortunate thing in all this for me is that Yogi is clearly able to spot and get decent players to ER, but I'm afraid to say he has been unable to get them to produce their good form over a purlonged period.
Watching Mixu's Hibs was bad but this is worse because you can see that most of the players out there have the talent, Yogi just can't get them to use it.
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02-05-2010 10:56 AM #24This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
What dud Yogi do? He brings on a player who is either not match fit or more interested in what stupid hat he is gonna wear that night( maybe both) to pressure them at the back a bit.
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02-05-2010 11:00 AM #25
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02-05-2010 11:32 AM #27
I was still in Yogi camp till yesterday. I think he's teetering on the verge of losing the dressing room in a way that Mixu never did. His constant berating of players and getting onto shouting matches on the touchline with them is embarrassing and self-defeating. Ironically, I think it's because he wants the best for the club and has great passion for it.
However, I think if he's to continue, he needs to take not just a long good look at the team in the close-season, but also himself, and put this Leith uberfan, one-of-the-boys, playing-to-the-gallery stuff to bed, and simply see it as another job.
It's strange to berate someone for too much passion, but when you compare his behaviour trackside here and Falkirk, its clear this job is infantilising him, and it's effecting his standing with the players. Yes, some of those spineless wage thieves do need a boot up the rspca but there are ways and means of doing it without undermining them, or ultimately, your own authority with the players and the fans.
I still feel he needs more time, but even saying that is now really starting to stick in my throat. The only real difference between Yogi and Mixu is that Mixu could win a derby.
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02-05-2010 11:52 AM #28
I would like to see a bit more fear about the place both from the players and the manager. Not being feared to win, but more aware of what continually losing will mean. I want to see Hughes tell his players that if we don't pick up points from the last games and finish fourth, he can't be sure that we will kick off next season with him in charge. If they don't respond, then that is as clear a message as you can get. Yogi's body language minds me of a bloke at my work who has been tipped the wink that his job is secure as we go into a period of " down-sizing". We are zipping around like blue ersed flies to make an impression, and he is plodding half-ersed cos he knows he is ok.
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02-05-2010 12:16 PM #29
Re: 3 Months, Yogi
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Yesterday's defeat was entirely down to the manager. Mixu usedto blame individual errors and we all laughed at him.
Not only did Hughes NOT have a plan B - he failed to respond to FJK's substitutions and left Hogg on when very clearly he was struggling. Hertz sensed this and kept attacking. Rather than see the game out we sat deep and played hoofball. And lost. Again.
MacDonald didn't have a save tomake 2nd half FFS.
What's perhaps even more worrying though is his insistence on having a running argument with some of his players throughtout the game.
I honestly don't know what the Happy Clappers think is going to happen if we sign 2 or 3 players and empty half a dozen more. He's not suddenly going to become a great tactician or super motivator. That's obvious by now.
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Seems reasonable.
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