Not sure if anyone else heard it but I just listened to the end of the Motherwell v Dundee United match which United won 3-2, pretty much confirms them finishing third.
They interviewed Peter Houston afterwards and he was talking about this being the reward for the work him and Craig Levein had done at United over the last 3 years, putting together a group of players over that period capable of challenging for third spot and this year they did it.
A lot of people on this board have questioned whether Yogi is the right man or not, I believe that he is but needs more than one season to get where Dundee United are now, in fact I think he's had a pretty decent first season and if we make it into Europe then I think its a job well done.
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18-04-2010 05:41 PM #1
Peter Houston Interview
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18-04-2010 05:54 PM #2This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Back to Yogi, i agree with you there. And i'm more optimistic now than i was on Friday about our chances of getting 4th. If we finish 4th this season and get Europe i would certainly class that as a success and a big improvement on last season.
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18-04-2010 05:56 PM #3This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Some results and performances have been completely unacceptable recently, however, on the whole if we manage to finish 4th, thats a pretty good result considering how bad we were last season.
On a side note it'll be interesting to see how Utd do next season, they'll lose Webster, think they're pretty skint so likely to accept any offers for there players and they don't have Levein any more who always seemed to find players from nowhere.
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18-04-2010 05:59 PM #4This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Yogi came in last summer to a poor squad and the sale of two of our best players (Fletcher and Jones). They were always going to be difficult to replace. He also inherited a squad full of dross (Chisholm, McNeil, Van Zanten, Keenan, O'Brien, and some others that are still here).
On the whole Yogi has made some very good signings (McBride, Miller, Stokes, Smith and potentially Brown) and cleared out a lot of the journeymen.
After a full year working with the players he'll be able to make a very good assessment about areas he needs to strengthen in the summer, and those that he will need to move on to take us up a level.
I'm looking forward to the close season to see some new faces brought in to improve our squad.
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18-04-2010 06:18 PM #5
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18-04-2010 06:42 PM #6This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Unless a player is sold like Bamba for a couple of £M, then Hibs will probably post a loss this year.
I have a feeling that ST sales will be down (i hope not), which will not help his budget.
I just can't see where he will find the right players to strengthen the team in the right positions on a limited budget.
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18-04-2010 07:01 PM #7This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Clearing out players like Makalambay, Stevenson, Nish, Thicot, McCormack etc who are not good enough will free up money on the wage bill.
The stand has apparently been paid for, so we should have money available from the sale of Bamba, if as expected, it happens.
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18-04-2010 07:15 PM #8This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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18-04-2010 07:27 PM #9This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I also remember reading that CL and PH had to make sacrifices to their squad in order to bring in Webster - has Yogi really shown that kind of strategic thinking? If he has then I haven't seen it.
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18-04-2010 07:32 PM #10This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Now he's had a season looking and assesing the squad i agree, i'm expecting him to find players that we aren't already aware of. It's been said he watches lots of reserves game down south so i'm hoping he should be able to pick up a couple of players from there.
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18-04-2010 07:42 PM #11
Those who are calling for Yogi's head should have a word with themselves.
It's been 4 years and 2 managers since we had a season where we could and should finish 4th. Yes there have been periods this season which have been disappointing however this management team and players have got us where we are and if we finish 4th should regard this as an improvement and a success so to speak.
Yes Yogi has made mistakes and I am sure he will be the first to admit it.
Yes I think he would like to change his squad around however he has only had 2 transfer windows to operate in.
Look at Tony Mowbray, wholesale changes in the January window, made a complete cods of it and is now out of work..Rome wasn't built in a day.
I am hoping Yogi will have learnt a lot this season, especially during the dismal run we are currently on, this run should tell him a lot about the players he has at his disposal and the strengths he is looking for.
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18-04-2010 07:42 PM #12This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Yogi has to be given, in my opinion, at least four transfer windows to put his own shape on the squad. He can't really be judged until then.
As you point out, United have built their squad up step by step and now have a very settled, well balanced team. They've plenty of back-up in key positions, play good football and match it with a keen work ethic. But they didn't get there overnight.
I have some slight concerns, but would still like Yogi to be given the chance to prove he's the man we all want him to be.
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18-04-2010 07:53 PM #13This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Also unlike you probably, I just don't believe in this urban myth that you can't tell if he is any good as a manager until he has been in the job some number of years - I personally would just like it if he could give us all a sign that he has some clue as to what he is about.
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18-04-2010 08:06 PM #14
It should be remembered that United finished 9th in Levein's first season in charge (he took over in the October, so not quite a full season) at a time when Eddie Thomson was still putting money into the club.
Levein then took them to consecutive 5th place finishes, flattering to deceive at times when many pundits had them pegged as favourites for third place.
That said, because he had the time to build a team and carry out top to bottom changes at the club, United are getting the rewards for the patience and perseverance now.They will, IMHO, finish third, and they are hot favourites for the Scottish Cup. That is a fantastic season for a club the size of United.
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18-04-2010 08:06 PM #15This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Don't know what you mean about it being an urban myth, we've not got very good players just now yet are sitting 4th in the league, once he gets better players i think we'll do better.
He's clearly made mistakes and i don't agree with every decision he makes, however, the league position he's got us to means it's be crazy to sack him now IMO.
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18-04-2010 08:24 PM #18This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If you alight on the opinion that the manager is good then naturally you must conclude that the players he has are rubbish, but did you never consider the possibility that it is the other way round?
I also don't see why all the loyalty has to go to the manager and the players can just get turfed out left right and centre and I most certainly dislike the disdain that is being shown to good athletes who in all likelyhood are out there doing their very best to put in a decent shift.
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18-04-2010 08:25 PM #19This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
So i am not going to complain that we haven't been the same this half of the season. We should be judging Yogi based on this whole season, not just the last couple of months. When analysing a Managers performance based on a season, you can't just look at the last few months and forget about everything he done during the 6 months before that.
I think it would be careless letting Yogi go now, give the guy a bit of time.
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18-04-2010 08:30 PM #20
Dundee United were bottom of the league, Hughes unherited a team that finished 6th. Also, the SPL has dipped in quality over that time. It's not something I am buying into to be honest. Bloody doom and gloomer! :o)
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18-04-2010 08:31 PM #21This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The loyalty has to go to the manager not the players because when we gave him the job we gave him the responsibility of managing the playing staff at the club.
With regards to them being good athletes i suggest you go up to george street on a saturday night
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18-04-2010 09:05 PM #22This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I think in those circumstances most supporters, even Hibs supporters, would see that as step one in a rebuilding process and be looking forward to the summer transfer window and the next full season to see what could be achieved.
Again Levein always came over as a shrewd manager tactically, even when his team lacked the resources and quality to make it count. So supporters would have reason to be confident that their team was in sound hands.
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18-04-2010 11:32 PM #24
Levein didn't have the squad we have.
Levein didn't have the wages budget we have.
Levein didn't have the training resources we have.
Hence it took time.
Yogi won't get - and doesn't deserve - 3 years unless the results and quality of football rapidly improve IMHO
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19-04-2010 07:39 AM #25
If our last 14 games or so, had been our first 14 games, does anybody think that Hughes would still be here? That said, Saturday was miles and miles away from what we were offered up at Hamilton last week. Fourth and Uefa or even fifth and Uefa would be a decent enough return, but in this climate, if we end up sixth that is not much of a platform to sell seasons for next year. As much as other posters have talked about squad investment, well our first 100K has to be on a new pitch and that could be the best investment in the squad we could make.
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19-04-2010 08:01 AM #26
Re: Peter Houston Interview
My current problem isn't really the squad yogi has. It is his lack of sight in picking the right formation and his lack of ability to change things during a game when we are under the cosh. He needs to do a lot of learning in the summer
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19-04-2010 08:07 AM #27
What does Peter Houston know, why would he know better than us? TQM has told us 9 months is enough, Petrie do the right thing.
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19-04-2010 08:13 AM #28This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
not to lose to rangers and a win over the gorgay boys and we will be a lot happier and season tickets will be ok for next season, even thinking about one for the new stand myself !!
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19-04-2010 08:16 AM #29This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
i think had we sunk to 8th or 9th things would be different.
we will probably have a good start to next season again,its the keeping the momentum going thats the problem
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