Motherwell complaining to SFA about fixtures

[Diclonius]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/default.stm

And quite right too.

Surely even the probability that someone could get an 18-20 split is farcical - how the **** did UEFA sanction this?

Hopefully enough of a fuss is created to abandon this crappy setup once and for all.

[seanraff07]

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/default.stm

And quite right too.

Surely even the probability that someone could get an 18-20 split is farcical - how the **** did UEFA sanction this?

Hopefully enough of a fuss is created to abandon this crappy setup once and for all.

Probably cause they couldn't care less about the SPL.

[GloryGlory]

Are they complaining about 3 home games against Hibs, too?

[CB_NO3]

Our league is a farce. Its so unfair its embarassing

[Hibernian Verse]

Have Rangers/Celtic got an equal 19/19?

[HibbyAndy]

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Are they complaining about 3 home games against Hibs, too?

Correct.

[seanraff07]

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Have Rangers/Celtic got an equal 19/19?

Celtic are 19/19, and Rangers are 18/20 so i suppose it's not just us that have been shafted.

[davym7062]

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Celtic are 19/19, and Rangers are 18/20 so i suppose it's not just us that have been shafted.

dont be fooled. only doing that cause rangers have won the league already it wouldnt have happened if it was close

[Sir David Gray]

I don't suppose they are complaining about having Hibs three times at home but the fact remains that they are right to complain about this absolutely ludicrous set up.

It's nonsensical, a complete farce and just makes our league look ridiculous to any onlookers.

It's time the people in charge of Scottish football listened to the fans, and I mean REALLY listened not just the usual lip service, and brought our whole game into the 21st century.

The way it's going just now, it's dying on its feet.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

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Celtic are 19/19, and Rangers are 18/20 so i suppose it's not just us that have been shafted.

Rangers are 19/19. The only two clubs to have an uneven split are Motherwell 18/20 and Aberdeen 20/18.

[seanraff07]

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dont be fooled. only doing that cause rangers have won the league already it wouldnt have happened if it was close

Suppose, and it will be Celtic that have the equal games and not Rangers just to make them feel better.

[Ed De Gramo]

Couldn't give a toss about Motherwell's plight...that park is honkin

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Rangers are 19/19. The only two clubs to have an uneven split are Motherwell 18/20 and Aberdeen 20/18.

Presumably that's due to them not finishing in the half the SPL bosses guessed they'd finish in?

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

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Presumably that's due to them not finishing in the half the SPL bosses guessed they'd finish in?

The only difference between the top 6 this season and last season is Motherwell for Aberdeen.

[Prof. Shaggy]

It would make a lot more sense, if they want a split, to do it after 22 games.
Then the top and bottom halves would play each other home and away and there is no problem.
It seems too simple a solution, though.

[Hibs Class]

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It would make a lot more sense, if they want a split, to do it after 22 games.
Then the top and bottom halves would play each other home and away and there is no problem.
It seems too simple a solution, though.

It would prevent this specific situation, but would result in a league comprising only 32 games, which would probably be seen as too few. It would be better having a league of 18 teams playing home and away once only, total of 34 games.

[lapsedhibee]

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It would make a lot more sense, if they want a split, to do it after 22 games.
Then the top and bottom halves would play each other home and away and there is no problem.
It seems too simple a solution, though.

That would reduce the league season from 38 matches to 32 though. Too short, non?

[iwasthere1972]

Motherwell expect to lose £200K because they will not be facing Celtic at Fir Park.

I find that hard to believe as let's face it Celtic's season is over and I couldn't see any more than about 2-3,000 of their fans turning up. Add the non season ticket holders of Motherwell to that figure and you're lucky if it would exceed 4,000.

£100K tops I would imagine less police and staffing costs. I would say nearer £70K than £200K.

Anyway they have the bonus of playing us for a third time at Fir Park and that can't be right either.

So up them.

[bubblesmorrison]

the best idea would be to get away from the split and do a 16 or 18 team top league i think ross county and raith have showed this season theres not to much diffrence between the tops 1st division clbs and anyone else. so why not

[jakedance]

The split has been farcial since day 1. It's not a league unless you play the same teams an equal number of times home and away. Scottish fitba is dying on it's arse and our governing bodies are doing nothing about it. Non old-firm fans are second class citizens, you only have to consider the treatment of Ross County's fans on Saturday to see that.

[Carheenlea]

Does anyone know if our League set-up is replicated anywhere else in the world?

The fact that no other "serious" football nation appears to use this system should suggest to the clowns running our game that it is a joke. Plus, in an age when clubs are struggling to get fans to attend games they ask you to buy ST`s where you have no idea of what the most important fixtures of the season are until April.

Let`s face it, if the imbeciles running our game think that a league where the team in 7th invariably finish with more points than the 6th place team is a great idea, then it is no wonder we are now a mickey mouse footballing nation.

[PeeKay]

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Does anyone know if our League set-up is replicated anywhere else in the world?

The fact that no other "serious" football nation appears to use this system should suggest to the clowns running our game that it is a joke. Plus, in an age when clubs are struggling to get fans to attend games they ask you to buy ST`s where you have no idea of what the most important fixtures of the season are until April.

Let`s face it, if the imbeciles running our game think that a league where the team in 7th invariably finish with more points than the 6th place team is a great idea, then it is no wonder we are now a mickey mouse footballing nation.

Think they have the same/ similar set-up in Austria. Gordon Smith played in Austria which is why he was one of the first to advocate it while still a BBC pundit.

[Jonnyboy]

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That would reduce the league season from 38 matches to 32 though. Too short, non?

Not if they revamped the League Cup to it's old group format

[Mibbes Aye]

There's a bigger picture being missed here.

Remove the split and we lose a huge number of potential thread topics/reasons for having a go at the manager, board and players/reasons for getting behind the manager, board and players.

We would be cutting our own throats

[London Hibs FC]

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It would prevent this specific situation, but would result in a league comprising only 32 games, which would probably be seen as too few. It would be better having a league of 18 teams playing home and away once only, total of 34 games.

This with a revamped League Cup, for me anyway, seems the best proposition!

[Prof. Shaggy]

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Not if they revamped the League Cup to it's old group format

That was the way I saw it.

[Vini1875]

It's all well and good blaming the SFA and SPL but it is the clubs who are making the decisions.

Playing each other once at home and once away is the ideal from a fans point of view. It would make the big games at ER proper big games and those crappy away games would be easier to do if you only had to do it once. But the truth is many clubs will bend over backwards to have the OF calling twice each as it also brings the TV money etc. I would like to see a vote where the clubs who voted against could be known and could explain to their own fans why they voted against expansion and playing less games.

[sahib]

The split may be stupid, but it was an attempt to breath some life into a league that was dead, for most clubs, half way through the season. Removing the split may be fine but it is not a cure for all the ills of Scottish football.

[mim]

14 team league, split after 26 games.
6 home and away against teams in same half = 38 games.

Same number of games as now and everyone plays 19 home and 19 away.

Too easy??

Will the bottom 7 survive with only two games against each of the OF - will turkeys vote for Christmas?

[Mibbes Aye]

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The split may be stupid, but it was an attempt to breath some life into a league that was dead, for most clubs, half way through the season. Removing the split may be fine but it is not a cure for all the ills of Scottish football.

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14 team league, split after 26 games.
6 home and away against teams in same half = 38 games.

Same number of games as now and everyone plays 19 home and 19 away.

Too easy??

Will the bottom 7 survive with only two games against each of the OF - will turkeys vote for Christmas?

The switch to four games a season benefitted the OF and was in the short-term interests of the rest. It would take a leap of faith for those running clubs to vote for a system like you've described. It's quite possibly an improvement but are there enough people prepared to take the short-term risk for the long-term overall gain?