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**SidBurns** · 09-04-2010 09:06 AM

Could this be the reason why...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...an/8610201.stm

...we are so pish at the moment!?!

**~~Phil D. Rolls~~** · 09-04-2010 09:09 AM

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Could this be the reason why...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...an/8610201.stm

...we are so pish at the moment!?!

Strikes me as a risky business, if I was a player I'd want to know where I was playing next season asap, rather than wait till the end of the season. I'm sure their agents are speaking to other clubs, and maybe some of them know they're off already?

**~~Peevemor~~** · 09-04-2010 09:15 AM

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Strikes me as a risky business, if I was a player I'd want to know where I was playing next season asap, rather than wait till the end of the season. I'm sure their agents are speaking to other clubs, and maybe some of them know they're off already?

Possibly, but is there any harm in giving the players in question an extra incentive to pull their fingers out?

***Stevie Reid*** · 09-04-2010 09:18 AM

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Could this be the reason why...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...an/8610201.stm

...we are so pish at the moment!?!

Don't think so - in fact, I believe that a more innocent comment from Yogi at the turn of the year, stating that very few would be leaving in the summer, is more likely to have had a negative effect, due to some players subliminally taking their foot off the pedal. Ian Murray signing his contract was one of the highlights of the season but, and it may be just a coincidence, his form has dipped since his future was secured.

If the modern day footballer can't raise their game to potentially secure a new contract/put themselves in the shop window then they're in the wrong job. Many managers continually offer players one year contracts to help keep their form up over the season.

**~~Phil D. Rolls~~** · 09-04-2010 09:21 AM

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Possibly, but is there any harm in giving the players in question an extra incentive to pull their fingers out?

I'm sure that's how Yogi looks at it. How effective it will be will depend on what they think Hibs can offer compared to other clubs.

**~~Peevemor~~** · 09-04-2010 09:25 AM

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I'm sure that's how Yogi looks at it. How effective it will be will depend on what they think Hibs can offer compared to other clubs.

Also true, though the players themselves will know that if they currently earn say £2K per week and another club offers £4K, then Hibs aren't going to match that. If there's only slightly more money offered elsewhere, then they're likely to bide their time to see (a) what Hibs offer and (b) what other offers they might get.

**IWasThere2016** · 09-04-2010 09:26 AM

I think Yogi's saying the right thing to try and buck some players up tbh.

It may also suggest that some won't be getting offers and Yogi's no wasting time discussing terms with players he wishes to replace.

***H18sry*** · 09-04-2010 09:28 AM

Its more likely Yogi does not want to keep any of the players who are out of contract, at the end of the season and by not telling them if they are given a chance to play they will try to impress, as opposed to being told you are not wanted and they do not give a flying one.

***sleeping giant*** · 09-04-2010 09:40 AM

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Its more likely Yogi does not want to keep any of the players who are out of contract, at the end of the season and by not telling them if they are given a chance to play they will try to impress, as opposed to being told you are not wanted and they do not give a flying one.

That was my take on it too.
Anyone he wanted to keep would have been given a new deal like Murray.

**IWasThere2016** · 09-04-2010 09:48 AM

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Its more likely Yogi does not want to keep any of the players who are out of contract, at the end of the season and by not telling them if they are given a chance to play they will try to impress, as opposed to being told you are not wanted and they do not give a flying one.

Totally agree.

***Jack*** · 09-04-2010 09:48 AM

We’ve extended the contracts of Murray and Wotherspoon so far this year – they are very import to the club and their services have been secured.

Whose contract runs out, or who’s away, in June?

Steven Thicot (I think might be 2011. Some reports said he signed a 3 year deal in 2008, other reports didn’t mention a period)
Yves Makalambay
Alan Gow
Benji
Kurtis Byrne????

TBH hardly likely to loose sleep if any of them went.

**RoslinInstHibby** · 09-04-2010 10:00 AM

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We’ve extended the contracts of Murray and Wotherspoon so far this year – they are very import to the club and their services have been secured.

Whose contract runs out, or who’s away, in June?

Steven Thicot (I think might be 2011. Some reports said he signed a 3 year deal in 2008, other reports didn’t mention a period)
Yves Makalambay
Alan Gow
Benji
Kurtis Byrne????

TBH hardly likely to loose sleep if any of them went.

Cregg is another

***J-C*** · 09-04-2010 10:01 AM

What I can gather from this is he's got 3-4 players out of contract, new contracts won't be offered at this moment as he want to see themm earning a new one by playing bout of their skins. If they don't prove themselves, then new players will be brought in who can do it for us, pretty straightforward really.

**Andy74** · 09-04-2010 10:03 AM

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What I can gather from this is he's got 3-4 players out of contract, new contracts won't be offered at this moment as he want to see themm earning a new one by playing bout of their skins. If they don't prove themselves, then new players will be brought in who can do it for us, pretty straightforward really.

I'd like to keep Thicot and Benji but neither are in the 'must have' category. If we have anyhting better to come in then great.

***matty_f*** · 09-04-2010 10:07 AM

I would think that those that Yogi wants to keep will have been told that they'll be offered something at the end of the season, while those he doesn't won't have.

I don't think Hibs would risk losing any players they were determined to keep by letting their contracts run down, to be honest.

***HFC 0-7*** · 09-04-2010 10:27 AM

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Possibly, but is there any harm in giving the players in question an extra incentive to pull their fingers out?

Still to risky, if the agents have gone out and said to the player, its no worries if you dont get offered a new contract here cause I have another one at a different club ready for you, then Hibs are gonna lose out.

Regardless of whether they want to play for the club or not, they may have families etc to support, so they will probably just want to make sure they have guranteed income. If hibs arent offering new contracts then I am sure they will be saying to their agents to make sure they have a club.

**oconnors_strip** · 09-04-2010 10:32 AM

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We’ve extended the contracts of Murray and Wotherspoon so far this year – they are very import to the club and their services have been secured.

Whose contract runs out, or who’s away, in June?

Steven Thicot (I think might be 2011. Some reports said he signed a 3 year deal in 2008, other reports didn’t mention a period)
Yves Makalambay
Alan Gow
Benji
Kurtis Byrne????

TBH hardly likely to loose sleep if any of them went.

kurtis has another year to go, he was one of the 7 who got a first team 2 year contract last may. out of that 7 only kurtis, david wotherspoon and thomas flynn have been involved in first team squad. ewan moyes is on loan at arbroath after being at livi for a few months, lee currie and sean welsh went on loan to stenhousemuir and both got injured. patrick deane got released.

**ScottB** · 09-04-2010 10:33 AM

Considering we've already given Ian Murray a new contract I'm guessing those that haven't been offered one aint getting one.

**Andy74** · 09-04-2010 11:04 AM

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Still to risky, if the agents have gone out and said to the player, its no worries if you dont get offered a new contract here cause I have another one at a different club ready for you, then Hibs are gonna lose out.

Regardless of whether they want to play for the club or not, they may have families etc to support, so they will probably just want to make sure they have guranteed income. If hibs arent offering new contracts then I am sure they will be saying to their agents to make sure they have a club.

God luck to them then.

**MyJo** · 09-04-2010 11:24 AM

If the players who are out of contract had proven themselves to be good enough they would have been offered extended contracts by now (Murray, Wotherspoon).

If anyone who is out of contract thinks they can get a better deal elsewhere then good luck to them because Yogi clearly thinks Hibs can attract better players if he willing to let thier contracts expire.

**dangermouse** · 09-04-2010 11:32 AM

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Still to risky, if the agents have gone out and said to the player, its no worries if you dont get offered a new contract here cause I have another one at a different club ready for you, then Hibs are gonna lose out.

Regardless of whether they want to play for the club or not, they may have families etc to support, so they will probably just want to make sure they have guranteed income. If hibs arent offering new contracts then I am sure they will be saying to their agents to make sure they have a club.

If the players that are out of contract were that good they'd be in the first team and either be signed up by now or signed a pre contract with another club. As it is, no reports that I'm aware of of other teams ready to snap up our "stars".

**~~Speedway~~** · 09-04-2010 11:34 AM

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Still to risky, if the agents have gone out and said to the player, its no worries if you dont get offered a new contract here cause I have another one at a different club ready for you, then Hibs are gonna lose out.

Regardless of whether they want to play for the club or not, they may have families etc to support, so they will probably just want to make sure they have guranteed income. If hibs arent offering new contracts then I am sure they will be saying to their agents to make sure they have a club.

And I'll be the taxi for any of our out of contract players that get such a deal sorted out.

**~~Phil D. Rolls~~** · 09-04-2010 11:57 AM

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And I'll be the taxi for any of our out of contract players that get such a deal sorted out.

Surely a rickshaw would be a more appropriate way to ferry them to their destination?

**Andy74** · 09-04-2010 12:58 PM

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Surely a rickshaw would be a more appropriate way to ferry them to their destination?

***Jack*** · 09-04-2010 02:52 PM

Jeez I thought I'd just posted my last post on the wrong thread

***Jonnyboy*** · 09-04-2010 03:14 PM

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Its more likely Yogi does not want to keep any of the players who are out of contract, at the end of the season and by not telling them if they are given a chance to play they will try to impress, as opposed to being told you are not wanted and they do not give a flying one.

That's my take on it too.

One thing he has said in the months gone by is that there may be decisions taken to let certain players go that the fans will have to trust him on. My take on that was and is that one or more of our better/more popular players might be going out of the door. Mind you, if that doesn't happen it wouldn't be the first time I've got things wrong

**Wilson** · 09-04-2010 03:16 PM

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That's my take on it too.

One thing he has said in the months gone by is that there may be decisions taken to let certain players go that the fans will have to trust him on. My take on that was and is that one or more of our better/more popular players might be going out of the door. Mind you, if that doesn't happen it wouldn't be the first time I've got things wrong

If that doesn't happen it will be Yogi that has got things wrong!

***Jonnyboy*** · 09-04-2010 03:16 PM

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If that doesn't happen it will be Yogi that will have got things wrong!

**~~TornadoHibby~~** · 09-04-2010 06:47 PM

FWIW Yogi told me quite recently when we touched on the matter of "player motivation, effort and commitment" that sometimes that can be a problem with players in the early stages of a (say) three or four year contract but tends not to be as the contract period reduces!

Maybe he's testing his theory in an effort to reverse the poor results trend of the last three months or so!