Stack 'The question is now whether we can finish fourth'

**Hibs90** · 22-03-2010 03:52 PM

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-22129890/

Fourth? Lack of ambition.

**HibeeDaz6270** · 22-03-2010 04:00 PM

Our aim has to be third. If any player in our squad believes 3rd is not achievable then they should not be wearing the jersey. Simple. Rise to the challenge!

**Lucius Apuleius** · 22-03-2010 04:01 PM

Does that go for the supporters as well?

**Vini1875** · 22-03-2010 04:01 PM

I don't want to sound like a jambo, but their end was supposed to be sold out, yet there seems to empty seats everywhere. That photo is a case in point.

**HibeeDaz6270** · 22-03-2010 04:02 PM

And be honest he is quoted saying " as far as im conerned third place is still on"

**truehibernian** · 22-03-2010 04:03 PM

He won't be in goals tomorrow so he needn't worry.

***Danderhall Hibs*** · 22-03-2010 04:04 PM

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He won't be in goals tomorrow so he needn't worry.

Are we going down the one mistake and you're out line now?

***Bayern Bru*** · 22-03-2010 04:07 PM

Perhaps he's alluding to the fact that Hibs were punching above their weight in the early part of the season in being "title contenders" rather than "we're not good enough for third."

FWIW, I think he'll be in goals tomorrow night.

**truehibernian** · 22-03-2010 04:08 PM

No Danderhall, for what it is worth, I think Stack is very much like Goram and is a good shot stopper. I just get a hunch that Smith will be between the sticks tomorrow. Not being over critical of Stack, but I do think the last three games he has been a tad ropey (kicking, hesitant at crosses, etc). Smith I think commands the area better and shouts more to keep them on their toes. We will see though.

***Jonnyboy*** · 22-03-2010 04:09 PM

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Are we going down the one mistake and you're out line now?

DH - if Stacky is dropped and it's a BIG if then it will not be solely on the basis of the first goal conceded at Tynie. The keepers overall performance in that game was poor in that he failed to command his six yard box and failed to come for a number of crosses that would easily have been gathered. He looks jittery and nervous and not for the first time IMO so he may be dropped for those reasons, we'll just have to wait and see

***Danderhall Hibs*** · 22-03-2010 04:10 PM

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No Danderhall, for what it is worth, I think Stack is very much like Goram and is a good shot stopper. I just get a hunch that Smith will be between the sticks tomorrow. Not being over critical of Stack, but I do think the last three games he has been a tad ropey (kicking, hesitant at crosses, etc). Smith I think commands the area better and shouts more to keep them on their toes. We will see though.

I agree about his seemingly aimless kicking but the 2nd reason you give is the reason Yogi binned Smith and put Stack back in.

I think he'll stick by Stack tomorrow. I feel a bit sorry for him - it seems folk have been waiting on him making a mistake all season and now he has they're all pouncing.

***Bayern Bru*** · 22-03-2010 04:12 PM

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I agree about his seemingly aimless kicking but the 2nd reason you give is the reason Yogi binned Smith and put Stack back in.

I think he'll stick by Stack tomorrow. I feel a bit sorry for him - it seems folk have been waiting on him making a mistake all season and now he has they're all pouncing.

Yeah, I have a feeling he'll start Stack tomorrow as well. And despite the apparent reason for dropping Smith was to 'gee up Bamba,' we don't know the full story so we're merely guessing.

***Jonnyboy*** · 22-03-2010 04:14 PM

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Yeah, I have a feeling he'll start Stack tomorrow as well. And despite the apparent reason for dropping Smith was to 'gee up Bamba,' we don't know the full story so we're merely guessing.

An apparent reason spoken by Yogi himself so no guessing required

***Bayern Bru*** · 22-03-2010 04:16 PM

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An apparent reason spoken by Yogi himself so no guessing required

What, because 'In Yogi we trust?'

I see what you're getting at Jonny, but we don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes. Maybe there's another reason that Hughes isn't telling us about.

Just a 'what-if' scenario, nothing else. Mere guess work in fact!

***Jonnyboy*** · 22-03-2010 04:17 PM

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What, because 'In Yogi we trust?'

I see what you're getting at Jonny, but we don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes. Maybe there's another reason that Hughes isn't telling us about.

Just a 'what-if' scenario, nothing else. Mere guess work in fact!

Could be LH, could be

Personally I don't care which of our multitude of keepers plays as long as he does his job well

***Bayern Bru*** · 22-03-2010 04:19 PM

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Could be LH, could be

Personally I don't care which of our multitude of keepers plays as long as he does his job well

Oh definitely. I don't think there's many who'd disagree with you there. Apart from the anti-Maka league, of course.

***Jonnyboy*** · 22-03-2010 04:20 PM

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Oh definitely. I don't think there's many who'd disagree with you there. Apart from the anti-Maka league, of course.

Ah, the anti-Maka league - forever in dispute with the anti-Stack league as well as the pro Smith and pro Brown fella's

**truehibernian** · 22-03-2010 04:21 PM

Last three games I think Stack has been quite ropey. Couple of times v Ross County he let seemingly harmless crosses loop over him (his misjudgement), one of which the County players conspired to miss from 6 yards. I know for a fact that Hughes was fuming at his kicking and his constant kicking towards Derek Riordan, when there were other options. He did the same at the weekend there. County will, IMO, play a long ball game at times, and plump cross after cross into our box, and over our centre backs. This needs a keeper with presence. Having met both recently, to me, Smith looks more commanding and is a bigger keeper height wise. Stack has had some terrific reaction stops this last few games agreed, but I think Yogi may plump for Buzz in this one. Maybe that would mean a wee change in midfield too with Bamba pushing up........as Hong Kong Fuey once said..........."could be.............."

***NorthNorfolkHFC*** · 22-03-2010 04:39 PM

RE: the other thread relating to tactical naivety.

With 3 competitive goalkeepers vying for 1 jersey i would have thought a mistake would warrant a goalkeeper getting dropped?

If Stack is not dropped what hope have Smith or Brown got of ever getting a shot?

Stack HAS to be dropped RE: HIS mistake on Saturday. This way he keeps all goalkeepers interested and hopefully builds up confidence and competitiveness.

Stack being able to CONTROL Bamba is the biggest lot of b******t i have ever heard. If Bamba can't 'control' himself he shouldn't be thinking of a move to Arsenal. The back 3 picked should be able to talk throughout a game in order to deal with the situation, its cooperation and teamwork!!!

***Danderhall Hibs*** · 22-03-2010 04:51 PM

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RE: the other thread relating to tactical naivety.

With 3 competitive goalkeepers vying for 1 jersey i would have thought a mistake would warrant a goalkeeper getting dropped?

If Stack is not dropped what hope have Smith or Brown got of ever getting a shot?

Stack HAS to be dropped RE: HIS mistake on Saturday. This way he keeps all goalkeepers interested and hopefully builds up confidence and competitiveness.

If the goalies are on edge knowing that one mistake and they're out they'll not perform. And I don't think that making a mistake and being put to the back of the line would instill confidence.

**iwasthere1972** · 22-03-2010 04:53 PM

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Our aim has to be third. If any player in our squad believes 3rd is not achievable then they should not be wearing the jersey. Simple. Rise to the challenge!

Although as a fan I would happily accept 4th spot at the moment. 3rd is achievable and that's the target Yogi and the team should be looking for.

**Franck is God** · 22-03-2010 06:08 PM

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No Danderhall, for what it is worth, I think Stack is very much like Goram and is a good shot stopper. I just get a hunch that Smith will be between the sticks tomorrow. Not being over critical of Stack, but I do think the last three games he has been a tad ropey (kicking, hesitant at crosses, etc). Smith I think commands the area better and shouts more to keep them on their toes. We will see though.

I cannot believe anyone would liken Graham Stack to Andy Goram, only one fact connects them, that according to their CV's they are both goal keepers but that is where the similarity ends.

Goram is the best goalie I have ever seen, lost count how many times he single handedly won us points. Stack is a very poor keeper in comparison and should not even be mentioned in the same sentence.

FWIW I hope he never pulls on the jersey again, nothing personal against the guy but both Brown and Smith are better and in my opinion Maka is better than all three but I doubt I'll see him in a Hibs shirt again so I'll just have to be happy with Smith or Brown (which I am).

***Danderhall Hibs*** · 22-03-2010 06:15 PM

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FWIW I hope he never pulls on the jersey again, nothing personal against the guy but both Brown and Smith are better and in my opinion Maka is better than all three but I doubt I'll see him in a Hibs shirt again so I'll just have to be happy with Smith or Brown (which I am).

Wind-up merchant. The Maka bit gave it away!

***GlesgaeHibby*** · 22-03-2010 06:31 PM

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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-22129890/

Fourth? Lack of ambition.

Pretty sure they have misquoted him. He says in the next sentence that 3rd is very much still on and we should aim for it.

**~~Toaods~~** · 22-03-2010 07:05 PM

There's no doubt we can get fourth, his concern should be whether he's part of it or not.

Mistakes, arguments with punters and press interviews all over the place this last fortnight or so....perhaps best if he just shuts it and gets on with the job.

**erskine-hibby** · 22-03-2010 07:14 PM

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Although as a fan I would happily accept 4th spot at the moment. 3rd is achievable and that's the target Yogi and the team should be looking for.

Not long ago we were going for second.
Yogi has stated he wants nothing less than 3rd, so why should we accept anything less??
If we were to finish 4th I would say we well and truly blew it.

***Eaststand*** · 22-03-2010 07:19 PM

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No Danderhall, for what it is worth, I think Stack is very much like Goram and is a good shot stopper. I just get a hunch that Smith will be between the sticks tomorrow. Not being over critical of Stack, but I do think the last three games he has been a tad ropey (kicking, hesitant at crosses, etc). Smith I think commands the area better and shouts more to keep them on their toes. We will see though.

apart from a daft rush of blood when he came out of his box on Saturday and almost blew it, Stack seems to have forgotten how to step off his line to clear the ball...yep he's not too bad a shot stopper at times, but he's been glued to his line mostly since he got the jersey back and it's surely time to give one of the other keepers a chance

**Bad Martini** · 22-03-2010 07:23 PM

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Not long ago we were going for second.
Yogi has stated he wants nothing less than 3rd, so why should we accept anything less??
If we were to finish 4th I would say we well and truly blew it.

I thought Yogi said he didn't think we'd get 3rd and 4th was more likely at some point? Might've been paper pish or such like tho but if not, then he's just as guilty as the rest of the team for lack of ambition...

**iwasthere1972** · 22-03-2010 07:27 PM

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Not long ago we were going for second.
Yogi has stated he wants nothing less than 3rd, so why should we accept anything less??
If we were to finish 4th I would say we well and truly blew it.

I didn't read the article but if Yogi says he wants nothing less than 3rd fair enough. As I said before, that's what the players should be aiming for.

4th would still be acceptable in my eyes taken into consideration recent performances and results. Far better then ending the season in 6th behind them Yams.