Wolves fined over team selection

[HibeeUnderwood]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...rs/8521603.stm

Has the footballing world gone mad!

[Hibercelona]

Apparently you have to play the strongest side you can play in a game.

Stupid rule if you ask me.

Surely the manager will know the strongest team to field in certain games better than the football associations.

[Peevemor]

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...rs/8521603.stm

Has the footballing world gone mad!

I see that the fine is "suspended", which I assume means they will pay it only if they do the same thing again.

However should Wolves appeal, and despite the obvious reason for what McCarthy did, the League officials will have to prove that they are better placed to pick the team than the manager who works with the players every day. That won't be easy.

[TonyStokeprano]

Maybe the F.A should start picking the startin 11 for each game. idiots.

[CropleyWasGod]

Will the SFA fine Yogi for last night?

[HibeeUnderwood]

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Will the SFA fine Yogi for last night?

Probably

[Ell_Chrisso]

Another aspect you can also look at tho, is it's almost Match fixing.

And il expect some bookies took a right good hammering from people with plenty money to lump on Man U, at v short odds.

So in that aspect, im not suprised the fine is there. As im sure some bookmakers weren't too happy.

But at the same time, McCarthy should maybe have made this publicly clear a few days before, or even a few weeks. Then his own fans might not have even wasted the money they did to travel and go to the game in the first place.

[IWasThere2016]

They've made a rod for their own back .. will they fine ALL others for weakened teams from now on?

[CropleyWasGod]

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They've made a rod for their own back .. will they fine ALL others for weakened teams from now on?

iirc, this used to be quite common in the 70's and 80's.

[Green_one]

What will happen is that no-one ever says anything directly about it again.

So if you are going to play a weakened team stay quiet and perhaps alude to injuries or tactical changes.

I have got to believe this is one law for the small teams and another for the big boys. Man United often do not play their 'best team' and although it is impossible to prove with them they often state they are resting someone for a bigger game. They (and the likes of Chelsea etc) do usually win in any case (e.g. the League Cup final against Spurs) but their FA cup semi team was below strength and they lost.

Many teams in the League cup could be fined for playing understrength but its a great forum for the younger players to state a claim. OK, in cups you are only damaging yourself but if Chelsea were playing a team in the relegation zone prior to a Euro final say, would they play their best team - no

[MWHIBBIES]

This is a joke imo. They are fineing a manager for picking a team witch is within his right(unless its the hearts manager).

[Phil MaGlass]

IMO its ripping the fans off,hard earned cash for tix and ST,s,I can see the point of it,but I would not be a happy chappy if Hibs done it,mind you after laast nite I wouldnae be surprised if Yogi is investigated

[J-C]

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Apparently you have to play the strongest side you can play in a game.

Stupid rule if you ask me.

Surely the manager will know the strongest team to field in certain games better than the football associations.

Football at this level needs a biggish squad to rotate and keep players fresh because of the amount of games being played. Surely it's not Wolves fault that the rest of the squad aren't in the same league as say Man U, Arsenal, chelsea etc.

[boomtownhibby]

this is disgraceful in my opinion, if this is the ruling surley the vast majority of teams are guilty of fielding 'weakened' teams on occassions. And surely a manager has the right to play whatever team he wishes. Wolves are more likely to take points of teams around them and would prefer a stronger eleven in theses games. on top of all this isn't a strongest eleven a matter of opinion ?

[green.and.white]

It must be quite demotivating for the fringe players in the team then if the FA see them as 'weaker' players compared to the first team, seems quite disrespectful from the FA and they are pretty much saying that when Wolves make changes to their team they are pash

[ballengeich]

It's important for the integrity of competitions that teams field their best players. Severe punishments should be available.

What would you consider an appropriate punishment in the hypothetical situation that a side omitted its best defender because he wanted to leave at the end of the season when his contract expires?

[blackpoolhibs]

I bet they wouldn't fine chelsea or arsenal or man united for doing this.

[Speedy]

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What will happen is that no-one ever says anything directly about it again.

So if you are going to play a weakened team stay quiet and perhaps alude to injuries or tactical changes.

I have got to believe this is one law for the small teams and another for the big boys. Man United often do not play their 'best team' and although it is impossible to prove with them they often state they are resting someone for a bigger game. They (and the likes of Chelsea etc) do usually win in any case (e.g. the League Cup final against Spurs) but their FA cup semi team was below strength and they lost.

Many teams in the League cup could be fined for playing understrength but its a great forum for the younger players to state a claim. OK, in cups you are only damaging yourself but if Chelsea were playing a team in the relegation zone prior to a Euro final say, would they play their best team - no

The link says it was a premier league fine not an FA fine. Not sure if there is a similar FA rule though.

[number 27]

I think this is fair enough. there needs to be some integrity to the competition with all teams facing the same opposition.

How would we feel if, on the final day of the season, Hearts sent an u-19 team to Tannadice and we ended up missing a euro place on goal difference

[Danderhall Hibs]

When was the last time Man U or Chelsea changed all 10 outfield players for a game? McCarthy then went on to say something like "well we can't win anyway so I may as well rest my 1st team for the big game against Hull at the weekend" I wouldn't imagine actually admitting that he's not going to try and win a game will help his case!

[Peevemor]

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I think this is fair enough. there needs to be some integrity to the competition with all teams facing the same opposition.

How would we feel if, on the final day of the season, Hearts sent an u-19 team to Tannadice and we ended up missing a euro place on goal difference

At the end of every season most teams who have 'meaningless' (for them) matches use the opportunity to give a few youngsters a run out. Should they be fined for doing so?

[number 27]

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At the end of every season most teams who have 'meaningless' (for them) matches use the opportunity to give a few youngsters a run out. Should they be fined for doing so?

In most cases though, they do this in games where the result as a whole is fairly meaningless. Most teams will still play a strong team in a game where the opposition are in the middle of a title or relegation battle.

[Peevemor]

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In most cases though, they do this in games where the result as a whole is fairly meaningless. Most teams will still play a strong team in a game where the opposition are in the middle of a title or relegation battle.

I'm not sure that's the case.

[number 27]

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I'm not sure that's the case.

In my opinion it generally is, but if we accept what you say then I will answer your original question by saying that if a team is playing against opponents whose title, relegation or euro hopes are directly influenced by the result, then if they pick a team full of untried youngsters they should risk a fine.

[eezyrider]

When Arsenal etc put out weakened sides the team they put out is still one capable of winning the match. In this respect the 'Strongest Team' is taken to mean the 'strongest team needed to win the match'.

What McCarthy did was tantamount to throwing the game - and it was compounded when he admitted as much to the press. He got let off lightly in my opinion.

EZ

[Andy74]

It's a dangerous one, players would have every right to complain that the FA are effectively saying they are not first team material.

Teams have a squad and it should be up to the manager to play the players from that squad that he sees fit.

Maybe the difference is the manager should just stay quiet or just simply say that he's the manager and will pick the team as he sees it.

[Franck is God]

there was a lot made of it at the time but any manager should have the ability to pick any team he wants for any game.

United played a mixture of a youth/reserve side away against Hull on the last day of last season because the Champions League final was the following Wednesday, they actuall won on the day but surely that shouldn't negate any fine as it would still have been perceived as a weakened side in what could have been a very important game.

Football associations are within their rights to hand out fines for this sort of thing but they can't wait for the result to do it or they should fine every team every time they lose because clearly they are fielding a weakened side.

[blackpoolhibs]

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In most cases though, they do this in games where the result as a whole is fairly meaningless. Most teams will still play a strong team in a game where the opposition are in the middle of a title or relegation battle.

Man United fielded 10 changes in the last game of the season against Hull, just before the Champions league final. Hull were in a relegation battle of their own, and needed to match or better Newcastles result to stay up. I dont remember Man United being fined?

[bawheid]

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In most cases though, they do this in games where the result as a whole is fairly meaningless. Most teams will still play a strong team in a game where the opposition are in the middle of a title or relegation battle.

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I'm not sure that's the case.

My memory may be playing tricks on me but did the Yams not send out a pretty inexperienced team for the last game of their season at Pittodrie a few years ago? Aberdeen needed to win big and hope Hibs lost heavily against Rangers at Easter Road to get into Europe.

If not the Merricks were certainly hoping they would.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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I dont remember Man United being fined?

Didn't they win that match? Kind of proves that the team fielded were a capable EPL team doesn't it?