Video technology to help referees

[Hibbyradge]

One of the principle arguments against using video evidence is that the game would be too "start/stop".

If each team were allowed a couple of challenges per game, I think it would work. Teams would only challenge crucial, borderline decisions, imo.

How many controversial incidents are there in a game on average anyway?

I'm off to watch the huns game to see if there are any tonight.

It would be interesting if someone would do this for the next couple of our home games too.

[Hibbyradge]

Possibly a challenge by Stuttgart after they had a goal from a freekick ruled offside.

Ref's decision would have been upheld though, imo.

[H18sry]

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One of the principle arguments against using video evidence is that the game would be too "start/stop".

If each team were allowed a couple of challenges per game, I think it would work. Teams would only challenge crucial, borderline decisions, imo.

How many controversial incidents are there in a game on average anyway?

I'm off to watch the huns game to see if there are any tonight.

It would be interesting if someone would do this for the next couple of our home games too.

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Possibly a challenge by Stuttgart after they had a goal from a freekick ruled offside.

Ref's decision would have been upheld though, imo.

.Netter in talking to himself shocker

[hibsboy90]

Would also mean that if a player had dived, then the captain would ask them before using a 'challenge' and they may admit to have simulated.

Or maybe that's wishful thinking?

[Scooter]

I think something like they do in American football. Where you get one challenge per half. If you win your challenge you keep your challenge ( to challenge again) and your time out. Lose your challenge and you lose a time out and the ability to challenge again in that half.

Football could do the same but instead of time out you lose subs. So you can challenge but if you lose your going to lose a sub?


Good idea,no?

[Hibbyradge]

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Wouldn't work that way. a couple of challenges early on disputed, then a couple later on would bring calls to extend the insanity to 4 challenges, then 6, then 8 then......

Crucial, borderline? the ref is in no doubt but others think it's a borderline decision?

The game isn't that bad that we should try to ruin it.

Opinions eh?

Teams would only challenge crucial decisions. Not fouls or offsides if there wasn't a goal.

They wouldn't be so stupid to challenge a throw in or a corner or else they might use them up before something, like Henry's handball, happened.

I doubt there would have been any challenges in the first half of the Rangers game. so far. Possibly one, but even then Stuttgart seemed to accept the ref's decision.

Most games have no major incidents/controvesial talking points, imo.

[sixtwo]

I'm a big fan of having an additional 'assistant referee' behind the goal area. I think this is the best solution. I seen it in action in a game on tv, it was a celtic game in the uefa cup this year. I think it worked a treat.

Most replays would be used for penalties and goal line clearances etc. A well placed assistant would be able to call it right and do it quickly.

An additional benefit of this would be cost. If we are going to introduce video technology, it should be the same for everyone. we all know that there is not tv camera at every game. Not every team will be able to afford to install the required technology.

[Hibbyradge]

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Teams would only challenge crucial decisions. Not fouls or offsides if there wasn't a goal.

They wouldn't be so stupid to challenge a throw in or a corner or else they might use them up before something, like Henry's handball, happened.

I doubt there would have been any challenges in the first half of the Rangers game. so far. Possibly one, but even then Stuttgart seemed to accept the ref's decision.

Most games have no major incidents/controvesial talking points, imo.[/QUOTE]

ergo, we don't need to use the technology

We do when there are major controversies.

e.g. Henry's handball. Goals which are disallowed cos the ref thinks it went past the post. Goals which don't cross the line etc.

Why are you opposed to that?

[ancient hibee]

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I think something like they do in American football. Where you get one challenge per half. If you win your challenge you keep your challenge ( to challenge again) and your time out. Lose your challenge and you lose a time out and the ability to challenge again in that half.

Football could do the same but instead of time out you lose subs. So you can challenge but if you lose your going to lose a sub?


Good idea,no?

I agree ,no

[Hibbyradge]

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I'm a big fan of having an additional 'assistant referee' behind the goal area. I think this is the best solution. I seen it in action in a game on tv, it was a celtic game in the uefa cup this year. I think it worked a treat.

Most replays would be used for penalties and goal line clearances etc. A well placed assistant would be able to call it right and do it quickly.

An additional benefit of this would be cost. If we are going to introduce video technology, it should be the same for everyone. we all know that there is not tv camera at every game. Not every team will be able to afford to install the required technology.

Why does it have to be the same for everyone? Surely we should get things right where we can?

It could be a requirement for the SPL, EPL, World Cup, Euro Championships etc.

There is already different technology in use for these competitions compared to lower leagues. e.g. Injury time/substitution boards, mic'ed up referees, technical areas etc.

[Hibbyradge]

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I've watched replay after replay and still heard commentators argue about a decision.
The game is really simple with the man in the middle the one that makes the decisions, right or wrong.
Would the tv help or undermine.
It could erode the game instead of helping it.

I'm just not convinced it'll help, nor am I convinced my opinion will be taken into account.
Not even sure the majority opinion would be taken into account. whatever the tips the scale towards the best bank balance will win the day.

Again an opinion

I'm not taking it into account.

[LancashireHibby]

If it ends in a goal, then the game has stopped anyway. To me, that's the only situation it should be used in, or it'd take hours for a game to finish.

If anything, the only query would be how far back in the play do you go to look for an infringement. The easy enough would be a 'passage of play', but how would you define that?

[ancient hibee]

I'm musing tonight.

Scenario--

Ball cleared off the line straight down the other end-shot for goal handled on line-penalty and red card-video ref says oops excuse me it's actually a goal from the first incident.Penalty cancelled-does ref recall player red carded as that passage of play never existed?but the player didn't know that when he handled.Meanwhile nobody in the crowd has a scooby as to what's going on.Is it true American football matches last over 3 hours despite the playing time being 1 hour?

Time for my cocoa.

[Hibbyradge]

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If it ends in a goal, then the game has stopped anyway. To me, that's the only situation it should be used in, or it'd take hours for a game to finish.

If anything, the only query would be how far back in the play do you go to look for an infringement. The easy enough would be a 'passage of play', but how would you define that?

I agree it should be when the ball goes out of play, as you say, usually when a goal is scored, or disallowed.

Controversial penalty decisions could be looked at their and then too, if challenged.

However, the challenge should be made when the incident occurs.

For example, if a shot is cleared off the line and the attacking team think it was in, they can immediately inform the ref of their intention to challenge.

[Hibbyradge]

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I'm musing tonight.

Scenario--

Ball cleared off the line straight down the other end-shot for goal handled on line-penalty and red card-video ref says oops excuse me it's actually a goal from the first incident.Penalty cancelled-does ref recall player red carded as that passage of play never existed?but the player didn't know that when he handled.Meanwhile nobody in the crowd has a scooby as to what's going on.Is it true American football matches last over 3 hours despite the playing time being 1 hour?

Time for my cocoa.

Yes. Goal awarded. No penalty, no red card.

Otherwise the decisions would all be wrong.

But seriously, how often does that happen in a season, in a whole league? Possibly once every few years.

It wouldn't slow the game down at all. In fact, given that the first team would all be chasing the referee and getting booked for their trouble, it would probably speed things up and stop the dissent.

[LancashireHibby]

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I agree it should be when the ball goes out of play, as you say, usually when a goal is scored, or disallowed.

Controversial penalty decisions could be looked at their and then too, if challenged.

However, the challenge should be made when the incident occurs.

For example, if a shot is cleared off the line and the attacking team think it was in, they can immediately inform the ref of their intention to challenge.

I think rather than having a 'challenge', such a situation would require an official to be watching the game on video, and bring the incident to the attention of the referee, who would then stop the game and consult with said official, in the same way that they can stop the game at any point and consult their linesmen when they miss an incident.

[Hibbyradge]

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I think rather than having a 'challenge', such a situation would require an official to be watching the game on video, and bring the incident to the attention of the referee, who would then stop the game and consult with said official, in the same way that they can stop the game at any point and consult their linesmen when they miss an incident.

I'm ok with that too.

[LancashireHibby]

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I'm ok with that too.

Would just need an alternative to the linesman waving his flag. How about a taser?

[Hibbyradge]

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Would just need an alternative to the linesman waving his flag. How about a taser?

Tempting, but a microphone might suffice.

[LancashireHibby]

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Tempting, but a microphone might suffice.

Would be useless then competing against the defeaning roar of the PBS

[Hibbyradge]

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Would be useless then competing against the defeaning roar of the PBS

We should all be issued with tasers for those games.

[Hibs7]

4 firkin linesmen with a quarter of the pitch each, simples really.

[Hibbyradge]

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4 firkin linesmen with a quarter of the pitch each, simples really.

Cameras are much cheaper.

And less bribeable. Romanov, V. 2004 - 2009

[dangermouse]

IIRC goal-line technology was trialled by FIFA at a youth tournament some years ago which informed a referee if the ball had gone out of play over any touchline.

This seems the most simple and cost effective way of helping a referee with decisions as was it/wasn't it over the line are the ones that ultimately decide matches. It would also have made all the Huns sit down and shut up when Ross Chisholm cleared the ball off the line last season

[Hibs7]

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Cameras are much cheaper.

And less bribeable. Romanov, V. 2004 - 2009

Nothing wrong with creating employment in these difficult times.

[hibhib7]

Years ago, in the Drybrough Cup, they experimented with extending the 18-yard line to the touchline - anywhere between the lines was onside, regardless. It resulted in Arthur Duncan running back and forward along the line with Sandy Jardine chasing him. Totally farcical, and the experiment was scrapped. Before we start making changes to laws we should try a mini-tournament (doesn't have to be SPL teams) with all the video evidence, that some people are advocating, used. I'm pretty sure it would prove unworkable - refs, or fourth officials, or whoever, would still have to decide when to order replays etc and when not. It would, in my opinion, be more controversial than the present system.

[LancashireHibby]

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I'm pretty sure it would prove unworkable - refs, or fourth officials, or whoever, would still have to decide when to order replays etc and when not. It would, in my opinion, be more controversial than the present system.

It'd be no different to the linesman flagging for an offence and the referee consulting them, except they'd be watching a replay rather than discussing the incident with their assistant.

[cwilliamson85]

I feel it should only be able to challenge if it changes the game.

A goal
A sending off

That’s.3 challenges a game.

Also who would cover the challenges? Sky TV or will each club have to get cameras on goal posts and at key points on the field?

[hibhib7]

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It'd be no different to the linesman flagging for an offence and the referee consulting them, except they'd be watching a replay rather than discussing the incident with their assistant.

Who would order the replay and what happens if he doesn't and it subsequently turns out that he should have? The whole situation would get really messy. But, like I said earlier, why not set up a pre-season mini-tournament and see what it throws up?

[LancashireHibby]

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Who would order the replay and what happens if he doesn't and it subsequently turns out that he should have? The whole situation would get really messy. But, like I said earlier, why not set up a pre-season mini-tournament and see what it throws up?

Either the referee decides that he wants another look at it, or a video official signals to the referee that an offence has occured, in the same way that the linesman would.