Hibs hold record for league goals per game

**LHWM** · 29-09-2009 11:34 AM

I answered a query on JKB regards Hearts record breaking 132 goals in 1957-58.

I then did a query on league goals per game across the UK. I was surprised to find that Hibs have the top 2 highest ratio goals per game in the UK; in their first 2 seaons in 'Division 2' . With 5.11... and 4.611...

Rangers are the best 'Top division' side with the all conquering 1898-99 team.

The side in 1893-94 were refused 'election' to 'Division 1'.

Of the top 20
The majority (14) were in the 1890s

there are only 3 post WWII sides

1 1894-95 Hibernian L2 511111 games = 18
2 1893-94 Hibernian L2 461111 games = 18
3 1898-99 Rangers L1 438888 games = 18
4 1946-47 Dundee L2 434615 games = 26
5 1937-38 Raith Rovers L2 417647 games = 34
6 1898-99 Port Glasgow Athletic L2 416666 games = 18
7 1892-93 Birmingham City 2 409090 games = 22
8 1898-99 Kilmarnock L2 405555 games = 18
9 1893-94 Cowlairs L2 400000 games = 18
10 1897-98 Rangers L1 394444 games = 18
11 1957-58 Heart Of Midlothian L1 388235 games = 34
11 1935-36 Falkirk L2 388235 games = 34
13 1899-00 Rangers L1 383333 games = 18
14 1894-95 Airdrieonians L2 377777 games = 18
14 1895-96 Heart Of Midlothian L1 377777 games = 18
16 1963-64 Morton L2 375000 games = 36
17 1893-94 Birmingham City 2 367857 games = 28
18 1897-98 Port Glasgow Athletic L2 366666 games = 18
18 1899-00 Morton L2 366666 games = 18

**LHWM** · 29-09-2009 11:40 AM

The scores were

1893-08-19 Sat Thistle 1 Hibs 2 Scottish League A 500 Paddy Murray;A Howie; Report--->
1893-08-26 Sat Hibs 9 Morton 2 Scottish League H 1000 J Kennedy;missing;missing;missing;missing;missing;mi ssing;missing;missing; Report--->
1893-09-09 Sat Clyde 0 Hibs 4 Scottish League A 3000 A Howie;McCorkendale;J Murphy;W Smith; Report--->
1893-09-16 Sat Hibs 7 Abercorn 2 Scottish League H Own Goal(A Cuthbertson);J McGeachan;missing;missing;missing;missing;missing; Report--->
1893-09-30 Sat Northern 2 Hibs 2 Scottish League A W Smith;W Smith; Report--->
1893-10-07 Sat Hibs 3 Cowlairs 4 Scottish League H Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1893-10-21 Sat Port Glasgow Athletic 3 Hibs 3 Scottish League A Howe;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1893-11-04 Sat Hibs 4 Thistle 0 Scottish League H 1000 Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1893-11-25 Sat Hibs 8 Motherwell 2 Scottish League H 2000 Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Mi ssing;Missing; Report--->
1893-12-02 Sat Morton 0 Hibs 1 Scottish League A Missing; Report--->
1894-02-03 Sat Hibs 6 Partick Thistle 1 Scottish League H 4000 Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1894-03-03 Sat Abercorn 3 Hibs 3 Scottish League A Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1894-03-10 Sat Hibs 4 Clyde 3 Scottish League H Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1894-03-17 Sat Cowlairs 2 Hibs 3 Scottish League A Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1894-03-31 Sat Partick Thistle 1 Hibs 7 Scottish League A 1500 Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Mi ssing; Report--->
1894-04-07 Sat Hibs 6 Northern 0 Scottish League H 500 Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1894-04-14 Sat Motherwell 2 Hibs 1 Scottish League A Missing; Report--->
1894-05-19 Sat Hibs 10 Port Glasgow Athletic 1 Scottish League H Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Mi ssing;Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->

***judas*** · 29-09-2009 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by LHWM

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I answered a query on JKB regards Hearts record breaking 132 goals in 1957-58.

I then did a query on league goals per game across the UK. I was surprised to find that Hibs have the top 2 highest ratio goals per game in the UK; in their first 2 seaons in 'Division 2' . With 5.11... and 4.611...

Rangers are the best 'Top division' side with the all conquering 1898-99 team.

The side in 1893-94 were refused 'election' to 'Division 1'.
1 1894-95 Hibernian L2 511111 games = 18
2 1893-94 Hibernian L2 461111 games = 18

Many thanks for making this particular point.

I posted some time ago with a refusal to accept that Hearts had won 4 top league titles and making the point that the correct figure is 3.

My argument is, that Hearts effectively invited themselves to play in the top league and voted to refuse a rampant Hibs side entry. Naturally the admission of Hibs to this league would have threatened Hearts title hopes in the 1893-94 season.

It is not a valid competition, when you decide who does and who doesn't play in it.

I know that Hibs were invited to play in the first European Cup, but the difference is that we were invited by the top European Authority of the time, with the cooperation of teams like Real Madrid.

As far as I am concerned Hibs have won 4 legitimate league titles and Hearts 3. As a matter of interest, excluding Hibs first foray into Europe, we still have a better European Record than Hearts.

**Liberal Hibby** · 29-09-2009 12:05 PM

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The scores were

1893-08-19 Sat Thistle 1 Hibs 2 Scottish League A 500 Paddy Murray;A Howie; Report--->
1893-08-26 Sat Hibs 9 Morton 2 Scottish League H 1000 J Kennedy;missing;missing;missing;missing;missing;mi ssing;missing;missing; Report--->
1893-09-09 Sat Clyde 0 Hibs 4 Scottish League A 3000 A Howie;McCorkendale;J Murphy;W Smith; Report--->
1893-09-16 Sat Hibs 7 Abercorn 2 Scottish League H Own Goal(A Cuthbertson);J McGeachan;missing;missing;missing;missing;missing; Report--->
1893-09-30 Sat Northern 2 Hibs 2 Scottish League A W Smith;W Smith; Report--->
1893-10-07 Sat Hibs 3 Cowlairs 4 Scottish League H Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1893-10-21 Sat Port Glasgow Athletic 3 Hibs 3 Scottish League A Howe;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1893-11-04 Sat Hibs 4 Thistle 0 Scottish League H 1000 Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1893-11-25 Sat Hibs 8 Motherwell 2 Scottish League H 2000 Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Mi ssing;Missing; Report--->
1893-12-02 Sat Morton 0 Hibs 1 Scottish League A Missing; Report--->
1894-02-03 Sat Hibs 6 Partick Thistle 1 Scottish League H 4000 Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1894-03-03 Sat Abercorn 3 Hibs 3 Scottish League A Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1894-03-10 Sat Hibs 4 Clyde 3 Scottish League H Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1894-03-17 Sat Cowlairs 2 Hibs 3 Scottish League A Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1894-03-31 Sat Partick Thistle 1 Hibs 7 Scottish League A 1500 Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Mi ssing; Report--->
1894-04-07 Sat Hibs 6 Northern 0 Scottish League H 500 Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1894-04-14 Sat Motherwell 2 Hibs 1 Scottish League A Missing; Report--->
1894-05-19 Sat Hibs 10 Port Glasgow Athletic 1 Scottish League H Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Mi ssing;Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->

That Missing was some player - 71 goals in a season including 10 in a single game...

**LHWM** · 29-09-2009 12:15 PM

And 1894-95

Missing is still some player.

1894-08-18 Sat Hibs 5 Partick Thistle 1 Scottish League H 2000 W Smith;missing;Neil;missing;missing; Report--->
1894-09-01 Sat Abercorn 1 Hibs 5 Scottish League A Paddy Murray;Amos;missing;missing;missing; Report--->
1894-09-08 Sat Hibs 8 Dundee Wanderers 2 Scottish League H Allan Martin;missing;missing;missing;missing;missing;mis sing;missing; Report--->
1894-09-15 Sat Hibs 6 Airdrieonians 1 Scottish League H McLachlan;Paddy Murray;J Murphy;Neil;Neil;J Kennedy; Report--->
1894-10-06 Sat Motherwell 2 Hibs 0 Scottish League A ; Report--->
1894-10-13 Sat Morton 1 Hibs 7 Scottish League A Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Mi ssing; Report--->
1894-10-20 Sat Hibs 6 Morton 3 Scottish League H Allan Martin;Allan Martin;Allan Martin;J Murphy;Barns;missing; Report--->
1894-11-03 Sat Hibs 4 Abercorn 2 Scottish League H Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1894-11-10 Sat Dundee Wanderers 0 Hibs 6 Scottish League A Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1894-11-17 Sat Renton 3 Hibs 2 Scottish League A Allan Martin;W Smith; Report--->
1894-12-22 Sat Hibs 8 Cowlairs 2 Scottish League H Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Mi ssing;Missing; Report--->
1895-02-02 Sat Hibs 5 Motherwell 0 Scottish League H 1000 Paddy Murray;W Smith;M Murray;missing;missing; Report--->
1895-03-09 Sat Port Glasgow Athletic 2 Hibs 2 Scottish League A Missing;Missing; Report--->
1895-03-16 Sat Cowlairs 2 Hibs 8 Scottish League A Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Mi ssing;Missing; Report--->
1895-04-06 Sat Hibs 3 Port Glasgow Athletic 3 Scottish League H M Murray;missing;missing; Report--->
1895-04-13 Sat Partick Thistle 0 Hibs 4 Scottish League A 3000 Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1895-05-04 Sat Hibs 9 Renton 1 Scottish League H Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing;Mi ssing;Missing;Missing; Report--->
1895-05-25 Sat Airdrieonians 2 Hibs 4 Scottish League A Missing;Missing;Missing;Missing; Report--->

**LHWM** · 29-09-2009 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by judas

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Many thanks for making this particular point.

I posted some time ago with a refusal to accept that Hearts had won 4 top league titles and making the point that the correct figure is 3.

My argument is, that Hearts effectively invited themselves to play in the top league and voted to refuse a rampant Hibs side entry. Naturally the admission of Hibs to this league would have threatened Hearts title hopes in the 1893-94 season.

It is not a valid competition, when you decide who does and who doesn't play in it.

I know that Hibs were invited to play in the first European Cup, but the difference is that we were invited by the top European Authority of the time, with the cooperation of teams like Real Madrid.

As far as I am concerned Hibs have won 4 legitimate league titles and Hearts 3. As a matter of interest, excluding Hibs first foray into Europe, we still have a better European Record than Hearts.

Elections were still taking place when Hibs won the title in 1903.

Hibs were 'invited' by the SFA 2 or 3 further times into Fairs City Cup when they did not deserve it on 'merit'. Hearts also benefited from this once.

Kilmarnock being the main team to miss out.

Hearts missed out in 1970 when the 'one team per city' rule meant their 4th place was irrelevant because Hibs finished 3rd.

***Viva_Palmeiras*** · 29-09-2009 12:33 PM

Interesting stuff as always - what about peaks and troughs (ie. you've given us the highs what about he lows)?

Also do you have any records on Hibs penalty records? In 100 years of Hibs it states that ET was the Penalty King just wondered what that translated to in terms of goals/convesion rate - but reckon such stats probably dont exist...

**LHWM** · 29-09-2009 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by loko

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Interesting stuff as always - what about peaks and troughs (ie. you've given us the highs what about he lows)?

Also do you have any records on Hibs penalty records? In 100 years of Hibs it states that ET was the Penalty King just wondered what that translated to in terms of goals/convesion rate - but reckon such stats probably dont exist...

I've got them for Derbies up to 1950 and then from 1996 onwards.