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What a complete and utter shambles.
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07-08-2009 10:47 AM #1
Only in scotland.
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07-08-2009 10:55 AM #2This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Completely agree.
And whats happens if the appeal is upheld. Yes, the results are declared null and void, but it leaves all these clubs involved then needing to play further matches against the teams moved back. As many of the teams are part-time, what happens if they are unable to secure their players availability for the enevitable midweek matches.
Not to mention, what happens if a player is injured/booked/sent off in a game against livi/airdrie/cowdenbeath, and then the result is declared null and void?
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07-08-2009 11:02 AM #3
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Unbelievable gary, couldn't happen anywhere else. What a farce!Alcohol IS the answer, but I forget the question...
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07-08-2009 11:04 AM #4
Will Livi turn up for their Third Division match against E. Stirlingshire? And if they do and E.Stirlingshire win, they aren't going to be too happy to lose the three points at some later date.
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07-08-2009 11:32 AM #5
If there is a farce to create, we can rely on those in charge of scottish football to do it.
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07-08-2009 11:50 AM #6
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07-08-2009 11:55 AM #7This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
By putting them in Div3, they have killed the club off for certain and also caused a large line of complications in the process.
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07-08-2009 11:56 AM #8
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If they had done that they'd have effectively been saying it's ok to break the rules.
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07-08-2009 11:59 AM #9This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteMadness, as you know, is a lot like gravity. All it takes is a little push.
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07-08-2009 12:00 PM #10
Whilst I agree that it is a total shambles, there a number of countries that have had far worse scandles or administrative cock-ups than Scotland and not just from countries where it might be 'expected' (if you ever read the magazine 'When Saturday Comes', there is at least 1 example per issue).
What desperately needs to happen in Scotland is for there to be 1 ruling body, rather than 3. Doesn't seem like the turkeys will vote for Christmas, though.
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07-08-2009 12:01 PM #11
Livi's precarious position has been known for 6 months or more. The SFL (and SPL fo that matter) should have systems in place that ensure the viability of clubs.
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07-08-2009 12:05 PM #12
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If the games are declared null and void will the fans get their money back....................my money is on no and they will be expected to shell out again for the replcament fixture.
Utter joke, it takes them far to long to make a decision on things.
We are still awaiting the outcome of McDonald, Loovens & Lafferty incidents from last season and the obligatory fine that Hearts will get for the moron running up to Riordan and collapsing. These all happend about 3 months ago.
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07-08-2009 12:52 PM #13
Apologies not been following all the ins/outs:
BUT:
If the consortium's business plan was dependent on playing in the 1st division. I'm surprised when they met the SFL the consortium didn't get this across.
So either
A) Not all the cards were on the table
B) There was a misunderstanding or assumption made that was blown out the water
C) (Additionally?) Theres a bit of brinkmanship gone wrong
Should have been sorted out way before now tho surely?
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07-08-2009 12:55 PM #14This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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07-08-2009 01:00 PM #15This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The stumbling block for the consortium seems to be the £720,000 bond, which was asked to secure their fixtures in Div 1 would be met. The consortium would've given stability to the club and wipe out most of the debt bit the bond was a tad too much for them to take.
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07-08-2009 01:19 PM #16This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I'm fairly sure McGruther made this plain in the press before the meeting with the SFL. he would have been present at that meeting, and I can't imagine he wouldn't have made the situation clear. It would be part of his duty as administrator.
The SFL and SFA should have been into the situation much sooner, of course, rather than leaving the decision to the week of the start of the playing season.
What they SHOULD now do, having made the mess of it that they HAVE done, is postpone the three games and fast-track the appeal to be held in the next few days. The three games could then be played later in the season.
Results can be scrubbed and red/yellow cards rescinded, but if any of the players receives a serious injury on Saturday playing in a match which then turns out to be meaningless....
As bh says - only in Scotland.
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07-08-2009 02:05 PM #17This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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07-08-2009 02:12 PM #18This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I think this decision also shows that they have made their mind up, regardless. So any appeal would be futile anyway. I had always thought it was a point deduction for going into administration?
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07-08-2009 02:13 PM #19This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Gotta laugh eh ! Since the days of Jim Farry and Ernie Walkers think tank, they seem to eclipse themselves with every passing year..
You have to ask as well, should Scotland really have three governing bodies..
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07-08-2009 03:21 PM #20
This is a joke!
The english must be laughing at how poor our league formatS are. They will just get to see how bad it is in comparison to thier great standard of football with the exposure on Sky.
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07-08-2009 03:33 PM #21This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
THREE? Three would be an improvement.
What about the Junior FA? And the Womens' game? And Schools/Juveniles? And the Amateurs? None of whom would surely want to come any closer under the umbrella of what passes for a governing body at Hampden Park?
We have a real talent in Scottish football for watching a situation going slowly but determinedly pear-shaped while doing nothing about it.
It's no accident that the top governing body for the sport in Scotland is the SFA. 'Cos that's all the good they are.
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07-08-2009 03:42 PM #22
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07-08-2009 05:19 PM #23This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
That was always the way to approach this. Where do they find these jumped-up blazers to run Scottish football? They haven't a clue.
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07-08-2009 05:28 PM #24
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It seems to me that the automatic penalty for going into administration should be a 30 point penalty-no ifs and buts and everyone knows the rules.However in their eagerness to punish Gretna a precedent has been set.All football below SPL level is a joke and the quicker some of these clubs go to the wall the better-we've got far too many senior clubs-unless Dunfermline get a big club in a cup I suspect they have already had their biggest gate of the season in the friendly against us.The new regime at Livingston was not going to clear the debts but just try and manage them better.As they owe over £1M they are never going to trade out of it.
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07-08-2009 05:39 PM #25This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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07-08-2009 05:46 PM #26This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The Junior teams in Scotland should get more of a chance - if they want it.
Maybe they don't.......
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07-08-2009 05:55 PM #27This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
This incident is a mess but rules are rules and Livi shouldn't be treated any different from Gretna
Also surely Hibs 0-0 away to Blackburn shows that on a one off game, an SPL team can compete with an EPL one.
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07-08-2009 06:07 PM #28This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
**** them
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07-08-2009 06:48 PM #29
Not certain how much is really the SFL fault given the brinkmanship of the previous owner and the present consortium. Remember the crunch did not really come until recently,when the council pulled the plug.
The SFL probably should not have tried to help Livi, as it was already too late. I did not see anyone saying that too loudly. Since then the two 'buyers' have definitely failed to follow through as expected. I cannot believe that the SFL and the Administrator did not make it clear about the consequences of failure to meet the demands. Are we simply seeing a game of bluff to try to push the bond value down?
Why, for example, did Livi not appeal on the 5th rather than wait until hours before the new season? From an SFL perspective the alternative was to play the 3rd division one team down. Neither option was good. Worst still would have been for Livi to fold mid season, hence the bond. Not playing the arranged game should in itself incurr Livi a severe penalty.
If you want the real problem look to those involved in the running of Livi now and recently.
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07-08-2009 07:03 PM #30
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I don't think the prospective owners can be blamed for the mess caused by previous owners. I think they see a club they can run sensibly, with more realistic aspirations than the last two owners.
If Livingston do fold, West Lothian will have the largest population in Scotland without a league team. If you're then looking for a replacement, Livingston will be the most sensible place to put it, due to the stadium, so it would be sensible for the SFL to try to save them. I suspect that the relegation has been a vote by clubs only interested in their short term advantage.
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