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It's begun! Conference League starting soon, and a bunch of pre-season friendlies ongoing too.
Good day for some premiership teams.
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/footb...-fared-3295550
Can’t see Hamilton back for a while.
See Rangers first pre-season game was tonight. And guess what, they got a penalty 😂 couldn't make it up.
Beat Partick 1-0 incidentally. Missed the pen though.
Dundee 1-0 West Ham
Charlie Adam 14Quote:
Originally Posted by Tambo
Just checked the line up and a few first team players for West Ham.Quote:
Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS
Dundee 2 v 0 West Ham
Paul McMullan
Not only are Dundee showing us up in preseason, they're already three places ahead of us in the league. Ross out.
Dundee 2 v 1 West Ham
Baptiste
Dundee 2 v 2 West Ham. FT
Bowen pen
Premier Sports Scottish League Cup
Edinburgh City v Hamilton Academicals
kick off 7.45 pm
Kelty Hearts v Dundee United
kick off 7.45 pm
Live on Premier Sports
Let's see if Odoffin playsQuote:
Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS
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Kelty Hearts Vs Dundee Uts on premier sports
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Come on Dundee Utd get into these hearts *******s.
It’s a sell out for Edin city v Hamilton tonight
Kelty are all over them
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Edinburgh City 0 v 1 Hamilton
C Smith
1-0 United
Shankland
Get in there 1-0 Utd.
Was flicking through YouTube and Huddersfield v Harrogate is on live.
Mark Oxley in goal for Harrogate Town. Blast from the past ha.
Lots of league cup games on today. I noticed Brechin are 40/1 at home to Livingston, are they starting with less players or something?
Tranmere 1-0 huns. Few minutes left.
The big team start their journey for wee cup success.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
FT, Gerrard outQuote:
Originally Posted by Tambo
Motherwell 0 v 2 Millwall FT
Brechin City 0 v 1 Livingston
Levein outQuote:
Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS
Commentary on Sportsound is Partick jabs v dunfermline. Can't believe they are not at Peterhead.
1 nil to the jabs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Sorry, I keep hearing jabs on the news 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Blurry Face
Hearts winning 6-1
On the foul count 😉
Pars equalise
Pars now lead Partick 2-1
****bos still level with Peterhead reserves
1-0 the gimps at peterhead
mackay-steven
0 1 to Rovers v Cowdenbeath
Harry Wraggs 1 Dunfy 3
3-1 to the pars.
Gimps ????
Just a wild swipe in the dark here, hearts ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garymcl
1-0 to Killie, Fraser Murray
Charlton 0 v 2 Celtic
bit of a hammering for the maryhill magyars 1-4
Brechin 0 v 2 Livi
Fyvie on Fire. Stirling Albion are terrified.
Starman 4/1 bolts up at Newmarket 😃
Jason Naismith scored for them too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Reminder… Brazil v Argentina Copa America final at 1am U.K. time - BBC 1 and iPlayer online.
Great goal Di Maria
A Beaut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
Argentina 1 Brazil 0 (30 mins in)
Mrs asked before going to bed "are the winners of this match playing England in the final tomorrow?" banging head against the wall as I type.
Dreadful game of football this
Not great mate. Lots of talent on the pitch but non stop niggly fouls and players rolling over for the fun of it. We've debated Immobile, Kane and Sterling etc in the Euros but they are strictly division two compared to these guys in the play acting stakes. Still an interesting game but could have been so much more. Good to see and hear 7000 fans in the stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Willis1875
Congratulations Argentina, first title since 1993.
Far from a classic, worth staying up till 3 am for? Not really, a bit of a shocker to be honest.
Neither of these two South American giants get near there European counterparts at next years World Cup on that showingQuote:
Originally Posted by Lancs Harp
Haha neymar giruy
I can't believe it's Messi's first Copa America !
Delighted for Messi. A major international honour was the only thing missing from his locker. The very greatest of all time.
Neymar tears are glorious. Just glorious.
Don’t think a game like that would be allowed to go the way it did without a South American ref. Think Argentina could do well next yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Willis1875
I'm just heading out to celebrate here in Buenos Aires :greengrin
France won the World Cup when I lived in France, Argentina pick up the Copa America when I'm here, maybe I need to head back to Scotland :greengrin
The Obelisco is the place to be now by the looks of it!Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
Glad the GOAT got his international trophy. You could see how much it meant to him at the final whistle.
Rodrigo De Paul was the best player on the park for me, he was immense throughout.
What he spent the whole time fouling Neymar. Brasil deserved at least a draw and in the second half really took the game to Argentina who were cynical foulers and time wasters. Very anti football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Franck
Aye cos neymar is as straight up a footballer you’ll findQuote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
Great to see Messi win an international tournament. Think it's pretty clear he's the best Argentine of all time now.
How quickly can you get to Italy?Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
Not even close to Maradona.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Would disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Willis1875
I don’t think there is any key standout international teams right now. Like the Euros - several teams could easily win the World Cup.
Argentina team isn’t the best they have had for the last few years but they played as a team hence the win.
Fantastic for Messi and well deserved.
Lots of sport on today but worth a watch for the tackles and fouls alone - ripped shorts / bloody socks and while it was stop start it was pretty funny entertainment at times.
I agree. He is well ahead. You don't score an extra 400 goals because pitches and team mates are better. 400 ****ing goals. The difference is bigger than the number Maradona scored.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Clubs goals
Messi 683
Maradona 310
International goals
Messi 76
Maradona 34
Aye, but who scored the best goal ever against England 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Did England have a dubious goal scored against them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I thought the commentators would just brush over that.
Strange.
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I'll give him that :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
How do you know that was the goal I meant? 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Did Maradona score another goal against England?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Must be rarely seen
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Rising like a butterfly above Shilton to head the ball, you must hand it to him, a true athlete. Aye there was the other fluke that he scored as well. 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
PeleQuote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Club goals 1283
International goals 95
Includes all games
:greengrin
Not even close? That's just ridiculous. You can make an argument that Maradona was the best ever, I don't think he is but I know plenty people do, but to suggest Messi isn't even close to him is just plain wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Messi is either the best player of all time or very very close to being so.
Peles actual record is nothing like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS
His record that he claims is an absolute nonsense.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Messi isn’t even the best player of his generation, he has remained in his comfort zone banging in goals against average teams in Spain. Messi has never come close to matching what Maradona did for his country and I’d imagine that if there was a poll in Argentina Maradona would win it hands down. Messi is a genius, but Maradona was the greatest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
The old comfort zone of a top league and a top team. Very naive if you think the current Barcelona side is a comfort zone for anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
You have a clear favourite, but you're argument isn't based on any real facts.
Even if Messi is the second best player of this generation, he's better than Maradona.
Also, average teams? Willing to bet his record against Big sides and great teams is also significantly better than Maradona. Most goals in classicos, 2nd most CL goals etc. He wins every head to head.
Maradona had a great World Cup in 86. Messi has just won the Copa as top scorer, assister and best player. No one has ever done that at a major tournament
Look up Wiki if you don’t believe me but I suppose he could just make it up himself on thereQuote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
I prefer to go with the official figures 775 and 75 which are still ahead of Messi and Maradona whichever way you might want to look at it
GOAT imho
I reckon Pele, Maradona and Messi are close to the best players ever to have played the game.
Same goes for Stanton, McGinn, Dalglish, Cruyff, Beckenbauer, Maldini, Charlton and Best. And both the Ronaldos, Viera, Petit, Pires, Henry and Roy Keane.
The rest of you need a wee set of Top Trumps cards to settle your spats.
Edit
And Zidane was probably the most complete player I was lucky enough to ever see in the flesh, even including all of the above.
His Wikipedia suggests he scored 709 in 766 appearances at club level with the vast majority of them being scored in a regional tournament with teams from Sao Paolo.Quote:
Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS
He didn’t fair nearly as well when he played in the proper top tier of Brazilian football where his goals record dropped to about a goal every 1.7 games.
Shabby old Pele!Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
Calling it a regional tournament doesn’t really reflect the high standard - that was just the way it was set up.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
His record when he came to play the top European teams of the time is also excellent.
A quick google of the greatest player ever to play the game and the majority of professional footballers and managers or pundits are saying Leo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
I think his period between 2008-2012 was the highest level of play ever seen in the game by anyone by a considerable difference.
WTF!Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
Scored 643 goals for Santos in 660 appearances 77 goals in 92 for Brazil
In 1958 at the age of 17 he scored a hat-trick versus France in the World Cup Semi Final and a double in the World Cup Final versus Sweden
Is that a high enough standard for you?
:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS
And 3 WC winners medals of course, kicked senseless out of another one.
Remember he thinks that we also now breed super humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS
Pelé or Calumhibee ? 😃Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
I don’t know about Pele’s thoughts on that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS
:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Jim McCalliog... 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Hang on, it was just short of 1300 goals earlier :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS
Just goes to show how much of a nonsense his record really is. In the space of a couple of hours it’s went from nearly 1300 goals to 700ish. Not a kick on the arse off half.
Bit like Joe Jordan against Wales 🤔Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
SPFL STATEMENT
PREMIER SPORTS CUP – EAST KILBRIDE V KILMARNOCK – 10/07/21
Kilmarnock have confirmed to the SPFL that they included Daniel Armstrong in Saturday’s Premier Sports Cup Group G game against East Kilbride at K-Park Training Academy when the player was subject to a one-match Scottish FA suspension in the competition.
Daniel Armstrong entered the field as a 72nd-minute substitute in a match Kilmarnock won 2-0.
As a result, Kilmarnock have been charged with breaching SPFL Rules and Regulations and the SPFL has arranged a disciplinary hearing for Thursday July 15.
Well documented that Pelé scored 500 goals from 500 friendlies for clubs and country taking him up to 1283 which is almost a goal a game throughout his career which is no bad goingQuote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
Facts and figures widely available online
Did Hearts not play an unregistered player. Don’t think they forfeited the points thoughtQuote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Was that the time they forfeited 1 point but kept 2 so that their televised match against Inverness CT still had meaning?Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
SPFL make up the rules as they go along sometimes
Queens Park v Motherwell on Premier Sports tonight, 7.45pm ko