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Best keeper I've seen in hibs shirt by far and I understand its a short career and all that but is this slightly disrespectful?
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Best keeper I've seen in hibs shirt by far and I understand its a short career and all that but is this slightly disrespectful?
As long as he understands that if clubs don't meet our asking price we won't sell.
Get a good fee for him, spend some of it on Bogdan and keep the rest for more players. Win-win.
I imagine theres probably a bit more context to his quotes from his perspective. "Moving forward" seems to mean improving as he's mentioned it a few times in the context of getting better and having good seasons. But he did outright say he looks forward to bigger clubs which I don't really mind because he is 29 and although goalkeepers do last a lot longer he's at the age where it would be right for him to try his hand down south and could be a good keeper for a Derby or Leeds etc.
If he stays great, if he goes then good luck to him and I hope we get a good fee.
I think we only "own" 50% of Rocky.
I'm sure the deal was constructed in a way that some agency, or even his former club, retain 50% ownership. It was the only way we could do the deal to bring him to Hibs.
Rocky has been excellent for us, he's well capable of earning more and playing at a higher level so I wouldn't grudge him his move if it came about, so long as we get good value for him.
Not in any way, shape or form.
IF the comments quoted are correct then look at things from his perspective:
Came on loan initially to us the signed a loan term deal to probably showcase his skills on a British platform. He’s been here three years and has came off his best and most consistent half season, his stock has never been higher and may never get a better chance at this stage of his career to make that one career defining move to make sure his family at comfortable for the rest of his life. I have no problem with the comments, it’s not exactly a Keef Jackshun exclusive either it’s a piece to his national magazine presumably while on international duty. We’ve had good service from him and the arrangement suited all parties.
“I’m healthy, and I finished well, personally, I want to concentrate on the team and there are those who take care of it ... I’m looking forward to moving on to bigger clubs. It gives you a good feeling, you work hard and such interest is an appreciation for yourself, it’s good.”
Disrespectful IMO.
I'm always wary about lending weight to selective quotes from part of a longer interview that can easily look bad taken out of context.
I've been on the receiving end of such an occurence before and it isn't nice at all. A perfectly innocent remark can be totally misconstrued unfairly.
Absolutely nothing wrong with Rocky having ambitions beyond Hibs. In my opinion he could hold his own in some of the top leagues around Europe.
Absolutely nobody gave Mcginn any stick for stating he was ambitious beyond Hibs. Shouldn’t apply here either.
I'd also like to hear the actual interview - the EEN isn't exactly pro-Hibs and I'd bet there's more than one or two 'out of context' remarks in it !
Fair enough to him, but what happened to him being settled in Edinburgh? Perhaps wants to go West or to north England I suppose
I thought he was clearly saying “goodbye” to the club from the way he acted before and after the last game of the season.
Can’t see much difference in the two stories tbh, one has been translated from a different language though.https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...-now-1-4728835
Thought this would be a thread about Shelly Marciano
Watch the highlights of his performance v Spain. I’ve long suspected that any larger clubs looking at him will have seen that and thought “nah”, particularly when they have to consider his mentality re playing at an elite level. Arguably the biggest game of his life and he well and truly *bleeped* the bed!
Edit: found the link. Worse than I remembered!!
https://youtu.be/og29lMwOsWA
Fair enough let's agree to disagree as I see nothing wrong with what he's said. There are plenty bigger clubs than us out there.
Maybe its the old Union member in me showing through...employers showing little loyalty or respect to their staff when the time comes to offload 🤝🏻
Yep. Although they know how to use the media to make it out like we are denying his dream move, unhappy etc etc while trying to take him on the cheap. Any clause in his contract etc Lennon will be more than aware of though. It may also be he wants to make his club back him some good money for being easy to deal with previously.
He seems a good guy, I don’t think we will have a toys out the Oran scenario.
Rocky had a very good half season but I've never really taken to him.
His distribution is very poor and his concentration levels allow him to make the odd howler.
That said, he makes saves that very few other Hibs keepers make.
I do get the feeling that he thinks he's above us, he screwed the nut for half a season to improve his chances of getting a move elsewhere.
If there was any chance of getting Bogdan back, I'd go all out to make that happen.
He deserves a bigger club I think. He's been great for us, don't see any disrespect at all.
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I’m hoping Rocky tipped off Hibs before mouthing off, gives Hibs time to get a replacement in
As ever, it is not altogether stunning that a Hibs player sourced from outside Scotland doesn't see his relatively low wage as something he's content with, and doesn't see Hibs all of a sudden as his everlasting footballing love...
https://twitter.com/kenny_millar/sta...527427584?s=21
Don’t know if anyone has seen the tweet from Kenny Millar on twitter but from reading that I would gather it’s the newspapers exaggerating
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Don't see anything wrong with what he's said. He's been excellent and deserves a big pay day imo. If he moves on he'll go with my blessing. I'd be concerned if we were the hight of his ambitions. I want a team full of ambitious players. It's Hibs. Players will go if they're good enough. Clubs like us, Hearts and even Celtic are just springboards to better things these days.
Was never a fan tbh!
Too many nightmares just lurking there for me
I have to admit his last half season totally changed my mind
He was outstanding
Absolutely brilliant!
If he stays he stays if he goes he goes good luck to the guy
He will always have my support when he is in the HIBS goal
As others have said he would have to repeat that last half season to be up there with the real Hibernian all time great keepers for the next three seasons without any cock ups to be up there in my book
Theres only two Andy Gorams :greengrin
No story here I think. Fair enough, he wouldn’t be human if he didn’t want what’s best for him and his family and he’s publicly saying that now. If nothing else it plants the seed in PH’s mind that keeping goalkeeper options well heated on the back boiler is important.
I’d be gutted to see Rocky go. I don’t see anything wrong with his quotes alright they aren’t great but it’s also likely that the EEN have just fired his quotes from Hebrew into Google Translate and went from there. If his mind set is to use hibs as a stepping stone to bigger teams I think he’s a good example for players we want to attract. Him McGinn McGeouch etc all thrived here knowing we provide a platform to international football and big moves, compare that to a Liam Craig/ Scott Robertson who’s big move would be hibs and look at how they examples worked out. I would always want an ambitious player over a comfy player. If he does go I wouldn’t be against us using a chunk of his fee to give bogdan a wage he’d sign for
Have you seen his wife? Been punching above his weight for a long time 🤤
Bogdan is a better all round keeper, he can play football too. I hope we are smart enough to sign him and make some cash from marciano.
tapped up by Lennon for Celtic?
otherwise I want ambitious players of his ability at hibs. id far rather this than crap we never enjoy or get talked about.
id be signing bogdan and cashing in if he wants to go. if not we have two top keepers. bogdan seemed to love it here so come on down.
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If some bigger club want him, then £10M and he's yours.
It wouldn’t be hard considering the relationship Lennon has with the agent. It’s a tough one though because the agent got us Efe too and got us the perm deal for Rocky and Ambrose. I’m not sure Petrie will want to be done over by law well again. I’ve a feeling there’s a contract clause.
I also expect them to unsettle Martin Boyle mate. Celtic want to offload players so I expect derisory bids with loans offered. Tell you what though, having watched Dembele's debut v Hearts, albeit he is so very young, I'd be more than happy having him on loan for a season (he is going to be an unbelievable talent) as well as Mickey Johnstone. I think they'll offer Lewis Morgan though.
As for Rocky, more than happy to get good cash for him and try and secure Adam Bogdan - solid keeper, good on the deck, and knows the club. I'm sure AB will have decent offers though. I've never been convinced by Dabrowski when I've seen him, and despite following young Paddy Martin since his performance academy days he's too young and raw to be near the first team (cracking lad who will do well in football - head well screwed on and deserves to do well in life).
Brilliant goalkeeper. The save v Dundee at ER last season was the best I’ve ever seen.
No problem with his comments.
This will always happen at hibs. We’ve done well to get 2 seasons out of him.
Good luck from me
Not surprised - he’s a decent keeper and amazed we have kept him so long.
He’s not perfect but solid enough for Hibs and not surprised he has played for his country.
He is a great guy and his family have taken to Hibs so no complaints if he wants to go.
I just hope we have a few names lined up and would happily take Bogdan back who was in great form before his injury.
How long does he have left on his contract anyway? If over a year I can't see us letting him go on the cheap.
Rocky's a tremendous keeper when he's on form. For me, his comment about moving to a bigger club, is borderline disrespectful, considering he's under contract until 2021. Just wish he'd kept his intentions to himself, particularly if the rumours about celtic being interested in signing him are true.
He’s a pretty good keeper, but far from excellent. I remember St Johnstone away in the season just gone when he booted the ball out of play with pretty much every single place kick. He’s a great shot stopper, but as others have said, his distribution is poor. If he wants to leave, fine. And if he wants to stay, fine. He’s totally replaceable.
Cant believe how underrated Rocky is by people judging by some of the above posts.
He has been magnificent for us with an astonishing amount of really top class saves.
Lots of howlers? He's made 2 major mistakes in 3 seasons - Aberdeen cup semi and McDiamid park red card.
Huge loss if he goes.
I think he’s a good keeper, has his flaws like most players. One surprising aspect is the complete lack of interest shown from other clubs. Usually there’s a championship team sniffing etc, but really been nothing during his time here. Some rumors of Celtic, but these are usually started here on .Net.
Brilliant keeper who I'd wish the worst of luck if he went to Celtic!
Anyone know the stats of who kept the most cleaned sheets for us last season?
Remember Bodgan’s debut in Europe, had a nightmare. After that he was top drawer.
Great keeper who will be hard to replace, but not utterly irreplaceable?
No issues at all with him having ambitions beyond Hibs. He has been a good servant for us past 3 years and would go with my very best wishes.
EVERY player will leave at some time.
The good ones, usually of their choosing, and the not so good, usually at the club’s choosing.
Life goes on.....although I haven’t seen a better goalie at Easter Road than Ronnie Simpson...so I’m sure we will survive.
Although that one could’ve done better, your first point is absolute nonsense. This ‘front post’ crap has grown arms and legs, like the Morelos one quoted earlier, he was one on one after Hanlon made a **** of it and he had a 50:50 guess and he guessed wrong, if he stood up to ‘protect’ his front post and he slid it past him into the back post it would still be a goal but not classed as a mistake. Crazy.
Absolutely agree. I can only assume that the some people have forgotten the absolute travesties we’ve had in goals these past 20 years, Simon Brown, Mark Brown, Graeme Smith, Zibi Malkowski, Yves Makalamby....the list goes on.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a pre determined transfer figure where Hibs would have to listen to offers over. Lennon would obviously know the fine details of Rockie’s deal.
Watch it again
The ball goes right through him
Agree Hanlon does not look too clever has to pay to get back into the ground
https://youtu.be/y867uKt-o6A
Kicking and temperament are his biggest weaknesses. Kicking especially. I mention temperament because I think if he makes a mistake in a game he’ll go on to fumble everything. Rarely happens thankfully but certainly seems to have weaknesses there.
Celtic won’t be signing him for number 1 if they are interested. Too risky to play out from the back under pressure with Rocky, even his goal kicks are poor. I think this season alone I’ve seen him send horrible passes to Gray or Stevenson at least 10-20 times. Always putting them under pressure.
We’ll never have a perfect keeper. Bogdan is a more well-rounded goalkeeper. Rocky is a better shot stopper. No issue with Rocky leaving, he has been a good player but will be replaceable. If he wants to leave, please let him leave soon, not at end of window.
The people who think Rocky is being disrespectful need to wise up. Every member of our squad would jump at the chance of a move to a big club with the possibility of earning multiples of their current salary. I'd find it more disrespectful if treated us like idiots and pretended that he would stay at Hibs for the rest of his career only to go back on his word when a bigger club come along.
That’s an outdated view. I agree that in the past that was the accepted view, but the game has changed, strikers have become more aware and the ball has become much lighter. Back in the day it was almost impossible to curl the ball into the far corner from a tight angle, so as long as the keeper guarded his front post he was pretty safe. That doesn’t apply anymore. I was a keeper as a youngster and I can assure you that guarding your near post could make you look pretty stupid at times. The games moved on.
Totally agree. I’d be far more annoyed if we had quality players who were happy just to kick around ER and not have the ambition to go beyond and improve, and move onto bigger and better things. It’s how clubs like hibs work, players come with potential, play very well which wins us games, gets them a move and gets hibs money, we can then afford slightly better players and the cycle continues upwards (if recruited well). McGinn wasn’t shy to say he wanted to move on at some stage, he did but done us a big favour before he went.
Outdated perhaps in the modern day Coaching Manuals but the Christie and Morelos near post gaffes by Rocky are howlers in anyone’s book be it 1960 1990 or 2020
I agree with the points raised in his defence yes he set up the wall versus Aberdeen and the wall let him down and yes Freddo turned Hanlon inside out and Rocky took the wrong option but both were unfortunately preventable goals conceded