Never a penalty that’s shocking
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Never a penalty that’s shocking
Nonsense decision in the Liverpool game.
Jota fell into the keeper. He clearly changes directio to do so.
I originally wanted it, but now i dont. I dont mind goaline tech and penalty decisions, but the offside decisions just do my head in. And dont get me on cheering when a goal is scored, i dont.
I dont enjoy a goal now until the ref has made them kick off again.
Here we go, 2 full minutes before even asking the ref to go and look, another full minute to give the decision. It’s not a penalty for me, Jota looked like he’d stepped into the keeper rather than the other way around but 3 minutes to make that decision is mental.
It's a question of which version of VAR you are referring to.
There have been several iterations of VAR in the English Premier League. Thee first run had VAR interferring everywhere. Then they went though a spell when VAR was very 'light touch' and was very unlikely to change the on-field decision unless the referee agreed. Now it seems to involve asking the referee if they wish to stand by a contentious decision.
That is a shocker of a decision in the Palace game. jota knocked the ball too far ahead with a poor touch then stepped into the keeper. Not a good decision at all. And it took them 2 minutes to make a poor decision
Not that simple though is it. It undoubtedly changes the experience of watching a game, and that’s just on tv, and for me it ruins it.
You could use all sorts of technology and time reviewing to try and get everything spot-on (where do you draw the line, pardon the pun). Or you could leave it as it was.
As it is, we have millions of pounds of technology, stoppages in every game to use computers.. and more arguments about decisions than ever before.
I just seen that Liverpool penalty and that's never pen the problem is not VAR its the referees that think that's a penalty is the problem I'm all for var
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I think that's the intention. VAR will come into play in the later rounds, presumably that means the semis and final. :dunno:
I hate to go all Arsene Wenger on you, but I didn't see the penalty incident today because I'd nipped out to the dump (it had just shut 🙄) but I heard the arguments on Radio 5 live.
From what I heard, it's not VAR that's the problem, it's the way it's used.
However, I'll leave others to argue the merits or otherwise as I'm making this thread my own and that's not a good thing.
In my opinion there are so many problems with it that I can’t see any way in which it would be a benefit to Hibs. Week after week it’s shown down south to still favour the top sides. That game today was embarrassing for me.
Goal line - all for it. Offsides I don’t mind, although I’d change the law (one toe being an inch in front of another toe isn’t an ‘advantage’ to me), clear off the ball violent conduct which the ref hasn’t been able to see yup, although it very rarely happens. Subjective decisions isn’t for me as it leads to serious inconsistencies.
And don’t get me started on the VAR ref watching it for 2 minutes before passing the buck watching the same replay 100 times before telling the ref to go.
Mine would be the old daylight, deepest part of defenders body vs deepest of strikers. Offside rule is there to stop players gaining an advantage and unfortunately it’s gone too far, players are essentially level but for their arse cheek yet get punished for it.
Yep - I would just have it nowhere near any game of football in any competition ever 😁 but I fully accept we’re too far in now for that to happen.
And I agree no issue with goal line technology if it’s simply alerting the referee that the ball has gone over the line and doesn’t involved stopping games and overturning decisions constantly.
In my humble opinion it shouldnt have been a penalty but thinking about it how relevant is Jota being able or not able to get to the ball regrdless of being hit by the keeper? For instance if a ball was drifting out of play and no one could possibly catch the ball and a defender 5 yards away in the penalty area boots/contacts a striker would that not be a penalty? If the offence occured while the ball was still actually in play? In other words is actually being able to catch the ball a red herring in whether an offence has occured or not? Just asking the question.
Unlike a clash of heads when both players hit each other, the defender's head hits the back of the striker's head as he was waiting for the ball to arrive.
He didn't mean it, and he got hurt in the process, but is that not still a foul?
I realise there are still be some controversial VAR decisions, but the obvious mistakes are more or less a thing of the past.
Any consultant doing a decision "force field" will have the benefits of VAR far outweighing any negatives.[/QUOTE]
On the example I gave, and I chose it for this reason - there's an argument that you are right, the defender fouled the striker, there's also an argument that it's an accidental head clash and should be play on (or stop for treatment and then a drop ball), and there's also an argument that the striker is backing into a defender just standing his ground and it should be a defensive free kick. Stick 10 neutral football fans in a room watching that and you won't get unanimous agreement on the right decision. VAR doesn't solve that. Here it was supposed to be only used to correct clear errors by the ref, who in this particular incident waved play on before the VAR assistant got in his ear and he awarded the spot kick. Imagine that was Hibs v Rangers - what do you think the decision would be :wink:
As I said before though, on balance I'm in favour of VAR, just not sure how best to implement it - where there is a clear yes/no decision, like a ball crossing the line, then definitely should be used. Decisions more open to interpretation, it will still raise arguments.