Final League Table

Whilst it is funny to laugh at Hearts and I have.

Hibs tally of 37 points is poor and ending the season below Livvy, St Johnstone and Motherwell (which we have done often) is simply not good enough.

We accuse Hearts fans of not looking closer to home we need to do that. We have taken steps with the new manager but really we should not just let this bang average season pass with no comment. Hearts terrible form has distracted many Hibs fans for our own short commings.

The cup could have changed that we may never know.

What's the league table since we since we sacked hecky? Surely that gives you a better reflection of where we currently are at.

Don't think anyone would deny that this has been a really disappointing season.

Think we've got a great manager in Ross though! And next season will be a considerable improvement.

Looking forward to it already.

Been a long season. Hecky was a mess, overseeing a poor squad of players. we should all be thankful that JR managed to get enough out of them to threaten a top 4 place and has got us to the SC semifinal. Overall, not too shabby.

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Originally Posted by Hibee87

What's the league table since we since we sacked hecky? Surely that gives you a better reflection of where we currently are at.

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I think we may have had the 4th best form under Ross? We might even have been 3rd best at one point.

I think that there are few key things of note:

1) First off Hecky was a train wreck of a manager and that in itself pretty much ruined any hope of a good season.
2) Summer recruitment was yet again poor and I hope lessons have been learned. Too many duds and we've still not addressed a few key issues including defense and a cohesive midfield
3) Jack Ross did pretty well in his time so far, he started very brightly, which I suspect was more to do with the lack of Hecky around, then results began to tail off a little towards the end, with particularly abysmal Home performances against Hearts and Rangers which no manager would want on their record. So a mixed bag really.

Looking forward to next season and I'm confident Jack Ross can help us improve as I think he's shown in his time here he's a good manager who will hopefully build something going forward.

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Originally Posted by Onion

Been a long season. Hecky was a mess, overseeing a poor squad of players. we should all be thankful that JR managed to get enough out of them to threaten a top 4 place and has got us to the SC semifinal. Overall, not too shabby.

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Sorry but you can't just look at the second half of the season. If Hearts had played us and Rangers every week they would have just about have been champions.

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Originally Posted by Sammy7nil

Sorry but you can't just look at the second half of the season. If Hearts had played us and Rangers every week they would have just about have been champions.

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But if we’re judging our current manager we can only judge the time he has been in charge surely, otherwise we would be looking to change things that have already been changed and improved from the poor start to the season.

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Originally Posted by high bee

But if we’re judging our current manager we can only judge the time he has been in charge surely, otherwise we would be looking to change things that have already been changed and improved from the poor start to the season.

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Think the poster means you can't just say that we were poor in the first half of the season because there were times in the second half under JR that we were just as poor.

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Originally Posted by Sammy7nil

Whilst it is funny to laugh at Hearts and I have.

Hibs tally of 37 points is poor and ending the season below Livvy, St Johnstone and Motherwell (which we have done often) is simply not good enough.

We accuse Hearts fans of not looking closer to home we need to do that. We have taken steps with the new manager but really we should not just let this bang average season pass with no comment. Hearts terrible form has distracted many Hibs fans for our own short commings.

The cup could have changed that we may never know.

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Taking the season overrall, I totally agree. However, Hibs took action and changed the manager, after which our form improved a bit.

But you're right, we need to focus on how to improve and make sure we're challenging for Europe, instead of fighting for a top six place.

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Originally Posted by hibby rae

I think we may have had the 4th best form under Ross? We might even have been 3rd best at one point.

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We had the 6th best points total under Ross although only 3 points worse off than the 3rd highest.

The first third of the season was a total disaster, we definitely improved under Ross although the performance and result in the last derby was shocking.

Massive room for improvement, finishing behind Livingston, even with 8 games left, is unacceptable.

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Originally Posted by mcohibs

Think the poster means you can't just say that we were poor in the first half of the season because there were times in the second half under JR that we were just as poor.

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Agree with that point and I can understand the concern given how close to the wind we were sailing prior to JR. I do think we will have poor spells every season though given we are unlikely to challenge for the title.

Opportunities to learn and improve but no root and branch required at the moment IMO as I’d say those running our club have a good track record with a much higher ratio of good vs bad decisions.

The point about being finishing behind St Johnstone etc only applies if we account for Heckys reign too. If JR’s form is applied on an average points basis I’m sure we would be 4th or thereabouts.

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Originally Posted by high bee

But if we’re judging our current manager we can only judge the time he has been in charge surely, otherwise we would be looking to change things that have already been changed and improved from the poor start to the season.

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You are correct to look at the current managers record but we should also look at the full season. Mistakes were made and lessons have to be learned. As another poster has said the end to the season could be described as shaky at best.

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Originally Posted by Sammy7nil

You are correct to look at the current managers record but we should also look at the full season. Mistakes were made and lessons have to be learned. As another poster has said the end to the season could be described as shaky at best.

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Yes I can see your point, us and Hearts were terrible the first half of the season and we could easily have ended up in serious trouble had we recruited a different manager. Let’s hope next season is a good one, outsiders can say what they want about the Scottish League but it takes no prisoners and relegation is only a couple of bad managers/transfer windows away.

2 semi finals and 7th is an OK season imo.

Not good enough in the league, but made up for in the cup

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Originally Posted by Onceinawhile

2 semi finals and 7th is an OK season imo.

Not good enough in the league, but made up for in the cup

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Okay :wink:

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Originally Posted by high bee

Agree with that point and I can understand the concern given how close to the wind we were sailing prior to JR. I do think we will have poor spells every season though given we are unlikely to challenge for the title.

Opportunities to learn and improve but no root and branch required at the moment IMO as I’d say those running our club have a good track record with a much higher ratio of good vs bad decisions.

The point about being finishing behind St Johnstone etc only applies if we account for Heckys reign too. If JR’s form is applied on an average points basis I’m sure we would be 4th or thereabouts.

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Fifth place if we'd had Ross' PPG ratio all season (1.38)

We are definitely heading in the right direction under JR but a long way to go. As another poster said, that last derby performance was up there with the most gutless I've seen. Here's to a fresh start next season and let's kick on

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Originally Posted by Onceinawhile

2 semi finals and 7th is an OK season imo.

Not good enough in the league, but made up for in the cup

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And that I would suggest is what is wrong with some of our support. I hope the board don't think like this and I hope we start demanding more. We shouldn't be finishing behind Livi, St. Johnstone and Motherwell.

Too many points lost from winning positions - 25 by my calculations.

Good to see players coming good, particularly Dougie and Newell. Boyle coming back from injury.


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Under Hecky it was a shambles from the start and it was shocking he wasn't punted earlier as we were certainly heading for a relegation fight if he stayed longer term.

Ross I think has done OK but not fantastic.
- Disappointing defeats to Ross County and Livingston away from home. I seem to remember the Livingston game being an utter shambolic performance. Not one player looked arsed that day.
- Disappointing draws at home to Killie, St. Mirren and Livingston. 3 home games which Hibs should always be winning in theory, however in the context of the season as a whole not really surprising results.
- Aberdeen at home and Hearts away were impressive performances and results and I'll throw in Killie away also.
- Poor versus Celtic and The Rangers, not to even lay a glove on The Rangers at home was also disappointing.
- The utter shambles that was the derby at ER was completely unacceptable performance wise as was the defeat 4 days later at Aberdeen. I said before that game that if he lost the derby and the semi he could go for all I care but I guess we will never know what would have happened.

January signings I wasn't over the moon with. Docherty for Kamberi was good business. Omeonga back was good but he hasn't done much really. McNulty I don't rate at all, and I think the majority would agree that he has been woeful. McGinn has been steady. They all felt like short term signings rather than long term which I guess is to be expected in many ways in January but overall we still need better if we want to be challenging for 3rd. Still waiting on a defensive midfielder ffs. The defence certainly needs an overhaul.


So overall, a mixed bag, so he's done OK with what he has but not amazing. I'd like to see him get his own players in, and get rid of some of the dross. It might be more difficult to do that this summer but just need to wait and see. Jury is still out for me. Fresh start next season, whenever that may be.

Overall for the season - disappointing, largely in part to Hecky and the recruitment team. Too many points lost from winning positions also.

We were minutes away from going bottom of the league ourselves. I am just thankful we got Jack Ross instead of Stendel or similar and finished where we did.

GGTTH

Real mixed bag. Hecky got absolutely nothing out of the signings he made. An absolute fraud. Jack Ross has made a better fist of it but we’ve had a few howlers like the last derby and the abject away defeat to Livi at Christmas. Boyle and Doidge have been the stand outs. Doidge’s form was as big an about turn as a vote from Dundee.

If we can start the season in a more stable position financially than some of our rivals, we will be able to pick up some really good signings to strengthen the squad I think.