So, if Celtic beat Aberdeen in the cup. Do Aberdeen get a European place and are, therefore, out of the hunt for the Euro spot that comes with league placings?
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So, if Celtic beat Aberdeen in the cup. Do Aberdeen get a European place and are, therefore, out of the hunt for the Euro spot that comes with league placings?
​No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
No, they would get Europe based on their league placing. Cup runners-up get nothing
Is this the last season where 3rd place gets guaranteed group stage?
I think soQuote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
3rd place doesn’t get guaranteed group places, it’s the winner of the Scottish Cup. 3rd only gets it if one of the two teams in 1st or 2nd win the cup. 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
But it is the last season that will happen.
Celtic will thump that Aberdeen team in the final.
This worries me about not finishing 3rd this year but at least we are absolutely guaranteed to finish 3rd next season 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
If we start next season playing the way we are then conference league group stages are only the fallback. There’s nothing stopping us winning the playoff and gaining Europa League groups.
In 2023 Aberdeen lost 5-3 on aggregate to BK Haecken. Aberdeen were crap that season.
In 2024 Hearts lost 2-0 on aggregate to Victoria Plzen. Hearts were crap this season.
If we are at our best then there’s nothing stopping us winning a tie of against that calibre of team.
One step at a time though, beat Aberdeen at the weekend, or even draw, and 3rd is well and truly ours to loose.
If Celtic win tomorrow then 5th gets a European place too.
What a shame hearts missed the cutQuote:
Originally Posted by SHODAN
When would the season start for 5th place and how many qualifiers would that be?Quote:
Originally Posted by SHODAN
I think I would be the same as us last year, 3 round to get through with the first being pretty early.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
I think the danger is that we could easily slip into that sequence if the issue is that apart from the OF Scottish club squads can’t maintain a two game a week schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/cn8v1yv81l8o
Decent explanation there.
June and FIVE BILLION OH MY GOD is my educated guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Unless Aberdeen win the cup and finish sixth.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHODAN
Basically amounts to the same thing though, if Celtic win today, we are pretty much guaranteed European football I think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Prof. ****gy
St Mirren would need to win their 5 remaining games which isn’t happening and we would need to lose all 5, again unlikely, although I don’t like to tempt fate 😃
Yea it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
And what we need to remember (assuming Celtic win the semi) is 3rd and 4th are both decent outcomes. 5th really isnt, because it doesn’t give you guaranteed group stage, where the real money is. History tells us the Scottish team that finishes 5th will probably get emptied before the group stage.
So we can’t afford to slip up to the point that BOTH Aberdeen and Utd overtake us.
Probably already been covered but surely 4th doesn't guarantee group stage?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
It doesn’t under any circumstances. There’s only one group stage guarantee (other than Celtic with the UCL). That is the cup winner that gets that. If Celtic win the cup, that goes to the third place. Without the Celtic cup winner, third gets Europa League second qualifying round. If Celtic win the cup, 4th gets the Europa second qualifying round that third would normally get.Quote:
Originally Posted by DIXIHIBS
4th still gives you a decent chance though. 2 wins from 3 ties and if you can win the first tie you’d probably be seeded for the Conference League playoff if you lost the 3rd roundQuote:
Originally Posted by overdrive
All well and good, but if we start the next season like we did this one, Hibs will be another Scottish clun emptied out of Europe early doors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
This site explains all the permutations. Not easy to follow but you eventually get there!
https://kassiesa.net/uefa/AccessList2025.html
5th would still have been a stretch even if they'd scraped in. So near, and yet so far 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
Paul I liked the rest of your post but in my view we need to win all of Buddies and Sheep away and Arabs at home to go into our last game against the Cream Buns in an unassailable position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
I don’t know why everyone is getting so hung up on third…Quote:
Originally Posted by RIP
We win every game and The Rangers lose every game and we’re off to the champions league 🤩
Pit the bong doon, that's long enough.....:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by EdinMike
https://x.com/alanftemple/status/191...bl8ISs-zf5CmHg
Good article in the Dundee Courier about permutations that should explain it all pretty clearly.
All if's, but's and maybe's I know but if we had one all of our games in October last year instead of losing 2 and drawing two we'd only be 3 points behind Sevco and they would be sh*****g in their pantaloons. Imagine their terror at the thought of no Champions League :greengrin
Thanks for sharingQuote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Just need to get 3rd and wait for Cup Final Day for a Celtic win
We don't have to imagine that, we can just watch them lose in the qualifiers. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by HoboHarry
It is also just possible for the 2nd place team in Scotland to miss out on group stage football if they lose their first CL qualifier. They'd drop to the 3rd qualifying round of the Europa League and if the lost that, the Conference League play off round. Lose that and yer oot.
The Huns should have a good enough seeding to get through at least one of those rounds but it would be hilarious!
All the dates for Europa and Conference, if everything goes the way we all hope in the league
https://x.com/scottmillar1/status/19...784944876?s=48
Truly underlines the scale of the turnaround that as recently as November we'd have been happy to avoid a relegation battle and now we're going to feel a bit deflated if we don't finish third.
We're clearly good enough to finish the job, so fingers crossed we can get this over the line.
The Europa League 1st leg playoff match, Aug 21st, is the same night as AC/DC MurrayfieldQuote:
Originally Posted by BS44
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Oh dear, I and several from our season ticket group have tickets for AC/DC. Hopefully we are away first leg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silversand
And it’s during the festival… If you thought the Festival was busy enough 🤪Quote:
Originally Posted by Silversand
Hells bells.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Im literally thunderstruck by that news
Good grief. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
That's because you're a Problem Child.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
:agree: riff raffQuote:
Originally Posted by Eyrie
That's a touch too much...Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
At least he's not beating around the bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by DIXIHIBS
Someone should be but not me though, too old for that nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eyrie
A Complete/Diary Clash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silversand
It’s just a Rock n Roll Damnation but given the ticket price, Murrayfield it’ll have to be.
We can all take beach balls and wear sombreros to the final derby this season………….
Oh wait😂
If anyone's got any spare AC/DC tickets let me know. My son was well hacked off to miss out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silversand
Big balls?Quote:
Originally Posted by HibbyDave
AC/DC? Not spending that kind of money, I can get a headache for free just listening to the wife.
AC/DC at MurrayfieldQuote:
Originally Posted by Silversand
AC/Milan in the Leith San Siro
If it's a policing/stewarding issue we might get moved to the Wednesday if we're drawn at home
If she's nagging at you night and day and you want her gone then it sounds like you want dirty deeds done dirt cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoboHarry
Was this a hidden track :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernian Verse
Tell him to save his money and watch the real thing on youtube.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n0y_s_uuVZQ&pp=ygURYWNkYyBnbGFzZ293IDE5Nzg %3D
https://x.com/footrankings/status/19...830014998?s=46
Updated projected pots for Conference League
Borussia Dortmund:pray:Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonC1875
Cmon MALLORCA!!!!!!
The excitement begins.
It's the final countdown.
Just imagine...Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonC1875
Hibs vs Bournemouth in the final game of the group stage. They've already qualified and Hibs need a point to go through. :stirrer:
Whilst I like the BKs involvement with Hibs, this hypothetical situation is exactly why multi club ownership is an issue in terms of sporting integrity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posh Swanny
Now take the same situation but we both need the point to qualify. Our own co-owners would be willing us to loose.
That would be incredible. 8k Hibs fans in Magaluf 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicho87
7-8 points done the job this season. I don’t think it’s remotely beyond our ability to get through the groups (although let’s confirm getting there first 😂 )Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonC1875
I’ll thump them if they don’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Ok, I won’t.
Totally brilliant mate 🤣 Call me crazy, but I’ve just gone and booked hotel for the final tonight based on that. Going to get expensive closer to the date ..Quote:
Originally Posted by EdinMike
If Hibs get AC/DC in the draw then, totally sorted home and away. Can use my bus pass to both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silversand
Heard someone say after the game today we can’t finish any lower than fourth now.
Am I right in saying that’s not correct, I know the numbers get complicated slightly by the fact teams all play each other but I think we could still technically finish 5th?
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Originally Posted by bingo70
Not sure about technically but there's no chance United are finishing above us now. We're effectively 7 points ahead of them with 3 games to play, they're not winning all 3 games.
I think you’re correct that we can still finish 5th.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Hibs pick up 0 points take us to 56pts
Aberdeen beat old firm takes them to 59pts
Dundee United win all three games = 59pts
Yup, pretty much this. And one of the games they play the Sheep…a nice head to head where one or both will lose points. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Can anyone send a link with the updated projection pots for Europe.
I like looking at them :hyper
I second this. My favourite light reading these last few weeks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibees1973
Today’s the first day it feels really close to happening for me.
https://x.com/footrankings/status/1918620847306055924?s=46&t=VghJuoU_bl8ISs-zf5CmHgQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibees1973
That’s the most recent one from earlier on today.
We’re up to pot 5! Wonder what changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
People in charge realised we are ****ing magic I presume.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
Where are we going? Is it nice?
How does the draw work? There’s only 6 pots but you also play 6 games.
Hope it's somewhere better than FranceQuote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
They've qualified for the champions leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
Nice one bingo70.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Trips to Rome (Lazio), Vienna (Rapid) & Pamplona (Osasuna) would be tremendous.
After today, I'm getting a wee bit excited, but not carried away.
If Hibs manage to get stages in Europe - reckon tickets will be gold dust for home and away games. Important to get a Season ticket to at least get a chance to see the games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibees1973
You play one team from each pot including your ownQuote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
Easy draw no 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
Forgive my naivety but what’s the script if we finish third? Is it Europa League playoff qualifier and at the minimum group stage Conference League football?
And how would Aberdeen winning the cup affect that?
I'm still confused as to what happens in that scenario or what happens If we finish outside the top 3? I'm sure it's been explained to me several times 😅Quote:
Originally Posted by yonder1875
You are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by yonder1875
If Aberdeen win the cup we’d go into the Europa league 2nd qualifying round.
If we lose in the qualifiers you drop into the next stage of the conference qualifiers.
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So if we finish 3rd and Aberdeen win the cup, we’d still have two chances to try and get group stage football. Europa league and then down to the conference league?Quote:
Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
If we finish third and Celtic win the cup we have one attempt to get into the Europa league but if we lose we drop down to the conference league group stages?
Spot on, aye.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
If Aberdeen win the Cup we'd need to win Europa League second qualifying round, third qualifying round and then the play off round. So six games. Lose any of those and you drop down into the relevant Conference League qualification stage.
Celtic win the Cup we enter at the Europa League play-off round. So a two leg tie. Lose that and it's Conference League group stages.
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
In the example where Aberdeen win the cup we’d have -
2nd Q round
3rd Q round
Playoff
To get to group stages.
But say we got beat in the Europa league 3rd qualifying round, we’d go into the conference league playoff.
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My understanding if we finish 5th.
We go into the Conference League qualifying stages, the lower rated European competition.
Likely have to play in three ties. 2 qualifying rounds and a play-off round. My hunch is that if we finish 5th it is highly unlikely we will get through to the League phase proper as in the play-off round we will come across a biggie, it was Aston Villa last time we tried to get to the League stage. If we lose this play-off round we are out. If we manage to get through to the Conference League phase we have 6 European games until Christmas.
Finish 4th we are in the Europa League. A couple of qualifying rounds and a play-off round. Highly unlikely to get through, with no fall into the Conference League if we lose any tie.
So we have to finish 3rd and Celtic win the cup for guaranteed European games until Christmas. In doing this we qualify for the Europa League and straight into a play-off round. Win this, we are in the Europa League phase proper with 8 games against some serious opposition. We may be out of our depth. Lose the Europa League play-off round we drop into the Conference League the 6 games until Christmas. Conference League games are more winable with a chance of a knock out tie over two legs after Christmas. Do this we can fill in the corners at Easter Road and install a helipad. :greengrin
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...1245b039cd.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibees1973
3rd place (Aberdeen win cup) - 2nd qualifying round Europa league
3rd Place (Celtic win cup) Europa play off
4th place - 2nd qualifying round Europa league
Unless Aberdeen win the cup and come 5th. Then 4th would be 2nd qualifying round of Conference league
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Came across this on some UEFA website. List of clubs who qualified for the European club competitions for the 2025/26 season after this weekend's domestic games. Obviously we don't know which competiton yet, but very nice to see.
And there we are. Among some giants and familiar foes we have played previously.
Get yer sun tan lotion and beach balls oot.
The following teams have qualified for European club competitions for the 2025/26 season, and can still qualify for the UECL: Arsenal (England), Manchester City (England), Newcastle (England), Chelsea (England), Villarreal (Spain), Real Betis (Spain), Eintracht Frankfurt (Germany), Viktoria Plzen (Czechia), Hibernian (Scotland), AEK Athens (Greece), PAOK (Greece), Sturm Graz (Austria), Austria Wien (Austria), Hapoel Be'er Sheva (Israel), Maccabi Haifa (Israel), Maccabi Tel Aviv (Israel), Dynamo Kyiv (Ukraine), Oleksandriya (Ukraine), Shakhtar Donetsk (Ukraine), Partizan Belgrade (Serbia), Dinamo Zagreb (Croatia), Hajduk Split (Croatia), Rijeka (Croatia), Rakow Czestochowa (Poland), Lech Poznan (Poland), Aris Limassol (Cyprus), Puskas Academy (Hungary), Ferencvaros (Hungary), Hammarby (Sweden), Zira (Azerbaijan), Olimpija Ljubljana (Slovenia), Maribor (Slovenia), Milsami Orhei (Moldova), Ilves (Finland), Drogheda United (Ireland), Noah (Armenia), Ararat-Armenia (Armenia), Zrinjski (Bosnia and Herzegovina), Borac Banja Luka (Bosnia and Herzegovina), Birkirkara (Malta), Egnatia (Albania), Vllaznia (Albania), Partizani Tirana (Albania), Shkendija (North Macedonia), Sileks (North Macedonia).
https://x.com/footrankings/status/19...bl8ISs-zf5CmHg
Interesting looking at the projected Europa league playoff round seeded and unseeded teams.
Few tough potential fixtures in there!
There was a lot of chat when Hearts got an opportunity for Europa league or Europa Conference- basically more chance of winning games in the conference league and progressing. More wins could even mean more money ?? Realistically we wouldn’t win many in Europa league but win 3 games out of 6 in conference league and in the large league table that would get you another playoff game. 2 wins may also get you through too. So basically home games are massively important to win and get through.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Someone correct me if that’s wrong.
Never mind that, there’s some cracking trips in there!Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Nothing to be frightened of there bingo.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Yeah, they were discussing that on the long bangers podcast a couple of weeks back.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenCastle
As you say, there’s more guaranteed money in the Europa league but more winnable games in the conference league so the games you win will equal it out,
I’d personally like us to get the Europa league, forgetting the money I think you should always want to push yourself against the best you can do. More chance of big teams in the Europa, it would also mean we’ve won a play off game against a really top side, that’s the sort of thing that you remember forever.
Of course - aim high.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
If we finish 3rd and Celtic win cup we then would have 8 games minimum in Europe then ? Is that correct ? 1 play off over 2 legs and 6 group games ? So x4 home and x4 away.
Europa also has two extra games one obviously being at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
maybe wrong but I’m sure Conference is 6 group games Europa being 8.
I understand the logic of it but I would love to see us in the Europa.
No contest for me. You want to be in the better competition. With 8 games to play you’d be guaranteed some really big teams that would be once in a generation type opportunities.Quote:
Originally Posted by EH54
Getting out the conference league group is very doable if you get a favourable draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenCastle