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Now that there appears to be an ongoing exodus from X/Twitter, myself included, do Hibs have any plans on starting an account on Bluesky? The handle is registered there but there's no content - unsure whether this is the club or not. Hearts, Aberdeen, Kilmarnock and St Mirren all have active accounts over there.
Hope so
Wish I’d left the cesspit of Twitter earlier
What’s going to be the difference between the two platforms?
You can block Nazis on Bluesky for one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
I'm on bluesky now too, far more civilised just now but have noticed the cult of trumpet magats are trolling in but as said earlier, can easily block.
Far easier to get rid of them and there are a number of users actively cultivating automated block lists too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSmith
One isn't owned and operated by a right wing naziQuote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
Pretty sure the club handle on Bluesky is owned by the club. They’ll be weighing up the net benefit of becoming active on there, then preparing any necessary assets/updating content management systems to include the new account if they go ahead with it.
I joined yesterday. Twitter has been absolutely destroyed by that pathetic Nazi gimp, quite a shame.
I genuinely thought they were on bluesky. There was an unofficial account and an official account that was posting the exact same content that was on Twitter. I was following them in sure 👀👀 as we're the like of Hibs observer and the boy from the EEN. I can't see the account now??
I think you're right. I wouldn't expect us to ditch Twitter any time soon as a club as it's probably our best asset from a social media point of view. But it's similarity to Twitter means that it's likely to be easy to integrate into any planning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault Boy
I think businesses for a while have been diversifying their social following better since Musk took over Twitter with a host of new ways to get your eyes onto their content. Hibs introduced the WhatsApp channel and obviously our own app this year alone. I think if you were on Twitter just for Hibs then those two things alone would allow you to ditch it quite easily as anything you need to know can be given to you just as quickly.
Space Karen has ruined what was a really good app.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault Boy
So if I use twitter im a nazi too?
Not sure where you’ve taken that fromQuote:
Originally Posted by K-Zazu
Ironically, this is exactly the kind of Xcretion that would suit new Twitter perfectlyQuote:
Originally Posted by K-Zazu
There is still loads of great content on Twitter. I use it, albeit far more sporadically nowadays.Quote:
Originally Posted by K-Zazu
The issue isn't that individual users are all Nazis (albeit a decent number are) but rather the algorithms are now worked in such a way that some extreme right wing content is pushed to the forefront. We aren't talking a bit small c conservative, my 'for you' tab is full of opinions and content that is downright dangerous. Misinformation, dehumanising language, racism, misogyny, homophobia and a whole lot more.
The richest man in the world didn't buy Twitter to 'preserve free specch' or create a worldwide 'village square'. He bought it because he realises the benefits of new media and wants to control the narrative by pushing his agenda. We are all pawns in his dangerous game.
I refuse to even click on the For You tab now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I was listening to a journalist the other night on 5 Live while they were debating the merits of Blue Sky vs Twitter. She said she’d ditched Twitter earlier this year for the reasons you mention. The algorithms were bombarding her with rubbish that was totally irrelevant and inappropriate to her. Musk has destroyed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Well that’s one view to take I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I think X is much better now that the algorithm isn’t pushing all the Woke leftist nonsense that we suffered for years.
I’ve yet to see any posts mentioning Nazis on it. Maybe that’s more to do with what you’re using it for?
You can block on twitter, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by SHODAN
Social media being what it is, it will be only time before bluesky becomes as Twitter currently is.
Must admit I’d never even heard of bluesky. Had a quick look, is it just a left wing safe space/echo chamber like X used to be? Seems to be almost identical in format, content and even colour scheme to X when it was Twitter.
Bin it. I did. It was easy to do.
Vote with your feet - or thumbs in this case - and get yourself off it. Far better for your mental health not having bile fired at you from all directions.
It's Twitter except not an open harassment forum for marginalised people. If that's what you think an echo chamber is then sure, it is one. :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
This thread is funny
Pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
It's a platform for people who don't want to engage with others who don't share the same views as them.
Ok, that definitely answered my question….Quote:
Originally Posted by SHODAN
I’ll stick to X 👍
Bluesky will be full of soft furnishings and whale music to keep all the sensitive wee souls safe from the big bad right wingers on XQuote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
And Centre. Once you've gone so Left, everything is Right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam6270
The Guardian epitomise this. Flouncing off X, but not without leaving a self-righteous essay about why they're leaving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam6270
I note that they were also offering staff counselling after Trump's election win!! Not exactly in keeping with the old hard-bitten journalist image...
I've never used Bluesky so can't comment on that but you have basically just described X.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Regardless of the topic it's just groups of people reaffirming their belief that they hold the only valid viewpoint. If Bluesky has tipped too far in the other direction then that's a shame as any echo chamber is undesirable but X is bordering on unreadable now. I've always enjoyed reading opinions I don't agree with and arguing against them. It's ceases to be enjoyable when there is no desire to actively engage in debate with an open mind though, no desire to be open to changing one's mind and when facts cease to matter as opinion is seen as an adequate replacement and that is what X has become.
I saw someone break down a video the other day that was just out and out gaslighting. It was from an Irish talk show and showed an alleged confrontation between a black woman and a white woman with the former allegedly gleefully mocking the latter because she had been 'given' a house whilst the other hadn't. Someone broke down the false narrative and showed the original video in it's entirety and proved the shared clip had been edited and the order of the conversation changed to paint a false narrative. The 2 women were hugely sympathetic to each others plight and were largely on the same page about the issues they faced, the former had also very much not been given a house. Despite this people and lots and lots of bots piled in to race bait and rant about immigration (the black lady was born in Ireland incidentally) and would not accept they had been misled. It's a bit like the Americans with chronic or terminal illnesses now panicking because they didn't realise 'Obamacare' and the Affordable Care Act were the same thing and are now terrified they are going to be priced out of their treatment. So wrapped up in a narrative, so blinded by misinformation and so determined to get rid of bad, commie Obamacare that they failed to do a bit of basic fact checking that would have taken all of 15 seconds.
Except the world's political narrative has shifted exponentially right over the last decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs
It's a bizarre argument to suggest otherwise. Even those on the right admit it when they gleefully point to the success of the right in France, the US, Italy, Netherlands etc etc. When people genuinely tried to argue someone like Joe Biden or Kamala Harris were a socialist then you can't seriously claim the narrative has slipped left. They are about as socialist as Mrs Thatcher was.
It's certainly a good way to stoke a grievance culture about woke pinkos and lefties but the reality is the governance of the world has and continues to shift to the right.
😂😂😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam6270
Spot onQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Feel almost a sense of comfort that a couple of posters who i almost without fail disagree with about anything to do with Hibs appear to be the polar opposite of me in this thread too.
Sounds awfully dull😂Quote:
Originally Posted by SHODAN
People are leaving X because of people sharing views to the right of theirs
They are leaving because of people sharing they want lower taxes?
LOL no...no not those views
So....deregulation?
Haha no not those views either
Which views, exactly?
Oh, you know the ones
I’m not seeing this at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
The Scottish Gov happily describes itself as being progressive, and can in no way be described as being right-leaning.
I like twitter and even the for you tab, it's a total car crash, one minute I'm getting posts from escorts in Adelaide and the next it's cats, you never know what you are going to get, it's russian roulette, I'm cool with that
There are too many people either unwilling or unable to engage in Critical Thinking (on every side, in every culture).Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
This lack of listening and understanding of opposing views and shutting yourself off from them is very dangerous. This is propagated on every social media platform and most worrying, the Main Stream Media. People believe what they read, and regurgitate it without question - they have been told to trust those in power and the media - and trust the science (science is the new religion!). Instead they should be questioning everything - trust nothing. Even the BBC (haha!) That means listening and reading everything you can, even if you don't like it or believe it.
Doing so will form better opinions and find ones-self, like the majority of others, sitting down the centre. But we've being made to believe that everybody is either Far Left (woke) or Far Right (Nazi). It almost feels like there is an agenda deliberately being stoked......
At least X promotes free speech, which is becoming a rarity in other media/art. Shut off free speech and you are living in Nazi Germany or Communist Russia. Khmer Rouge's Cambodia, Chairman Mao's China or Kier Starmer's Britain.
Note: I am not, and never have been, nor will ever be a member of social media (except IRC back in the day) and LinkedIn (and even that is going to the dogs).
Haha. Well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by flash
I wasn't referring specifically to Scotland and our wishy washy centrist pretendy government. In a wider global sense, which is what I clearly referenced, my point is accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
I don't get why people get so angry or upset about being described as right wing anyway. If that's people's views then why not just own them? If someone called me a leftie or a socialist or another variant thereof then I'd accept it as the fact it is; I'd go as far as to say I'm quite proud of the fact. Yet it's almost like being described as right wing is anathema to some people despite their own desperation to distance themselves from anything moderately left of centre.
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Originally Posted by flash
Here you go, mate. Get stuck in:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs
https://scholar.google.com/
I'm not disagreeing with anything you are saying, and I never argued against it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
The world is indeed moving right, as it had moved left previously, and it'll move left again, then right again, etc. It's politics.
What is troubling is the extreme polarisation that is being constructed in media platforms which are making people more left/right, when actually we all have pretty centre ground views. Some Left leaning, some right winging. I'm not going to riot and kill for either.
I’m right of centre, but I don’t class myself , or want to be called, right wing.
The connotations around that term are well known and are so far removed from my own thoughts that it’s totally wrong to use the term to describe me.
I’m no nazi sympathiser but I do believe in lower taxes and smaller government for example. That doesn’t make me a MAGA follower or any of the other terms that get flung around.
But to say that you are right of centre online leaves yourself open to insults . We see it on this forum all the time.
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You can't trust what Google tells you, unless you actually believe there were Black Nazis and Asian Vikings. :na na:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tubs
I'm struggling to find sympathy for that group. One of the few areas of life now where Darwinian laws may apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Being able to see another point of view is an essential part of life. I also think quite a chunk of the school curriculum should be dedicated to navigating information.
To be fair history was always recorded by the rich and I think with the new people reporting being harder to control it was inevitable the rich would essentially buy the narrative and there aren't many ultra rich people that are not well to the right and interested in other views. What Twitter seems to be now is a space for them against us with little middle ground. I've had loads of great ding dongs on Facebook with friends and friends of friends and for the most part it has ended with an agree to disagree at worse. I would never think of Twitter as a place you could do that. The Farmers Inheritance Tax for me is a debate I can see both ways. I think there are arguments both ways albeit ultimately I would side with the Government in terms of their intentions.
In terms of the Club moving to Bluesky from Twitter I think the latter is so associated with the Far Right we should make the move away. How easy is it to remove your account from Twitter
The links you will find therein will lead you to almost all human knowledge that has been built. Feel free to digest and question it as you so desire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs
Attachment 28289Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tubs
Right you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElginHibbie
I think the latter part of your middle paragraph is where I sit.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
I've got mates and family across the political spectrum and in person or on WhatsApp or whatever we can have a right good argument but still walk away as mates at the end of it. X is now no longer a space where that can happen and I daresay Bluesky will be the same given time if it isn't already there.
X does not promote free speech unless it helps Musk and his agendas. There have been numerous examples of him being caught banning accounts critical of him or things associated to him and Trump or killing the reach of what could be described as left leaning news outlets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs
Fair enough if people thin Bluesky is a bit of a left wing retreat bubble, I do actually agree that there needs to be some resemblance of discussion on things that span what is a reasonable part of the spectrum. Go too far left and it becomes a bit of a fascist ideology of conforming to new social norms, go too far right and it's just outright racist and bigotry. Society needs to find it's way to discuss the part in between again, but I'm afraid to say Twitter has no longer become that place because Musk has no real interest in it being that.
Its not really about left and right wing in the traditional sense. Its about accuracy on one hand, and the way debate has been dragged into the sewer on twitter. Take climate change denial. Blue sky doesnt allow scientifically inaccurate myths to be pedalled on the platform, so you can believe the content because its being properly moderated. In terms of debate, im sure a wide range of views will be tolerated as long as they are supported by actual facts and arent accompanied by the usual rudeness and abuse that you get so much these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centre Hawf
Twitter is like reading Follow Follow or Ab Mad, un-moderated bile everywhere you turn.
Threads is where I'm at now. So easy to find others of similar interests. Instagram and Threads are on the same platform.
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Originally Posted by flash
Funnily enough I had a similar feeling on reading the thread
Being properly moderated is the key point you make here.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Prior to Musk buying Twitter, who was doing the moderating?
From my limited experience of using it, the only difference is now stuff that used to be banned, isn’t.
So you’re getting a lot of stuff that you guys see as being right wing, that was simply not allowed before.
We may not like or agree with loads of it, but iI’d far rather it be allowed than banned.
Reading stuff we don’t agree with should be encouraged. Twitter now allows us to do that.
I don’t see any value at all in reading the opinions of people that agree with me.
I want to read opposing views, no matter what the subject is or how distasteful I might find these views or those making them.
That's is a problem, because there can be scientific papers that can argue topics one way or another. It comes down the moderators own opinions on what they believe and will allow.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
As I said earlier, Science is the new Religion in that it cannot be questioned, as the great majority of us cannot prove otherwise - we don't have the education or 'respect' in the Scientific community. We just have to accept it as gospel and truth.
Scientists that do question official lines, risk their reputations and careers. Who is willing to do that? It stifles scientific debate and restricts progress and truth (but probably keeps the powerful in power, makes the rich richer and keeps the corrupt out of jail)
Galileo was tried and convicted for suggesting the earth moved around the sun!
I’ve moved to Bluesky and find it a much more pleasurable experience. Gladly deleted Twitter. Shame is Hibs don’t move but still happy with my choice. It’s a bit like Twitter in 2009.[emoji106]
And everyone(except Hibs[emoji1696]) I followed on Twitter is on Bluesky now anyway so I lost nothing.
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I’m not going to trawl back through old threads but were you not a pretty vociferous anti-vaxer during the Covid days? Apologies if I’m mixing you up with someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs
Bluesky isn’t trying and convicting anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs
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Science is questioned every day. That is its very purpose, to keep on questioning everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs
Those discussions and arguments take place in journals and periodicals, not in short soundbites on ****ty social media sites.
Any "official lines" on science are those areas which have been peer reviewed and practised to the extent that they are truths.
Bert down the boozer saying the earth is flat cos he saw it on youtube isn't practising science. He's a misinformed arse.
Galileo wasn't tried and convicted by scientists with opposing views. He was tried by misinformed cultists who just happened to have power at that time.
Twitter used to be a laugh buy I never found it to be a place where much discussion/debate was ever happening. Now it's just packed with bots, wind-up merchants and people moaning about "woke" for whatever reason. As someone said above they quite like that randomness which can also be a laugh. I left it yonks ago, signed back on for a while then left again once Space Karen went full Goebbels.
This site has only survived in the way it has because it is heavily moderated. If bluesky or any other twitter clone loses its grip on moderation it will go the same way as it.
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None of this makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs
Especially the science can't be questioned bit. My mate is a scientist and he says rational questions are the basis of all science.Quote:
Originally Posted by babahibs
I quite like Threads. Left X last week so I'll be relying on here for the team line up. Bluesky is full of American stuff but it'll develop I suppose. Don't spend much time on any of them though.
All the UK journos and political types are on there now. It’s growing pretty quickly now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
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Joined Bluesky last week but I can't take to the name. It just always comes out bloo-eskie in my head. It should have been two words, Blue Sky, if it wanted to be pronunciated blue sky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
There is a good Scottish punk history account to follow on bluesky if that's your thing. And, as Ozy says, lots of good journalists there too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
Even our very own Irvine Welsh is there.
Cheers, haven't delved in too far apart from clicking the "see less of this" button to loads of cartoons and American sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
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https://bsky.app/profile/claytoncubi.../3lbia74ql4s2d
Trying to minimise the damage. Too late for me, I’ve moved over.
Actually, that might be Threads?[emoji2369]
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The last bit is a joke right??Quote:
Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs
To me the spread of science denial is probably the most concerning byproduct of social media and the potential consequences are dire. The idea that a considerable amount of people think they know better than scientific researchers because they've educated themselves on Youtube is both comical and scary at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
To say science is the new religion is tragically funny because in doing so they are acting on the same instincts in human nature that drive many to religion in that they seek simple answers to things they don't understand and social media provides that in abundance.
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
I would argue that Conspiracies are the new religion, a faith based belief in something without proof.
How do we know they weren’t right to try and convict Galileo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs
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Leeds have switched.
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Great response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato