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Per the official website.
Although I thought it was an accident at the time, and still do, I also can't see enough for the panel to overturn it.
Might be a tactic to have Doidge available for Saturday as there's little time for the appeal to be heard. We'd then get Boyle back so would only be down one player in each of our next three games.
Think it's definitely just so he is available for Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eyrie
I'm the same, don't think it was deliberate at all. But no chance it's getting overturned.
Would say that’s 100% the reason, Saturdays game suits Doidge more than Boyle, and vice-versa next Wednesday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eyrie
Seems to be saying if appeal upheld he will miss Saints game so assume it will be held tomorrowQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnM1875
No problem with the appeal from the club, the system is what it is so **** it, if we win and he scores it’s well worth it.
No chance it's getting over turned.
Ridiculous behaviour from him
I think the appeal will rest the initial challenge being fine and then the push with the studs being as much the Ross County player advancing as Christian kicking out. Perhaps say it was a natural reaction to avoid being push over and particularly if that was his injured leg
Last nights ref a very good mate of a jambo I know.
It’s was a clear red card, I’m struggling to see how we can get this overturned.
If the appeal was on the basis that it might not be heard till next week, fine. If not it is a waste of money.
There’s no way it wasn’t a red.
Was a red card should accept it and move on unless makes him available for Saturday then good idea with Boyle back the following week
Yeah, looks like you're right. In that case strange appeal if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
No chance of winning this, I take it there are no additional penalties for frivolous appeals?
No chance of winning it but it's a smart move so he can play on Saturday.
There's absolutely no danger of this being overturned, it was a blatant red card.
I'd be interested to hear Hibs' basis for the appeal.
I think there can be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nakedmanoncrack
Ross County player advancing doesn’t cause Doidge to straighten his leg and try to take the boy. It was a ridiculous kick-out and it’s a ridiculous appeal.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
Ridiculous is rather exaggerated - it costs £1k, next to nothing. Just about anything can be argued with decent lawyers as we’ve seen in the past. If it means he can play this weekend (no idea if it’s fast tracked or not) then even enter.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
You have to assume that Hibs have been told that any appeal hearing would take place next week and he'll be free to play against St Johnstone.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Otherwise it is a ridiculous appeal in my opinion as there's no chance this is being overturned.
Waste of time and moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnM1875
It’s not exaggerated but it is only my opinion - it’s ridiculous because everyone knows he deserved to be sent off. I’d rather we just admitted both players acted stupidly and moved on from an awful night.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
I see Aberdeen failed in the Ojo appeal. Only ground is for mistaken identity.
They were trying to appeal a yellow card as opposed to a red card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
A yellow card can only be appealed on the grounds of simulation or mistaken identity.
For £1k I’d appeal absolutely every single red card in the off chance the ref has made an arse of the process, the panel have an off day, anything really. It’s never going to be added to, it’s only ever £1k and for me that makes it worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Aberdeen never appealed, they were advised that they had no grounds to appeal as there was no mistaken identity, which would have meant they would need to put forward the correct player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
It’s a blatant red unfortunately IMO. The initial challenge no, but the kick out afterwards is a red.
Hopefully the appeal ensures he can play on Saturday.
Does the losing of an appeal mean he misses an extra game?
Nah - no games added for losing appeal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
Was there not a point in the 90’s when a Hibs player was sent off
I’m sure it was Yogi Hunter or Willie Miller
We appealed as we were down to the bare bones of a team over the Xmas period
I’m pretty sure the appeal panel went and sat on the Friday and the appeal was thrown out
I never ever knew you got appeal panels back in those days 😃Quote:
Originally Posted by darwenhibby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzVF...b_channel=SPFL
I have a sympathy for Doidge on this one.
He is not expecting the defenders presence as he turns.
Look at his body position at 3:01 in the above clip.
Both feet are off the ground and he is leaning back and the defenders body movement is forward.
I think Hibs will be arguing some sort of natural body mechanics defence i.e. with both feet off the ground and leaning back his body naturally and involuntarily kicks out in an attempt to gain traction as it feels it is falling backwards.
Watch it and see what you think.
If it's deemed to have been a frivolous appeal the ban can be increased by one game.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
I'd say it's unlikely to happen though.
I've seen it several times now and I still think it's a red card.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
Not a chance it will be pulled. I hope he doesn’t get more for appealing. We need him playing.
Don’t think it’s ever happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
I can't think of an example either to be honest, just thought I'd point out that the rule does exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
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Originally Posted by hibbysam
Maybe not aformal appeal, but they did try to have it overturned on the grounds that the referee was a twat!
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Aberdeen held talks with the governing body in an attempt to have it overturned but FIFA rules only allow a yellow card to be rescinded for cases of mistaken identity or simulation, so Ojo is now banned for Sunday’s clash with Celtic.
Nah. In real time first view I did think it was him being off balance and falling backwards, but the replays clearly show a voluntary straightening of the leg into the RC player. No need. It is deliberate action with intent and rightly red.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
I'm glad Christian is not scheduled to appear in front of the Hibs Net judiciary panel otherwise he'd be shot at dawn!
I don't think it will be overturned but I presume our case will centre on him being off balance and also the Ross County player's hands were on his leg so they might say he was trying to shake him off. However it's not as if the guy has a grip on him so I think our case won't be strong enough to prove the ref has made a blatant error. Don't know if the player's character comes into it but violent conduct is totally against Doidge's character.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
Reckon there’s an outside chance of this appeal being successful. Yellow card was about right for the “crime”. There were about three more dangerous tackles/flying arms which went unpunished compared to Doidge’’s tangle.
Correct, the boys tackle on Cadden was a shocker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carheenlea
They tend to be very prescriptive hence even in the most extreme cases of unfairness such as the Ojo yellow card they couldn't do the right thing and resind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
Doidge was sent off for 2 yellows in a game last season so not going in with a blank sheet.
As I said this incident looked like a red card for violent conduct but when you look at all the circumstances it isn't so straight forward, however, as you say the appeal is unlikely to be successful unless a wordsmith argues his case.
Agree with some important points you’re making on this - his standing leg is definitely in an unusually vulnerable position, especially given the immediate proximity and movement of the opponent and i think he feels under a bit threat because of that, particularly after a spell out with an injury. But I think it’s the clear force of the high loose one going into the player that’s going to make the appeal unsuccessful.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
But you never know - I stopped trying to second guess the inner workings of the minds of our footballing ‘authorities’ many years ago.
I'm not sure other tackles in the game will be used as a measurement for whether the appeal will be successful or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carheenlea
The incident will be judged in its own right, as it should be, and if we take the green specs off it's definitely in red card territory.
I'd be astonished if the appeal is successful.
He would survive though as the Hibsnet firing squad are poor shots. Bit early in the morn too. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Bear
Subjective of course, and the only opinion that matters really is that of the panel. Quietly hopeful!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Appeal will be held tonight so will know either way ahead of tomorrow
Apologies for my misinformation - serves me right for believing the “it’s just a grand each time”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
In that case we’d deserve to get an extra game for appealing that…(not that it’ll happen obviously)
Or a few people are able to look at the challenge objectively, like grown ups, and see there’s absolutely no argument against the red card, and therefore just say that rather than pretending otherwise because it’s hibs and a player we like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Bear
It’s worse every time I see the replay.. he’s actually raked his studs down the boy after extending his leg.
If that had been Morelos (or any non hibs player for that matter) we’d be going absolutely radge about it.
It won’t be changed. It shouldn’t have been appealed. It was stupid from Doidge. Time to move on and accept it.
Agreed - it was daft unfortunately. No chance it will be overturned:(Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Mad how quick they can hear an appeal when it's us.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
When it's another team it can take weeks.
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Originally Posted by WeeRussell
If it was Moreles he would have been booked so he couldn't have got a retrospective red. I think that is something we could cite in our favour pointing to previous incidents that were given as yellow. We could probably spend an hour just on Morelos
I can’t think that pointing to challenges by other players that should have been reds but weren’t, will help Doidge get off with with a red that was rightly given, but we’ll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
Personally think there’s absolutely zero chance of getting the red overturned regardless of how we pitch it, and rightly so, but again we will see.
Appeal rejected
They were basically told from the offset that they stood no chance based on the rules. Broadfoot explained the process well on one of this weeks sportsound shows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Doidge appeal unsuccessful.
No surprise there. They’d have been as well standing outside the ticket office and handing the first fan that went past a grand.Quote:
Originally Posted by h185forever
Literally no idea why we appealed this tbh
Doesn't surprise me.Quote:
Originally Posted by h185forever
Because in normal circumstances the hearing wouldn't have been organised so quickly, and we've have had Doidge available tomorrow when Boyle is out, then suspended once Boyle is back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borderhibbie76
Because James Scott might have to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borderhibbie76
I might change my prediction to St Johnstone 1, Hibs -1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
And if he's reading this, please make me look like an idiot, James.
Conveniently sit when it’s a team outside Old Firm
Kin joke
It might have been a red but how quickly can a decision be made
When it doesn’t involve the Glasgow teams
It gets worse by the day
Gavin Duncan was the fourth official who swore at Heckingbottom and Paul joked he’d “knock his teeth out.
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Originally Posted by Since452
Middleton and Wotherspoon injured for St Johnstone and Kane suspended
Magennis and Murphy injured for Hibs and Boyle and Doidge suspended
Time for new heroes
Okay. How long are Boyle and Doidge out for? Both out tomorrow, Doidge out on Wednesday?
I’m not looking forward to going tomorrow as I feel like ***** and thus can’t be bothered.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
But that’s maybe three bits of brighter news.
CorrectQuote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
Boyle out for 1 and Doidge out for 2
My best decision of the week was weaseling out of the trip to Dingwall with a bad case of couldn't be arsed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
Middleton did a hamstring playing for Scotland 10 days ago.
Wothorspoon took a dull one to his left knee in their game at Hampden so could be out for a while depending on what the scans find.
I am guessing re Murphy.
I’m not looking at Murphy as a positive absence of course but Kane is as he is a ****ing pest and the other two are likely to damage us and have done in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
Total madness from our two best players.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
Ross said that Murphy trained today for the first time and will face a late fitness testQuote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
I’m taking that and my bottle of Covonia as a positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
That's good news given he was injured during the enforced break and we didn't know what had happened to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
The poor guy is really struggling. They used part of a hamstring to repair his bad ACL injury and his hamstrings give him big bother now. Out 4 time last season with hamstring injuries and this season appears to be more of the same.
Is this widespread clinical knowledge or informed opinion or are you his surgeon? Definitely not his agent I see that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
No surprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by h185forever
One of the most pointless appeals I've seen.
Hibs surely must have known this appeal was never going to be successful and the only reason for appealing was to try and get Doidge available for tomorrow but I would also have thought they would have known when the appeal was going to be heard.
will send you a pmQuote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
That’s usual procedure for having your ACL reconstructed. Had it done myself and your hamstring is a lot more susceptible to going afterwardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
That sounds like a whisky liqueur my Auntie used to drink :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
👍 Ta.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
Worked out well today!Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
Yeah, he did well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
Why does Boyle only get one? They were both straight reds were they not or had Boyle already been booked?Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
Severity of offence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfred E Newman
Boyle's was for foul and abusive language = 1 game ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfred E Newman
Doidge's was for violent conduct = 2 game ban.
They used part of my ham string tendon when I had my ACL reconstruction. Hope that helps although I have had no ham string problems which may or may not be to do with my inactive lifestyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Stonewall