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Appreciate Jack Ross never answers questions or commits, but is there are chance he could tell us what's going on here,?
Yet again, today was his type of game and not a sniff. And that's in a side without Newall and Nisbet.
A huge waste of his talents. If there is more to it then the club should say, as it makes no sense at all at the moment.
Surely we should have had him on in the second half , can’t understand Jack Ross at times
I just don't think he rates Allan or believes he is good enough.
He’s played barely any football in two to three years and I think we need to accept that the Scott Allan that we remember may not be the Scott Allan that Jack Ross is working with.
He definitely thought he was good enough before covid hit. He was a first pick. Since his health issues etc we’ve no idea what he’s been like and our main midfield three have been tremendous this season. That being said I would’ve had him on for Gogic at HT today.Quote:
Originally Posted by HH81
That's not what he says.Quote:
Originally Posted by HH81
He has hardly played in a few seasons now. For me he is not the player that we had in the past any more and for me would not have changed anything about today.
For you would have to play him where Magennis has been playing so we would then need to play him out of position like last season. I can't see how we fit Allan in
JR has to live or die by his decision making. Today he used Gogic against a side who’ll most likely finish bottom three.
I think most of us who know what SA brings to a game, think he would have been a better choice of player for today’s match.
Gogic will serve us well against the better sides I’d hope. Although going by today’s and his most recent performances, some might be beginning to have grave doubts.
He is still a better option than drey wright man!Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
He got the games for inverness last year and by all accounts did well. Strolled it against stoke etc in pre season. A fit scott allan walks into this team, but clearly Ross is going for a different thing and, as a fan I find that so disappointing.
We got over run at times in midfield today, especially the first 25 mins, Allan wouldn't have stopped that happeningQuote:
Originally Posted by Weegreenman
Drey Wright was decent when he came on.Quote:
Originally Posted by keep the faith
Allan came on last week against Killie and looked unfit to me and certainly nowhere near the level we have come to expect of Scott Allan - anyone crying out for him to play today couldn't have seen him last 30 mins last week.
Fully expect him to leave. Despite posters on here saying otherwise it’s clear Ross doesn’t rate him now. Not to get on today while Wright and Gullan do tells me all I need to know.
Yes. Had a few decent touches ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
I thought so tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
If he can’t get a game today then he’s clearly not in the managers plans. We’ll never know if he’s as good as he was if he doesn’t get a chance.
He's not looked fit to be when he's Cameron, looks overweight aswell.
Allan has been poor every time I’ve seen him this season, last season too actually.
If I was jack Ross I wouldn’t play him either.
Absolutely love Scott Allan and nothing but admiration for how he’s come back from his health problems, I hope he can get back to his best, I don’t think he’s there yet though.
The fact Scotty didn't get a chance today tells us his days are well and truly over at ER. Such a shame really.
It’s clear Ross doesn’t rate Allan But gives Gogic chance after chance, baffling
On the evidence of his performance when he came on last week Scott is nowhere near where he needs to be at the moment. Just getting brushed off the ball with ease.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
Jack Ross has done everything to have him as involved as possible since he arrived. Can’t understand why anyone would say otherwise.
We’ll never know but surely you have to concede he’d be a better choice when in possession? Gogic consistently gave the ball away today.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibIBZ
He’s only had 10 minutes here and there and last season he had a heart problem that was causing him to struggle, I’m not sure you can judge him on that. He played the ball through for Mackay in the European game that should’ve won us the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Totally different kind of players?Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam6270
Nothing baffling in the slightest about it.
People seem to be wanting or expecting the Scott Allan from a few years ago, there’s been nothing to suggest he’s at that level just now.
Just posted similar mate the keyboard managers on here crying out for him to start clearly weren't in the 5k at ER last weekend as he got 30 mins and looked so poor and not ready to me. I love Scotty as much as anyone but he's not at the levels required yet clearlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
That’s all we’ve seen of him, Jack Ross sees him every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
If he was the player everyone seems to want him to be, he would be playing more.
He didn’t get 30 minutes last week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borderhibbie76
He was poor last week but from people who were at the Arsenal game he was excellent ? He’s not going to get to where he needs to be if he’s not getting a chance. 10 minutes every 3d or 4th game isn’t going to help.
To bring Wright on again who has basically offered heehaw in his time with us says it all about Ross’ thoughts now on Scott Allan.
No need to be pedantic he came on in 67th minute so got thr best part of half an hourQuote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Presumably he also sees Paul McGinn and Gogic every day too.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
So why does he never get a game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfred E Newman
We were well on top in the 2nd half and created the chances to be out of sight.
Scott Allan remaining on the bench wasn't the problem today.
What I’ve seen of him this season is a player who’s still got the brain but just isn’t fit enough.
If he goes out on loan it’ll prob be to the championship again.
My point is that we’ve not seen enough of him to judge his level.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
I wouldn't be shocked to see Scott leave
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Or he got just over 20 mins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borderhibbie76
Exactly where I am. Maybe he isn’t capable of reaching previous levels. But he’s got no chance of ever achieving that with a few minutes now and again.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Regardless of how long he got...he wasn't at the racesQuote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Aye he never fell over or got injured a huge bonusQuote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
This isn’t boys club football. You don’t get game time just to see how you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
He got game time last week to make an impact and looked like he was miles away from it unfortunately.
I’m not saying that’s the only chance he’ll get but when he does get opportunities he has to take them.
Same applies to young players trying to break through.
If I had to place a bet on it I'd say Scott will never be the same player he was 2 years ago and won't be surpised if he drops down a league
Again, I hope he proves me wrong
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Agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
What JR and his coaching staff are seeing in connection with Scott Allan aren’t convincing them that he should be a starter,and they’re now even reluctant to bring him off the bench.
As with Leigh Griffiths posters are thinking about Allan in his prime,and they’re both far far away from those days.
It pains me to post this as Allan at his best was a joy to watch,but I can’t see him having much of a future at ER.
You need game time to get match fit and build momentum. It’s nothing to do with “seeing how he does.” Ross clearly has his favourites he’ll allow the opportunity to get back up to speed after being out. The evidence is that Scott Allan isn’t one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Any player needs minutes ON the pitch to get match fit, if Scott never gets more than 15 or 20 in a game he will never get to the level required to start games and show what he can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borderhibbie76
With a full squad to pick from JR is rightly sticking with Kyle & JDH but there have been a couple of occasions season where he could have given Scott a half, Ross County second half was the perfect time 3-0 up and game won he could and should have played the second half then ..... he didn't. To me that means he is not in JR plans for whatever reason...
Allan needs to play to get some kind of sharpness because that’s what his game is all about. If he’s not going to play, we’d be as well letting him go because I don’t think he’s even going to be any kind of impact sub.
Who are his favourites?Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
Scott Allan had a full pre season to get fit and has been involved in matches all season including a lot of game time in pre season matches.
He’s as fit now as he’s probably going to be. I don’t think he’s been injured for ages?
Agreed. I don’t want him to go without ever getting a proper chance, but the longer it looks like he’s not going to get that chance there is no point in keeping him. Fully expect him to be away at the end of the season if not before.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
The fact he was also in the starting line up in our first competitive game does not suggest that Jack Ross has any problem with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Ross will never say in public how he sees players.
However, his actions always send a clear message.
Last season he sent a very clear message to Gray by effectively refusing to play him and Gray duly retired.
Mallan got the message and has left. Vela, Horgan and Kamberi were quickly eased out.
This season Gullan and Allan appear to be getting a message from him.
In Allan's case the situation is complicated by his previous health issues, not travelling to Croatia was a strange one and it was equally strange that he brought him on last weekend if he was trying to send a consistent message. However, overall I get the impression he would like him to be so desperate to play that he asks to move on, he 'reluctantly' agrees and Allan's significant wage is freed up. Unfortunately for Hibs and Ross I think Allan will sit tight and collect his money for the final year of his contract before retiring. Allan has been fighting the odds his whole career and this is almost certainly his final act at this level.
Newell and McGinn are two.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
As I said I wasn’t at the Arsenal game but more than one person told me he was excellent that night. Were they wrong ? Also did well in a couple of other pre season games I was told.
Thought he took a knock after first Santa Coloma game ?
He looked fine. Maybe a little unfit, but also got involved and created a few chances. He cant get fit without actually playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borderhibbie76
Agree with a lot of that except the bit about him sitting tight. I think he’ll be looking to move this season whether on loan or permanently. For all the criticism he’s received at times for being all about the money he’s consistently pushed for loan moves when he’s not been getting game time at his parent clubs. Given his health issues and the resulting missed games I don’t expect him to retire any time soonQuote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
My honest opinion is yes, they were wrong. I personally don’t think he was excellent that night against Arsenal at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
I was at the Raith game, I don’t remember him playing that night but I think he might have played?
I’m sorry, for me, he’s lost that wee burst that used to take him past players and I think he looks slow and sluggish.
Scott Allan has been getting written off his whole life, I absolutely wouldn’t bet against him coming back and proving the doubters wrong. Right now though, I think Jack Ross is right to look at other options.
Fwiw I could see Allan adjusting his game and coming back a different type of player.
Classy response. 🙄Quote:
Originally Posted by scotia44
Why’s he looking unfit?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
He’s not recovering from injury, he spent last season on loan after his heart condition, he’s had a full pre-season and he’s had lots of match time in pre-season and the early part of this season.
He’s not looking unfit, that’s just his body shape and condition now I think.
He looked to do something positive with the ball and tried to drive us forward. He gets pass marks.Quote:
Originally Posted by scotia44
Fair enough and a good response. I think he doesn’t look as sharp but I’ve not seen enough to know for sure. But his wee cameo against Rijeka still gives me hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Newell should be one of everybody's favourites to be fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
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Originally Posted by jeffers
I really had not thought of that,it would go some way to explain some of JR's decisions,in game time ,some of which seem inexplicable.
I’d have hoped many would have realised that when watching the game today. To say ‘sorely missed’ would be putting it mildly.Quote:
Originally Posted by flash
There’s times he is frustrating as he slows the tempo down a lot but it was clear today how much we missed him.Quote:
Originally Posted by flash
Better player than he’s given credit for (including from me at times)
If you're not going to even feature in a game that's crying out for your talent then what's the point.
Any one of the midfield three (probably Gogic) should have made way for Allan at half time at the latest.
We're wasting our most creative player.
Without any changes we then went on to dominate the 2nd half and should have had the game sewn up with the chances we createdQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnM1875
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My point is though that last season he was out injured for a spell and was brought straight back in when fit. I wasn’t alone in thinking he wasn’t great when he returned,but he was continually selected. The same is happening this season with McGinn, albeit we don’t have much competition for his position.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
There are certain players the manager has total belief in and will allow them to play through some poor form.
We should have. I'm not saying we weren't the better team. We clearly were and Gogic was actually better second half. I still think Allan should be playing in these kind of games when you know the teams going to sit back and flood the midfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Missed chance for me.
His history does indeed indicate that Scott will be speaking to Ross and pushing for a loan move.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
A loan move works for Scott because he will get to play and importantly for him, will also get all of his Hibs wage.
However, unless the loan club is making a significant contribution to his wage there is nothing in it for Hibs and that's the reason Scott will end up sitting tight.
Similarly, no way he will go anywhere on a permanent unless we pay him off so again nothing in it for Hibs if he wants paid up.
Hibs and Scott are trapped by his contract. A player on say £4k a week who no team would pay more than £1k a week for so Hibs likely to keep him as a playing option just in case he is needed.
how long is his contract?Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
I have my doubts that he will still be here at the end of the window.
I think Scott Allan staying with us is down to reasons other than his Hibs wage. Bizarre to suggest otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
This is his last seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
You are replying to one post out of context hence it appears bizarre.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnM1875
It is the last part of a discussion with poster Jeffers.
If you look back in the thread you will see the earlier parts of the conversation between us and hopefully that will allow you to add something meaningful to the discussion.
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Originally Posted by bingo70
Yes I do wonder if he could play a bit deeper, perhaps as a direct replacement for Newell yesterday.
Scott is not much of a tackler but he has shown he can close down opponents effectively and he reads the game well.
Scotty Just a fantastic player. Why anyone would wish him away is beyond me.
Excellent description of what might be the case. Hopefully Scott can somehow get his mojo back!Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
He should try being Messi instead of Cameron then!! 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by pacoluna
I'm not sure anyone ever aspired to being Ian Cameron.Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm_cabbaged
Think he was a Duffy signing?
To be honest, I like SA, but, I dont think he will be here by the end of the season, he is hardly playing, been out too long, I think for him a move is best.
If we released Scotty or he became a free agent I would put money on Aberdeen snapping him up.
Everyone knows how good a player he can be on his day, we should be doing everything we can to get him back to that level.
In fairness, he started the season as the first pick in the role behind the striker.
A red card in the first game meant he was subbed and Magennis brought on who done very well. Allan was then injured for the next game.
Magennis continued to perform well.
Allan then couldn’t travel to our away leg in Europe.
He can’t have any arguments yet as Magennis has been doing very well. Against Dundee he was never getting on whilst we were winning 2-1, Ross always goes for the safe approach at this score which is fair enough.
Once he gets his chance he needs to take it.
I think the thing is he was a brilliant player. [emoji122] now just not got the pace for some reason . I'm sure the reason he does not play is in training the other midfielders are fitter and quicker. He will get caught on the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibiza
Loved the guy but a move away might be best [emoji108] there is no way another contract will be offered .
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Originally Posted by Greenworld
Was there not talk of a new contract last week?
I'm sure we could have loaned him out to Inverness again if we really wanted which suggests he's part of Jack Ross' plans. I think he'll play a bit part role, but a role none the less.
It was actually Alex Miller that signed Ian Cameron along with Brian Welsh. Pre-season quality signings! :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eyrie
Indeed. From memory they signed the day before the first league game of the season and needed a wee bit time to ‘bed in’. Not sure either of them reached that goal though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inconsequential
Brian Welsh was like watching Bambi on drugs.
Swapped David Farrell and Gareth Evans for Cameron ( Partick Thistle)Quote:
Originally Posted by Inconsequential
Dearie me
I was delighted when we signed Welsh, had looked impressive coming through at Utd, and we spent a fair amount of cash on him, IIRC. Pretty sure he also claimed that we mismanaged an injury that affected him very badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logie Green
Think he missed a sitter against hearts always stuck in my mind with the purple carlsberg stripQuote:
Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS
I can't even remember Cameron. Welsh was pish, I remember him right enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inconsequential
he looked a tad podgy in the photo i saw of him at training the other day, shame a great wee footballer
Will be amazed if Allan is not away before the window closes. Agree with comments that, sadly, Scotty is not likely to get a new deal, especially as Jack shows little appetite to play him.
Highly doubt that, given that a mere 4 weeks ago he was looking the most stacked I've seen him.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I remember being very disappointed with Welsh, because I also thought he looked like an excellent player at United.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
Was mostly injured for us and not very good. Looked better when Mcleish came in but we were going down by that point, left Eck's appointment too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Welsh later sued the club doctor for injections given to him during his spell with us. Think it was settled out of court. He founded and co-owns a football club in Virginia now.
But he came to us with a bad injury. Actually Jacie Mac asked me who I would like to see coming in. I said Brian Welsh. Jackie said we can get him and soon after we had him signed. Good player but was carrying an injury from his Utd days, meaning he played like one game then missed five or thats how it feels now. Scored a last ditch goal at East End park after many Hibs fans had gone to their buses it was so late. That game Hibs took the largest away suppirt to Dunfermline that season, it was a record which lasted one week when Celtic took a hundred or so more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
I remember that game, was a huge support. Was still there when we scored, goal was up at the far end and the ball appeared to have been cleared off the line, took a few seconds to realise that it had been given.Quote:
Originally Posted by ahibby
Kept us alive for another little while.
I remember that day well. Massive support. Big Welsh was a very good player, sadly blighted by previously mentioned injuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
Remember that game well. Bright sunny day and a fairly poor Hibs team.Quote:
Originally Posted by ahibby
I’m sure that’s when Dougie Cromb was running the £1 buses from ER to all the away games in an effort to keep us up.
GGTTH
Welshy was a good player, used to play fitba with him up Clerie in his younger days, he :agree:hated it when I could do mair keepie uppies than him.
He was a really polite guy tae.
How did Allan do today?
Set up the second with a brilliant back heel. Thought he did well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutu
Hardly touched the ball for half an hour. Last 15 I thought he showed some really nice touches. Good assist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutu