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Man of the Match. Great performance.
Different class in that second half.
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Originally Posted by EVENTUALLY
3 excellent saves!!
Exceptional saves
Was excellent. Couldn't understand the negativity towards him previously and it makes even less sense now.
Played well tonight.
Rocky who?
Excellent keeper, excellent performance tonight.
The supposed ‘doubts’ people were claiming to have about him have not been based on how he’s performed seeing as he’s been excellent from day 1. I think we’ve upgraded - Marciano (and his Missus) may have been a cult hero to many of the fans but Macey doesn’t make me feel anywhere near as nervous when we’re defending corners or has the ball as his feet.
Some of the supposed ‘doubts’ were in response to stuff like this where we are claiming an upgrade on the excellent and consistent keeper we had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
A long way from being able to claim this.
That’s not really true now Andy is it? People were just simply saying they had doubts - nothing to do with responding to other people’s opinions!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
You’re clutching at straws on this and the best you were able to come up with in the past was “but he’s a number 2!”.
Maybe you’ve forgotten Rocky being dropped a couple of times or some of his shaky moments but to now look back on his career as if he never made a mistake is just way off. He was generally good for us but not irreplaceable whatsoever.
Why don’t you just get behind Macey and stop looking to criticise when there’s no reason to currently?
Some cracking saves in the 2nd half, particularly the one he had to get down too that came through a crowded box, I was one of those 'Doubters' and I definitely needed to see a performance like that from him, great timing with the season about to get going from the big man
Yes, if you ignore the mistakes he made, he never made any mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
2 goals against Motherwell, his positioning for the goal against Celtic and he let in a bad one against Stoke in a pre-season friendly too. That’s a number of debatable mistakes in not a lot of games.
Posts like yours really annoy me though to be honest. He had a terrific game tonight and was rightly getting praise, your need to post a sort of ‘told you so’ post was only ever going to provoke response like mine pointing out mistakes that those of us who had doubts felt were mistakes.
He was superb tonight so I sincerely hope he goes on to be an upgrade on Marciano. Way too early to be stating that’s the case already though.
You and your facts. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
He did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
He already said he played well.
It’s your need to be right that’s prompted any negative debate about him tonight.
Very happy to get behind Macey - not really my style to be not backing players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
Marciano limited his mistakes is what I'd say, he certainly wasn't mistake free but there were very, very few over his time with us.
Hopefully Macey will do likewise but he's not really played league games for us yet and he has made mistakes. It was only a few games ago he gave away a goal v Stoke and the Motherwell game I'd question too. Played really well tonight so long may that continue.
Matt Greatcy
Oh behave yourself - it had already been stated by someone else that it was surprising there had been doubts. If people want to react to a personal opinion that I ‘think’ we might have upgraded then that’s up to them on a forum. This debate has been going on before tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Sorry I made you have to be negative about Macey … I’m sure it’s nothing to do with your own desire to be right no?🙄
That so called mistake against Celtic annoys me, it was a quality free kick can’t blame him for his positioning IMO although I know others see it differently. Too early to compare I agree but as pointed out Marciano made mistakes and quite often found myself thinking he should have saved that without it being in the clanger category.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Macey was great tonight and deserves praise. Hopefully he takes this form in to the Rijeka tie and the first few league games.
He’s class.
Rocky a sub tonight as Feyenoord are losing 1-2
Never in doubt
Definitely not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
I certainly never wrote him off before tonight either, I just had some reservations and wasn’t convinced. Performances like tonight and the cup final are certainly going a long way to winning me over.
FWIW I’ll apologise if my wee rant was disproportionate to your comment too. It’s a pet hate of mine on here just now that any sort of ‘negative’ opinion is jumped upon from certain posters, not necessarily you, as if you’ve got some anti Hibs agenda.
I think Macey was excellent tonight and has been so in other games as well. There has been moments that’s given me some cause for concern though. There’s not been any extreme criticism of him, just a small amount of people that have said similar to me I think. That’s why I think a post likely to dredge up his mistakes, or mistakes people think he made, was unnecessary. Just enjoy the fact he played well.
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Originally Posted by Diclonius
:agree: Nothing wrong with his positioning for the Celtic goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
I think David Turnbull said after it he was surprised at how much of the goal Macey showed him.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Have to agree with you regarding the Celtic goal. Totally blameless in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
I just want the boy to get a fair crack of the whip mate - certainly not an attempt to point score or whatever. I'm glad you've said your reaction was disproportionate as it was a just a genuine opinion about how he'd performed previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
I 100 percent disagree re the Celtic goal and even the Motherwell game but it's a fair enough debate and I certainly don't think its an anti Hibs agenda by those who aren't sure... but that's the sort of thing you can argue about on a forum. I've said before that I normally agree with the vast majority of Andy74's posts on other things for instance and he's anything but anti Hibs from what I can see so it's not a personal thing either.
I did enjoy the fact he played well- I also know we won't know if he's a good replacement for a while yet... just think the signs are very good.
Macey is a massive plus to take away from tonight's game and for the first time I was really convinced we have found a No1. Nothing to do with his previous performances but I was delighted with his performance tonight. Early days but we might have won a watch here
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Shame Macey will be back on the bench for the League game against Motherwell. Really deserves to keep his place.
David Turnbull, that famous goalie coach :greengrin I’d rather rely on Jamie Carragher for my keeper insights (not really)Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
We may need a Bogsanesque performance similar to the away leg at Asteris. Macey looks like this may be in his locker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Franck
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Am I missing something here or is this a joke about him only getting cup games?Quote:
Originally Posted by Inconsequential
A goalkeeper thrives on a confident defence and that’s what we need in front of himQuote:
Originally Posted by Since452
I'll tell you how good he is after 6/7 games into the season. Far too early to label him better than Marciano or even if you think he's terrible. Good performance today though.
He’s already played 6 or 7 games for usQuote:
Originally Posted by Centre Hawf
His save from the penalty in the cup final and his performance tonight give me a lot of confidence that he’ll go and and be a cracking keeper for us. I was a little worried after the Motherwell game as he looked a bit dodgy, but every player has a bad day. We have to remember he will only get better playing games and getting used to playing with our defence. He could turn out to be a fantastic keeper for us as he has all the attributes of the modern day keeper.
I'm aware. But he hasn't been our number 1 in the league so far. He's had a couple of cup games and a couple of appearances filling in for Rocky. My point is more that once the sample size is bigger we can start making comparisons to Rocky.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
Just a thought- we don’t need to compare him to Rocky at all? That’s what was happening last year when folk got annoyed he got picked and they started making stuff up about positioning to justify getting Rocky back in the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centre Hawf
Blaming the Motherwell goals on Macey is some stretch.
Including Ross who acknowledged Rocky was his first choice. Nothing was made up about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
It’s lovely Macey is getting backed. I sense quite a bit of it is over played as a result of not liking Marciano for some reason.
Rocky was a good keeper. Hopefully Macey will be too but we are early for any declarations on that.
It is lovely isn’t it? Quite a novel approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
I like Macey and he's generally done well when called upon. I can see why people may have had 1 or 2 reservations about him though. If nothing else he just hasn't played enough games to judge him in the same way you can judge a keeper who has played 30+ games a season for 3 or 4 years. I can remember Yves Ma Kalambay being hailed as the answer to all our goalkeeping problems after 1 game at Tynecastle. The very next game.......
Is this not just one of those discussions in which people with opposing views can actually both have valid opinions? It seems a willingness to agree to disagree is a lost art and having the last word is infinitely more important.
Is this not just one of those discussions in which people with opposing views can actually both have valid opinions? It seems a willingness to agree to disagree is a lost art and having the last word is infinitely more important.[/QUOTE]
No it's not! :greengrin
Speaking only for myself I'm over the moon we have Macey. Commented loads on this subject and kind of gave up. I never ever said I disliked Rocky but I never had full confidence in him either. Lets hope Macey can do enough to get us all proud to have him as number 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Only 26 years old too. Could easily have another 10/12 years ahead. Only going to improve. He's played enough games now for an opinion to be formed and he seems to be getting better with each game. Hopefully he's found a home at Hibs.
The more games he’s playing, the more he’s convincing those of us that had doubts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
I think your miles wrong and it’s actually quite the opposite. I haven’t seen many not like Marciano in general so to say they are over playing his performance as they don’t like Marciano is rubbish. I have though seen people take the opposite and be very critical or reluctant to praise Macey because they were so invested in Marciano.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
I know it’s natural to compare players it happens all the time but let’s not forget Macey is still a young guy with plenty development ahead of him. We need to support that and understand he won’t always get it right and should be criticised like any other player at times. I’ve said it before with our history of keepers I have seen more than enough to believe he will be a very good keeper for us.
He looks quite big anyone know how tall he is
If it is being over played, I'd say it is because some are over playing how good Rocky was and are being too judgemental of Macey. Okay to say things like they think his positioning was slightly out at a goal but several were saying he isn't good enough and isn't a no. 1 keeper which imo was ott. Too many make snap decisions on players and say they aren't good enough after 1 or 2 games, the "Called it Club" / "Told You So Brigade" that like to be 1st to decide a player is crap and they make sure they let us know later on down the line. They could easily say someone looked a bit shaky but it's early days or something along those lines and at least give players a chance before passing judgement. But of course that doesn't give you the opportunity to appear clever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
The same happened with Bogdan who was also a bit rusty at 1st due to lack of games. Once he got a run of games he turned out to be good and for me he slightly edged it over Rocky because he commanded his box better and his kick outs didn't go out for a throw in half the time (which Rocky seemed to be doing a lot at the time). Rocky was a little better at shot stopping. I liked Rocky so wasn't unhappy that he started ahead of Bogdan.
5'19".Quote:
Originally Posted by hibee_nation
6ft 7ins... an inch taller than DabrowskiQuote:
Originally Posted by hibee_nation
Is Macey really that young? He's only a year younger than Marciano was when we signed him and he's played 70 1st team games at a decent level.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
I'm all for supporting him and helping him develop further but he's not some untried rookie.
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Originally Posted by bingo70
If the goals against Motherwell & Celtc were a result of goalkeeping errors then every keeper, including Rocky, makes about 40 errors a season! We must remember that keeper errors often result in the ultimate punishment, conceding a goal, whereas other defensive mistakes are forgotten if a goal doesn't result. Ask Pickford, sets a record of nearly 500 minutes without conceding in the Euros, then is beaten by a superb free kick. Next thing it's analysed to death & about 50% of the experts blame him for the goal!
Macey, Rocky, Bogdan - all perfectly good keepers for us. Dabrowski is a decent enough back up too.
Think of some of the dross we had before and look around the league now. We'll be fine in this area.
That’s just the nature of the beast with goalkeeping though?Quote:
Originally Posted by brog
With regards to the Motherwell goals. I’m happy to agree to disagree.
I remember after it somebody in his defence pointed out that an expert agreed there was nothing he could have done about them. Think it was then Pretty Boy who posted a link to a podcast with experienced goalies or coaches who were equally as adamant he should have done better.
Some think they were his fault, some don’t. It even divided professionals opinions. I fell on the side of thinking he should have done better, you don’t, that’s fine.
Playing like he did last night people will soon stop caring about those goals, if they’ve not done so already.
From what i’ve seen Macey is more vocal than Rocky. Quite a bit more. In Rocky we clearly had a good keeper, but if he were brilliant (like most Hibs better players) he’d have been whisked away to the Premiership. It was great to have him and his odd poor game didn’t become a run of bad form, but i always felt he was too quiet and that on ocasion the defence was a little unsure as a result. Maybe one of the things Macey will do better. Either way, i think we have another good keeper.
His save last night when the defence were well beaten shows he could get us a good few points just from his performances.
Great and measured post. Don’t know why everyone seems to think you need to pick a side and stick to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
Nobody is over praising Macey because they didn’t like Marciano. Marciano was pretty much universally liked to varying degrees. He wasn’t totally my cup of tea for several reasons but I felt he was a match winner on plenty of occasions as well as capable of making saves other goalies couldn’t. Macey though Is getting support because some people who now say ‘it’s too early to judge if he’s good’ were finding ways to imply he wasn’t up to it at a very early stage!
It’s always tough replacing fan favourites but Macey is looking extremely promising and everyone should be delighted- a bit weird if we’re not. He will make mistakes at some point … as every other goalie we’ve had including Goram and Leighton did.
It was me, it was Richard Lees podcast and I posted the link despite it contradicting the point I was making slightly :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
His argument was, keepers should always get a dive away. Even if you don’t think you can reach it, there’s always a chance you can pull off a burst that you weren’t expecting or you could have misread the flight . So it’s a good habit to get into, to dive even at shots you reckon are certain goals. I think he was saying it wasn’t an error as such, just a technical thing that he’s quite strong on. And of course, there will be dozens of wee moments like that for all keepers when you could have done better, even for Neuer et al.
Yeah I think I said at the time was the “fault” was he didn’t dive, not his positioning just that he didn’t dive for what he though was unreachable. If he’d dived many wouldn’t have questioned him IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah