Just saw a news article saying they the current Scotland squad has ten players in the English top flight and two players with a Champions League medal.
I’m setting myself for a fall and I know it’s hard to compare against previous squads but...how does this squad compare against other squads? For me the Scotland team of 86 was pretty decent
Current squad is as good as we’ve had in my lifetime.
There will be a lot of posters with plenty more ahem.. experience than me to comment on some of the better groups of players we had. Maybe some will argue that for individuals we’ve got the best players in decades but it remains to be seen if they challenge some of the better sides as a squad.
I do think they’ll go up a few notches for a lot of people if the next couple of weeks go well though 🏴
I'm scared to look at the line ups through the years since 2000 but off the top of my head on paper it's the best in that period IMO.
Arguably however Smith and McLeish had an inferior squad performing much better when we took Italy and France to the penultimate game of qualification in 2007.
Just watching Mr browns boys and that’s last team that’s made a final, If you compare like for like this squad is better, but what that 98 squad had was the Scottish way of plying getting stuck in, I feel this squad that Clarke is building is brought Back the Scottish pride
Current squad is unproven but has more potential than anything we’ve had since the late 80s. For the first time since then it feels like we’ve got the potential to develop rather than just manage decline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk1875
Also got a very, very good manager and leader.
👏🏻 Mate well said I have good feeling about this but as we know being hibs fans anything can happen, has World Cup qualifiers came to soon for us after couple I’m not sure but we’ll make another couple tournaments in the coming yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Stonewall
I think this squad is very much of it's time - lots of young players, a bit inexperienced but bags of energy and pace and will run all day. Fortunately we have a good manager as well, who I'd back to bring the best out of them. He's blooded quite a few players and looks to have found a few solutions to a few problems. Weaker managers would have followed the old Scottish style of going for experience or going with the big guys - and not got this far let alone any further.
We do have weak parts of the team but we actually have an embarrassment of riches in some areas.
I was really impressed with a lot of what we did in the recent friendlies and I'm looking forward to the tournament in a big way.
Look at Northern Ireland without top players, we have top players with good onesQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
We should be good
Best since 1998.
Just going on tournaments we qualified for in my lifetime they are nowhere near the 78, 82, 86 teams. 90 was till probably a slightly better team. 96 and 98 teams is a tighter contest. 78, 82 and 86 teams really should have done better.
I was only 2 in 1998, so easily the best team I've seen in my lifetime.
Obviously some players I've seen that deserved so much better, aka McFadden. But pound for pound, the best Scotland side for me
I think that’s where I am, except being a bit older. France 98 is my earliest memory of watching Scotland at a tournament, but I think we have a more talented squad now. John Collins said himself on the Brown documentary that they didn’t have any real superstars in that team.. I would argue we have more than one now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Souter96Mac
And agree with the nod to faddy as well. He gave us some great individual moments.
I'm a similar age and would agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Missing a striker, even Kenny Miller would've made a difference, but other than that we're pretty solid.
Agree with this, '82 in particular probably the pick of the bunch in my opinion...I think we have some very good players in the current squad but none of the standard of a Dalglish, Souness or Hansen. Even Archibald wasnt a regular if I remember rightly and he went on to play for Barca. There was also McGrain, John Robertson and Gordon Strachan in that 86 squad..was some array of talent and they really should have performed better than they did at the Finals.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
I think the strength of the curent squad lies in its togerthness and team spirit..they are talented in certain areas but the crucial positions in striker and centre half are where I feel we lack real quality. Im hopeful we'll do well and qaulify form the group..I dont think that is beyond us as we've shown we can get a result when needed.
This squad has John McGinn.
Leagu cup winner at St Mirren. Hibs Scottish cup after 114 years. Villa promoted, ever present in the team. Scotland qualify for first tournament in 22 years.
This guy is a lucky mascot. This Scotland squad is the first that will qualify from their finals group. I’m telling ye.
I think Scotland have some very decent players just now, who are comparable with those I've seen in my time watching the national team (from mid 70s). Technically we are far better now than any Scotland teams of the past and Steve Clarke is a big reason for that.
We don't have the swashbuckling style of old, but we are a decent international side and the players are motivated to play for their country. Still think we have a weakness in central defence though, but we're stronger in that area than we were over the last few years.
This is the first group in a number of years that actually plays like a properly coached football team.It's good to see.
1974 was the best team. Should have gone further but was unlucky in the order of the group games.We started with Zaire and they played like it was their world cup final.After that they threw in the towel. If we'd played them last we would have qualified.
Player for player I dont think we are better than the 1970's or 80's squads. But we look a bit more of a team and thats down to Clarke.
Lots of great players in the 70's and 80's squads but like the look of the current squad and like Clarke as a manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wakeyhibee
Get us out of the group's stages and will be the greatest achievement of any squad.
Looking in from the outside, I'd ask the question if you took Bale out of the Wales team in the last Euros that did so well, is this Scottish team as good as them?
Unbelievable that the players we had in the 1950’s 60’s and 70’s didn’t do better. Considering the quality of player that didn’t get a look in for caps, those that did were world class
I showed my kids videos of Scotland in the 70's and 80s, we'll never see players of that calibre in such quantity ever again. If this is the best bunch in your lifetime I genuinely pity you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
Didn’t realise Scotland have never reached the knockout stages of a major tournament until earlier on. Crazy when in comparison Wales have only reached the World Cup and Euro’s once in their history (excluding this year) and reached the Quarter Final and Semi Final respectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by CentreLine
Scotland are every bit as unlucky as hibs when it comes to finals. We came home as the only unbeaten team in the 74 world cup, we were very unlucky to have played Zaire first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie
78 there are just no words to describe how good a team that was and their abject performance against Iran and Peru to then showing what they could do against Holland.
I think the overall quality of the squad is as good as we’ve had for at least 20 years but unfortunately we’’re a bit lacking in 2/3 key areas. We’ve an abundance of really class midfielders and 2 of the best left backs in Europe but we don’t have many striking options and right back is a problem area (at the moment, although Patterson looks very promising).
Really though- by playing to our strengths we should fear nobody.
74 team was unbeaten in the group stages. They were a very good side and in 78 we were good everywhere. We dont have world class players in the current squad except for maybe Tierney. In the past we had players like Dalgleish, Souness and Jordan leading the front making us stodgy but dangerous upfront. Also John Robertson from Notts Forrest was a class winger and John Wark from Ipswich deserves a mention but in those days from 74 we always qualified fir Wirld cups and that says it all really.
Some of those names just help us understand the dearth of real quality we have now …John Robertson , who looked more like a Sunday league footballer was outrageously good ..amongst many others, martin O’Neil and Brian Clough calling him “world class”…Quote:
Originally Posted by ahibby
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Dalglish and Souness (who was a midfielder) could never be described as stodgy footballers, both were world class players whilst at the peak of their games.Quote:
Originally Posted by ahibby
The current squad is light years away from what we had in 74,78, 82 and 86. Perhaps better comparison could be made with squads that qualified for major tournaments in the 90's.
The frustration is that we might not do anything with arguably our best squad in 30 years because of a bizarre team selection in the first game
For me the 78 squad was the best I've seen, Jordon, Dalglish, Gemmill, Hartford, Johnson, Macari, Souness, Buchan, Donachie, McQueen etc.
Believe it or not, I'm from the era where both those players were regularly criticised for not bringing their Liverpool form to the international team often enough - if you can believe that.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
We'll not see another Kenny Dalglish in a Scotland jersey for years and years sadly - he was a 'one off' and simply one of the best footballers we have ever produced.
The problem with the current side, no international quality strikers and no international quality centre halves. Key positions that we have not had quality in for decades. And there are none on the immediate horizon at club level. We have good club players, but none that will take that step to the next elite club level (in those positions). That's a scouting and development issue that goes deep into the failings of youth football (for me).
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Originally Posted by truehibernian
Yep, top players in the middle and club players front and back, you'll win nothing with that. We have an international striker sitting watching the games because he has personal problems and fitness issues.
Depends on interpretation of stodgy. Souness excelled in two footed tackles just ask Oleg Blokhin, I wouldnt get on the wrong side if Joe Jordan either, that was the point I was trying to make. I wouldnt have mentioned their names if they were nit top drawer players, maybe I didnt make that clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
Strange that about Liverpool players because Gerrard had the same treatment from some England fans. Maybe Alan Hansen was treated differently though.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
The press has always built up and run down players.
Daily Express headline on the morning of a midweek international LAW IS KING.
Daily Express headline next day LAW MUST GO.
Agree!Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
For me, we've never had centre backs and centre forwards in recent decades that can be compared favourably with those of the 70's and 80's. Same can be said about the wingers.
Even when Griffiths was at his best he wasn't a top drawer international standard player. He only managed 4 goals in 22 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
IMO Che Adams is a better player than Griffiths.
Craig Brown didn't help matters by saying this team could go all the way at the Euros. Unless he was meaning all the way to London. We are now in very real and likely danger of not getting a single point and Clarke to absolutely hounded.Quote:
Originally Posted by ancient hibee
https://www.skysports.com/football/n...ss-craig-brown
I mean what was he, of all people thinking saying that?
Stodgy for me means bland and uninspiring, like how I eat porridge every morning for my breakfast from Nov-April.Quote:
Originally Posted by ahibby
I saw Souness play quite a few times in the flesh when he was at the Hun, so I remember what he was like. He was on the telly a lot with Liverpool too. He was a hard, ruthless player, but as you say, top drawer.
Jordan wasn't quite at the same level as a Dalglish or a Souness but he would piss all over any striker in the current squad. Lyndon Dykes, FFS. He has one good game, v Serbia ( I think) but he is the archetypal donkey.
To answer the OP's question, very few compare favourably with players in the teams of the 70's and 80's, with maybe the 90's being a better comparison.
Below is the Euro 96 squad. Most of the strikers would enhance the current squad. There's not much difference in quality between the midfields - i.e. McTominay would be comparable to McAllister, McGinn to Collins, McCall to McGregor etc. The 96 defence looks stronger physically, but no-one is as good as Robertson or Tierney.
Also below is the World Cup 1978 squad. Not many of the current squad would get into the 1978 squad, apart from a goalkeepers, Robbo and Tierney.
1996 Squad
Goalkeeper
12 Andy Goram
1 Jim Leighton
22 Nicky Walker
Defender
3 Tommy Boyd
4 Colin Calderwood
5 Colin Hendry
2 Stewart McKimmie
13 Tosh McKinlay
6 Derek Whyte
Midfielder
16 Craig Burley
11 John Collins
21 Scott Gemmill
10 Gary McAllister
8 Stuart McCall
17 Billy McKinlay
Forward
20 Scott Booth
14 Gordon Durie
18 Kevin Gallacher
19 Darren Jackson
15 Eoin Jess
9 Ally McCoist
7 John Spencer
1978 Squad
Goalkeeper
12 Jim Blyth
20 Bobby Clark
1 Alan Rough
Defender
4 Martin Buchan
22 Kenny Burns
3 Willie Donachie
14 Tom Forsyth
2 Sandy Jardine
13 Stuart Kennedy
5 Gordon McQueen
Midfielder
15 Archie Gemmill
21 Joe Harper
10 Asa Hartford
16 Lou Macari
7 Don Masson
6 Bruce Rioch
19 John Robertson
18 Graeme Souness
Forward
8 Kenny Dalglish
11 Willie Johnston
17 Derek Johnstone
9 Joe Jordan
If the 74/78/82 squads were playing in today's world cup format they'd probably have got to the knockout rounds. It was much harder with 16 teams.
Before my time, but it's a bit strange that we didn't do anything in the late 60s/early 70s time when all-Scottish teams were regularly playing deep into European comps and even winning them.
Before all our times, but had there been international tournaments 1880-1930 and/or we'd gone to the first 3 world cups (we thought they were beneath us :rolleyes:), we might have multiple wins under our belts.
Look at our qualifying groups during the 60's. Up against Italy and West Germany for 66 and 70 respectively. Only the group winners only qualified. I suspect our amateurish approach to team management and selection hindered us too.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
In 62 we went out after a play off against Czechoslovakia. They were beaten in the final.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
Ouch.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
78 we eliminated reigning Euro Champs Czechoslovakia in qualifying and beat the runners-up, Netherlands, in the first group stage. If only we'd been able to take care of Iran. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod