🆕 Scott Allan has joined Inverness CT on loan.
The 29 year is looking to continue his recovery back to full fitness by building up his match fitness with the Championship side.
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🆕 Scott Allan has joined Inverness CT on loan.
The 29 year is looking to continue his recovery back to full fitness by building up his match fitness with the Championship side.
Wouldn’t help that lot if it was the only club on earth.
We’re helping ourselves, and Scott Allan.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Probably more helping Scott Allan which I'm all for.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Makes sense, will get him the games and match sharpness he needs and then come back for pre season ready to kick on(hopefully)
Provided he has the players around him, he'll be a standout player for the rest of the championship season.
I reckon this is a strange one.
If he’s fit to play for them then surely he’s fit to play for us?
I’d have used him recently when we’ve been chasing games.
A good move, we need SA back to full fitness, not going to get the required game time with us
As long as this isn't us looking to move him on. I'd still rather keep him here this season especially with the cup still to play for.
Makes sense
After my initial shock & confusion at this, I’m of the mind that this really makes a lot of sense.
The guy needs to play football to get back to the level required for us and we can’t offer that until the Pre-season. He’ll come back fitter and stronger.
Would rather it was Raith or Dunfermline mind you.
I’m not so sure it’s strange. Reading what Ross has had to say, it’s a player that is frustrated at being available but not getting any game time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Will it do much for his overall fitness if he’s then going to go on holiday at the end of the season?Quote:
Originally Posted by LancsHibs
Surely if he’s not fit to play for us between now and the end of the season then it’ll be all about his pre-season?
I reckon he’s fit to play and unhappy not getting a game for us so has agitated for a move.
There’s plenty of other clubs he could’ve went to and would’ve bit our hand off. Scot Gardner and Neil McCann deserve none of our help.Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
It’s also not going to help us considering he’ll not be back until pre season.
I haven’t read any comments but that would make more sense to me (see my comment above).Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
We should have been giving him game time IMO. Other players have been getting chucked on with 20 minutes to that have made no sense while Scott was sat on the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
He has stated he feels in the best shape he has been in and has been deemed fit enough to be on the bench so not really getting why we couldn’t have been slowly giving him more game time each week to build him back to full fitness, especially when it’s clear as day that we’re crying out for a creative player to make our play more exciting and attack minded.
Surprised raith or Dunfermline didn’t ask the question. Sensible move to give him game time. Scott will feel much better heading into the close season with a few games under his belt.
"We would have preferred to have kept Scott in the group but he expressed a strong desire to go out on loan. Currently, and understandably given the challenges he has faced during the past year he doesn’t feel fit enough to make the impact that his abilities should in the top part of the Premiership. Therefore Scott feels that strengthening his fitness and continuing his recovery in the Championship is a sensible option. We feel that it was appropriate to continue to support Scott in his recovery by sanctioning the loan move."Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Presented as helping Allan but to me, the manager just hasn’t wanted to play him. He was never going to get match fit without any match involvement.
Seems viable to give him game time, assuming he plays every week.
It will help us a great deal, it will help demonstrate whether the treatment he is receiving for his Heart condition will help him be able to play a full 90 mins without experiencing the extreme fatigue he was having. It will also allow him to play football regularly again which having been out for a long (and no doubt stressful at times) period, should hopefully improve both his mental health and confidence that he still has a career in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Out of interest, what is it exactly that Scot Gardiner and Neil McCann have done to offend you so much except having previously been associated with Hearts and Rangers?
Makes sense. We have 5 games left and he isn't likely to feature. Get him a few games then ready to go for pre season and Europe.
Agree completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
20 minutes of game time is meaningless when we need to test how his treatment is helping his ability to last a full 90 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrRobot
Scot Gardiner is a prick, plain and simple. McCann has previous for absolutely ruining players (Scott Bain anyone). Pair of dinosaurs up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
Inverness have 6 games left. It’s definitely not going to benefit us. If Allan’s treatment wasn’t working then he wouldn’t have been training and in match day squads for us. The testing he had to go through to get back there’s absolutely no chance we’d have been taking that chance if we weren’t sure.
Jack Ross league record is obviously very good, the table doesn't lie, but he does have a problem accommodating flair players. There's been quite a few opportunities to get Scott on as a sub to get some minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Fingers crossed once Scott is fully up to speed and with games under his belt that he can be a part of Jack's first choice 11.
We can be functional and steady in the league but to win cups, win Euro league games and upset the Old Firm there has to be class players in the team.
Hopefully this is the first step back.
Yeah, so it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
I’m a bit uneasy about this tbh.
A fit Scott Allan walks into any team outwith the OF. Either he isn’t as fit as he thinks he is or Jack Ross just doesn’t fancy him that much. Neither situation is that great.
I can see why he’d be pissed off. If Hallberg gets on ahead of him when we’re chasing the game in Perth, when is he going to get a chance? He’s shown in flashes what he can do when making appearances off the bench.
That was the game that I was thinking about when I mentioned that Ross just doesn’t want to play him really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
As someone else says, it might be a case that he’s not as fit as he thinks. But after that game, I wasn’t really expecting to see him again this season and thought it was utterly pointless him being there anyway.
Why would you play a player who doesn’t feel capable of making an impact. I imagine the hope was that if we were comfortable in a game then Allan could’ve got some reasonable game time and worked from there. Throwing him under the bus when we’re chasing games or playing the best teams in the country would be a great way to get him back playing...Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
This way his ability will pull him through the first couple of games to get up to speed playing for a manager that he knows and played well under before
I can't imagine our manager being so weak as to lie to us about this. If he didn't want to play Scott then he'd say something about having enough cover in the middle so there would be few, if any, opportunities for him to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Also, he wouldn't say it was Scott's "strong desire" to go on loan if it wasn't.
Clearly Scott feels he's only up to a bit part contribution in the Premiership so he wants to sharpen up at a lower level.
Yet we put him on against St Johnstone in the cup pumping when we were absolutely chasing the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by davhibby
I feel the same. I don’t think Jack Ross sees him as a key player for us at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Scott himself has personally asked for a loan move and look at the quotes from our manager, “he doesn’t feel fit enough to make the impact that his abilities should in the top part of the Premiership. Therefore Scott feels that strengthening his fitness and continuing his recovery in the Championship is a sensible option”. Maybe you should tell Scott not to bother with his loan move as you obviously know what will benefit the club and himself better than he does - or alternatively you could grow up and stop moaning because he’s going to a football club that employ a couple of ex-Jambos.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Good move for all.
What do people mean by “he’s not as fit as he thinks”?Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Hasn’t he said himself that he’s not quite there hence he wants out on loan (for those of us that don’t think jack ross is lying about that)?
The solution should have been easy here. Scott needs game time and we can benefit from an extremely talented player to come in and give us 20 mins when legs are tired and his brain and vision can help us.
The fact Ross wont do that saddens me.
Good for Scott that he just wants to play though.
Yes and there’s probably a reason why that’s not been done again. The bedwetting from some over this is mental. Allan was playing every week after Ross came in last season and for the first month of this one so the whole thing about Ross not liking him doesn’t stand up at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrRobot
This way he could easily get 8/9 games out of this move, get his confidence back and enjoy playing again. Then next season he’s had a full pre season as well and all of that is good for us.
Scott has said that he doesn't think he can do what you want from him. He's said he'd like to go on loan to continue his rehabilitation.Quote:
Originally Posted by keep the faith
It saddens me that you think he's lying.
Your talking about Scott proving to Hibs that he can play 90 minutes while recovering, your quote there is nothing to do with that. It’s about playing games just now, but that won’t benefit us next season as hell start again in pre season anyway, and they only have 6 games left, it’s hardly game changing amounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
Neil McCann isn’t a good manager and has previous for wrecking players, Scott could barely get a start when he was at Dundee under him - is that really going to change now when he’s barely played for a year and Inverness are scrapping?
Heehaw to do with ‘ex hearts’ and more to do with how they are as people.
Like I said, there’s plenty other clubs out there.
Understandable move. Scott knows the best way to get back to his best is playing regularly. Also a decent signing for Inverness in their push for promotion.
It's a bit odd that Ross seems to suggest he doesn't want him to go on loan though rather that we are facilitating it at the request of the player.
If the player doesn't think he is fit, the manager hasn't been playing him and the player is desperate to play and go on loan then I don't get why we would have preferred to do something different.
It's probably much ado about nothing but I find the wording Ross uses strange.
Scott Allen knows what Neil McCann is like and he wants to play for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
It would be a strange decision by your pal McCann to take him on loan if he has no intentions of using him.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Like others I get the impression Ross doesn’t really rate Allan unlike his golden boy Newell. Nor would I totally trust everything he says.
He probably should have prefaced that comment with "ideally".Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Bed wetting because we want our best and most creative player kept at the club :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by davhibby
It’s sad that folk are using this as an excuse to bash Jack Ross.
Of course it's an overreaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrRobot
The player isn't fit enough so he's taking steps to remedy that. That should be applauded, not condemned.
Neil McCann had quite a few problems at Dundee and probably most of his own making but he's maybe learnt from that?
The impression I got was that he tried to get the team playing a passing game and possibly over reached with the ability of the players available, Scott could help with that and get his spark back again?
That said he could only get game time off the bench at Dundee so it may be more of the same for him at ICT.
We'll find out soon and I'm rooting for it to be a great success
Was always going to be a difficult situation.
I felt as soon as his health issue was made public that his time as a player with us was pretty much over.
Doubt he’ll play for us again and wish him all the best whatever he does next.
Re the first bit, I think that’s fairly obvious. Allan has said he’s feeling good and wants to play. Ross watches him every day and possibly disagrees with that, hence the lack of game time, even from the bench. If it’s not that scenario, then the only other reason for not getting him on the pitch is that he doesn’t see a place for him in the team (even if not from the start) at the moment. Thought it became quite clear there wasn’t any intention of using him, whatever the reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Will be interesting to see how much he does play, and if he gets chucked out at left midfield again like the last time.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
If it’s going to get him much more game time, that’s fine. I’m surprised at where he’s going ( I can’t stand the club and the folk running it.) I wonder how this has come about? Did they approach us? Did we actively look for a club? :dunno:
Were we not already 3-0 down? Game was done and dusted.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrRobot
If he doesn’t rate him why did he start him in the vast majority of games since he became manager until Allan had to stop playing?Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
There’s a lot of assumptions being made there with nothing to back it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
If Scott felt he wasn't at the required level to make an impact in the top 6 of the Premiership yet then he deserves enormous credit for pushing to go out on loan. It'll do his body and mind the world of good playing out the season at that level.
Changed his opinion ? Prefers others over him ?Quote:
Originally Posted by davhibby
Not fit enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
Why would you think that???Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
Geez, no assumptions at all, just a gut feeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
I’m hardly claiming to be in the know or stating anything to be a fact ffs!
Which he’d get if Ross gave him some game time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
The usual knock stations on here.... the quotes from the club show it’s a positive move for both parties.
If we achieve Europe for next season the first few games will be before our preseason or at least during the preseason.... by going out on loan it allows Allan to get a head start on his fitness and match fitness... it’s a long road back after being out for so long, we have to remember that it’s not a muscle strain or ligament damage he is recovering from... it’s a heart condition, it’s not the same road back to fitness..
I just think his days as a top flight footballer are over and that we’ll see more of him in the tv studios than on the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by keep the faith
I'm conflicted about it, I've been thinking he's an excellent option to have when required, but if it's not working for him (which might impact his effectiveness when used) then maybe going somewhere where things will be more 'normal'... regular training, games etc, a wee rest then hit the ground running with the rest of the team in preseason... sorted!Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
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Just because he hasn't played him that much doesn't mean he wants to loan him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
It makes sense in a way but it's not usual. I doubt he will be back if Ross stays. Whats the strategy? That he goes up there starts all games, plays really well and then he comes back and he's a part of Ross' starting 11 again? Nah. Can't see it. Good luck to him he deserves all the success in the world, he of all people, deserves it
It’s a catch 22, he’s not fit enough to play but won’t get fitter without game time. Reads like you are looking for an excuse to point the finger.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
The overwhelming evidence suggests that neither of those are the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
He's been out for months with a career threatening condition. You don't get up to top six premiership level over night especially after something like that. I like Scott but there's no way he's ready to start games at our level yet. This move will benefit both him and us.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
And it would impact the team while we’re chasing our highest league position in years. That would be crazier than letting him go and get fit elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
Of course that’s the strategy... why is that so far fetched!! Allan wants to be in contention for a starting place and currently feels he isn’t fit enough to be that.... like I’ve said catch 22. Going out on loan is a huge positive for all of us.... thankfully we have the luxury of having a strong enough squad to allow this to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenio
Life threatening.... not just career threatening.... as I have pointed out in past posts.... it’s not a sporting injury he is recovering from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
I’m not suggesting he should start, but he’s an excellent option to bring on when defences are tiring. He managed to set up Nisbet for a great chance in a recent game. Ross clearly doesn’t think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
That is trueQuote:
Originally Posted by BlackSheep
I can't think of it happening to a player of his level. Happy to be proven wrong if you know otherwiseQuote:
Originally Posted by BlackSheep
I used to think similarly, but the games are too important just now to use them to get players fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
If Scott was 100% then I'd question why he wasn't being used, but I wouldn't want to risk points by weakening the midfield if he's not.
Bringing him on against St Johnstone at 3-0 made sense because the game was gone.
Our recent games have been far too tight to take risks.
It really is...some on here never waste an opportunity to bash our manager...this place reeks sometimesQuote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
That's a very good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSheep
I’d also add to this that considering just a few months ago Allan thought he might never be able to play again, he’s maybe just desperate to play every week again?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSheep
I never said it wasn’t Allan’s desire to go on loan. The complete opposite is obvious, in that it’s him that’s pushed for it because of lack of opportunity to play here. It wont be a case of Allan not thinking he can’t contribute in the Premiership for me, it’s the fact that he isn’t getting the opportunity to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Irrespective of the level, he needs games to get himself up to speed. I can see why he’d want to go out. I can’t see why we wanted to keep him if it was just to fill a space on the bench (which wasn’t going to get him any fitter).
That's where I am. I'd worry bringing Scott off the bench against Celtic, Rangers and Aberdeen he'd be swallowed up. It's a stretch too far for him at the moment and seems he knows that himself. Would do him and us more harm than good. He's been through hell, it will take time for him to get back to that level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
.....That was my first thought...IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Scott wants to go on loan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenio
If he gets fit, he will return and he will play. Isn't that the plan for most loaners, albeit with youngsters it's more about experience than fitness?
Hes not at the level required to make an impact for us in Top6 matches whats so hard to understand about that??Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
The games he has come on in St J at Hampden and Motherwell at home he's made very little impact and its not fair on him playing a bit part when he's trying to get his fitness levels back up...I dont get why this isn't seen as anything other than a good move for all concerned, tho I do agree id have preferred him to go to Raith or Pars rather than the Jambo love affair of ICT
Can you think of any other players, at any level, who developed a heart condition? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenio
As I’ve said I wouldn’t be starting him, but he’s an option to come off the bench. If you think he’s so far off it he would be a total liability coming on for the last 20 or so minutes then fair enough. I don’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
Why would your first thought be to not believe the club you support?Quote:
Originally Posted by H18S NX
He does though and that’s probably more important than what me or you think given we have no knowledge of his condition.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
Good luck up there Scott. Get the game time you want, get back to full fitness and then get yourself back here for a European jaunt.
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He's said he doesn't think he can contribute at Premiership level. I think I agree with your second paragraph. I think Ross means that ideally he'd like to keep Scott, and has wanted to use him, but he's not fit enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Totally agree with you this time :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
Ideally he needs to play a few games then have a good pre-season then we'll see how he is at the beginning of next season.
Yet as you chose to ignore he still set up Nisbet for a great chance which he missed. What’s so hard to understand about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borderhibbie76
And why is everyone talking about there only being league games, are we not playing the Scottish Cup too ?
Is that not because normally there are plenty of reserve/development games where a player in Allan’s situation would have spent a while building up game time in those matches before he’d be considered ready for the first team? We’ve not been able to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenio
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Originally Posted by marinello59
I'll be happy for him to get game time for his match fitness, but I'm a bit worried about that as well.
I think Ross has a game plan that doesn't really allow for flair players.
Well someone better tell that to Jack Ross as he seemed to have space in the team for Allan before his illnessQuote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
I don't think he'd be a total liability, but I wouldn't want to keep a player on the bench who was only able to give me 80% for quarter of an hour or so, unless I had no other options.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
What if someone gets injured early in the match?
He’s been training for long enough now to suggest he’s fully fit, his interview said the same, so no reason why he can’t give 100% for 15-20 minutes. Match fitness is a different matter obviously. Plus we have more scope for subs than we had in previous seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
I agree with Keith’s post above, not convinced Ross has a game plan that fits flair players like Scott Allan. Also feel he’d rather hold onto a point than take a risk of bringing on a player to win a game. Though I appreciate some folk will be happy with that approach.
This is a baffling and incompetent decision. We are letting our best player (arguably one of the best creative midfielders in Scotland) go on loan at the most critical point of the season with the Scottish Cup on the horizon too. Decisions like this just annoy the fans.
Nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borderhibbie76
Some fans not all fansQuote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
Anything the manager does annoys some people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs