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With the Super Bowl having 20k fans and a fantastic atmosphere helped by various audios and visuals I wonder what are the chances of any fans in Hampden in June?

Assuming the tournament goes ahead which I think UEFA are confident will happen, the suggestion is it will be home fans only to avoid traveling across countries.

So if we make the assumption by say May all over 50s and many under 50s have been vaccinated, we assume infection levels very low given lockdown and vaccine helping restrict transmission, what are the chances of a crowd of some level mid June v Czech?

Even 25% say 12,500 would still make a decent noise but we also know the FM dislikes football and we hardly have any test events on the horizon.

You can just see Wembley with 30k and us with 1,500. 😕

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With the Super Bowl having 20k fans and a fantastic atmosphere helped by various audios and visuals I wonder what are the chances of any fans in Hampden in June?

Assuming the tournament goes ahead which I think UEFA are confident will happen, the suggestion is it will be home fans only to avoid traveling across countries.

So if we make the assumption by say May all over 50s and many under 50s have been vaccinated, we assume infection levels very low given lockdown and vaccine helping restrict transmission, what are the chances of a crowd of some level mid June v Czech?

Even 25% say 12,500 would still make a decent noise but we also know the FM dislikes football and we hardly have any test events on the horizon.

You can just see Wembley with 30k and us with 1,500. 😕

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I think there may be some fans allowed into Hampden for this but 25% capacity might be pushing it.

It's still over 4 months away though and it's also at the best time of year in terms of virus prevalence so we just need to hope for the best.

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With the Super Bowl having 20k fans and a fantastic atmosphere helped by various audios and visuals I wonder what are the chances of any fans in Hampden in June?

Assuming the tournament goes ahead which I think UEFA are confident will happen, the suggestion is it will be home fans only to avoid traveling across countries.

So if we make the assumption by say May all over 50s and many under 50s have been vaccinated, we assume infection levels very low given lockdown and vaccine helping restrict transmission, what are the chances of a crowd of some level mid June v Czech?

Even 25% say 12,500 would still make a decent noise but we also know the FM dislikes football and we hardly have any test events on the horizon.

You can just see Wembley with 30k and us with 1,500. 😕

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Jason Leitch said last week he was 'confident' the games would go ahead, but 'not confident' about whether fans would be there to see them.

I've got tickets for the Czech game, the last 16 at Hampden and the Semi final at Wembley but have all but resigned myself to missing out. I guess you may get a reduced capacity but even that seems tricky.

So based on Boris roadmap - IF we said form one minute Scotland follows the same timeline then:-

10,000 fans for Hampden v Czech
10,000 fans for Wembley v England
52,000 fans for Hampden v Croatia

And full crowd for potential last 16 at Hampden

I am willing to bet right here right now we will hear NOTHING re football tomorrow from Nicola Sturgeon.

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So based on Boris roadmap - IF we said form one minute Scotland follows the same timeline then:-

10,000 fans for Hampden v Czech
10,000 fans for Wembley v England
52,000 fans for Hampden v Croatia

And full crowd for potential last 16 at Hampden

I am willing to bet right here right now we will hear NOTHING re football tomorrow from Nicola Sturgeon.

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Scottish Parliament election on 6th May will influence her decision.

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Scottish Parliament election on 6th May will influence her decision.

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In what way?

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In what way?

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She will be more inclined to allow fans into Hampden if she thinks it would otherwise cost votes.

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She will be more inclined to allow fans into Hampden if she thinks it would otherwise cost votes.

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🤦🏻 Good grief, you really think ‘she’ will make such a decision based on an election the SNP are predicted to win by a landslide yet again anyway? Also, you do realise there are elections almost every year yeh?

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So based on Boris roadmap - IF we said form one minute Scotland follows the same timeline then:-

10,000 fans for Hampden v Czech
10,000 fans for Wembley v England
52,000 fans for Hampden v Croatia

And full crowd for potential last 16 at Hampden

I am willing to bet right here right now we will hear NOTHING re football tomorrow from Nicola Sturgeon.

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Think Sturgeon needs to recognise the significance of the Scottish National side reaching its first major finals in decades by opening up to unlimited crowds from Mon 14 June :thumbsup:

And declaring it a National Holiday !

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She will be more inclined to allow fans into Hampden if she thinks it would otherwise cost votes.

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Absolute nonsense, love her or hate her she is unlikely to be looking for a few votes by allowing fans into a football game

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Think Sturgeon needs to recognise the significance of the Scottish National side reaching its first major finals in decades by opening up to unlimited crowds from Mon 14 June :thumbsup:

And declaring it a National Holiday !

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I've got a feeling a National Holiday the next day might not go amiss either!

For once and I mean once Boris has played a blinder on his roadmap. He has universally got buy-in going by today’s reaction.

Football and travel (home and abroad) along with when we will be out of this are major sweetspots for many. Sturgeon admitted today she left four nation call to do her own daily press conference. Tomorrow is a big day for her and I hope the SFA are ready to go tonto if she takes very different approach.

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So based on Boris roadmap - IF we said form one minute Scotland follows the same timeline then:-

10,000 fans for Hampden v Czech
10,000 fans for Wembley v England
52,000 fans for Hampden v Croatia

And full crowd for potential last 16 at Hampden

I am willing to bet right here right now we will hear NOTHING re football tomorrow from Nicola Sturgeon.

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I wonder if it will just be SSC members and English supporters club neighbours for the 10’000 capacity at wembley.

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I wonder if it will just be SSC members and English supporters club neighbours for the 10’000 capacity at wembley.

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Will be more than 10k at Wembley, will be some form of mass testing to allow a full crowd otherwise it would make no sense to go from 10k to 90k in the space of 4 days.

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Will be more than 10k at Wembley, will be some form of mass testing to allow a full crowd otherwise it would make no sense to go from 10k to 90k in the space of 4 days.

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Will be more than 10k at Wembley, will be some form of mass testing to allow a full crowd otherwise it would make no sense to go from 10k to 90k in the space of 4 days.

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This makes sense other than it’s the day before the phase 4 Boris ‘no earlier than...” roadmap..

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For once and I mean once Boris has played a blinder on his roadmap. He has universally got buy-in going by today’s reaction.

Football and travel (home and abroad) along with when we will be out of this are major sweetspots for many. Sturgeon admitted today she left four nation call to do her own daily press conference. Tomorrow is a big day for her and I hope the SFA are ready to go tonto if she takes very different approach.

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It's only a blinder if he's right. Apart from the vaccine roll out he's got everything wrong in this pandemic. How many times has he had to u turn after making promises? Back in March 2020 he said we could turn the tide in 12 weeks. And here we are nearly a year later. He was also supposed to save Christmas and look how that turned out.

I have tickets to a couple of games at Hampden and would love to get away this summer but won't be booking anything as he's over promised and under delivered far too many times.

Is there not a chance the venue can still get moved? Was reading UEFA are due to make a decision on the format on 5 March

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I reckon UEFA will be in their ear, hence why there will be a stipulation for testing in order for it to happen. Royal Ascot also starts on June 15th and I’d expect they’d like to have more than 10k in for that also.

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Is there not a chance the venue can still get moved? Was reading UEFA are due to make a decision on the format on 5 March

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The chat is it’s fairly certain it will go ahead with or without fans and no other date options.

They will restrict any away fans to avoid travel and worse case we might see small crowds but 10k would still make some noise..

It seems logical now for the entire tournament to be held within the UK.

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The chat is it’s fairly certain it will go ahead with or without fans and no other date options.

They will restrict any away fans to avoid travel and worse case we might see small crowds but 10k would still make some noise..

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Yeah I know it will go ahead but I think uefa are looking at having in one place, like the uk or elsewhere rather that different countries like the original format

Given how the UK has handled the pandemic and the dominant variant here I can’t imagine it being held solely in the UK

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Given how the UK has handled the pandemic and the dominant variant here I can’t imagine it being held solely in the UK

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Given that we’ll be the only country in Europe with a population immunised and the ability to host a tournament I’d say that the UK is in pole position.

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She will be more inclined to allow fans into Hampden if she thinks it would otherwise cost votes.

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Ignorance beyond comprehension.

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For once and I mean once Boris has played a blinder on his roadmap. He has universally got buy-in going by today’s reaction.

Football and travel (home and abroad) along with when we will be out of this are major sweetspots for many. Sturgeon admitted today she left four nation call to do her own daily press conference. Tomorrow is a big day for her and I hope the SFA are ready to go tonto if she takes very different approach.

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I think that for our parliament people not dying in large numbers and overwhelming the wards in hospitals is more of a "major sweetspot" than getting us back into football grounds or flying off to Benidorm for 2 weeks, even if the SFA "goes tonto" whatever that means.

I dont expect our announcement will be much different tomorrow.

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I wonder if it will just be SSC members and English supporters club neighbours for the 10’000 capacity at wembley.

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Sponsors and delegates will be first in line.

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Given that we’ll be the only country in Europe with a population immunised and the ability to host a tournament I’d say that the UK is in pole position.

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Immunised by a vaccine that's only 62% effective and likely to fail against new strains of the virus unfortunately. 62% effective and probably only 75% at most of the population willing to be vaccinated means less than half the population being immunised by the end of the rollout.

Sorry but today was nothing more than blind optimism again by Johnson, he'll be rolling back the dates he listed today just like he has had to roll back every other incorrect prediction he has made about the virus in the last year.

Judging by my work colleagues, there will be major disquiet if Sturgeon doesn’t largely mirror the English roadmap out of lockdown. I’ll be gutted if I can’t get to at least one of the three group games Scotland play.

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Judging by my work colleagues, there will be major disquiet if Sturgeon doesn’t largely mirror the English roadmap out of lockdown. I’ll be gutted if I can’t get to at least one of the three group games Scotland play.

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She will always try to do her one upmanship on Boris to demonstrate how rubbish the English are. Boris has been fairly cautious for once so will be interesting to see what her spin will be tomorrow.

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She will always try to do her one upmanship on Boris to demonstrate how rubbish the English are. Boris has been fairly cautious for once so will be interesting to see what her spin will be tomorrow.

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She will always try to do her one upmanship on Boris to demonstrate how rubbish the English are. Boris has been fairly cautious for once so will be interesting to see what her spin will be tomorrow.

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Wow her spin complete nonsense.

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She will always try to do her one upmanship on Boris to demonstrate how rubbish the English are. Boris has been fairly cautious for once so will be interesting to see what her spin will be tomorrow.

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You are obviously not a NS fan which is entirely your right, but if you think that its just her that has demonstrated the (not very tricky) ability to show Boris up for the clueless upper class twit that he is then you need to open your eyes.

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Wow her spin complete nonsense.

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:agree: so much ignorance in just one post

Shall I move this to the Holy Ground? :wink:

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She will always try to do her one upmanship on Boris to demonstrate how rubbish the English are. Boris has been fairly cautious for once so will be interesting to see what her spin will be tomorrow.

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As said above, that's a poor post tbh.

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For once and I mean once Boris has played a blinder on his roadmap. He has universally got buy-in going by today’s reaction.

Football and travel (home and abroad) along with when we will be out of this are major sweetspots for many. Sturgeon admitted today she left four nation call to do her own daily press conference. Tomorrow is a big day for her and I hope the SFA are ready to go tonto if she takes very different approach.

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I wonder if Bojo has told the virus?

And she left the meeting early. Bojo has missed umpteen COBRA meetings

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon will address Holyrood today but is not expected to outline plans for potential Hampden crowds — or even if Scots will be allowed to travel over the border by June.

If true imagine Hampden having no fans but England games full of capacity in June. Can rightly see people p####d off with that decision.

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First Minister Nicola Sturgeon will address Holyrood today but is not expected to outline plans for potential Hampden crowds — or even if Scots will be allowed to travel over the border by June.

If true imagine Hampden having no fans but England games full of capacity in June. Can rightly see people p####d off with that decision.

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Outwitted by Boris Johnson. Jeez. May elections will be sorted though, 100% never in danger.

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First Minister Nicola Sturgeon will address Holyrood today but is not expected to outline plans for potential Hampden crowds — or even if Scots will be allowed to travel over the border by June.

If true imagine Hampden having no fans but England games full of capacity in June. Can rightly see people p####d off with that decision.

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Just remember that all of the bold promises are dependent on a very specific set of data going in the right directions.

Its entirely feasible that - having stated that all restrictions will disappear by 21 June - that this doesnt happen.

I hope it does, but the English govt has a history of failed bold promises on Covid.

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Outwitted by Boris Johnson. Jeez. May elections will be sorted though, 100% never in danger.

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You do understand that Boris has to say all of this because he has a bunch of idiots in the backbench screaming for everything to be opened up? Hence he can say anything and everything.............and caveat it by saying that the data has to stack up.

You think that elections in May is decided by NS? I dont think you understand how these decisions are made.

Also, you seem to think that every single decision NS makes is made to annoy football fans..............her husband is a Hibby.

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Outwitted by Boris Johnson. Jeez. May elections will be sorted though, 100% never in danger.

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All Johnson has done is what he always does be the populist and try and get people to like him with Ill thought out announcements which aren't in any way predictions that can't and usually are changed. Definitely trying to put pressure on SG particularly in regard to sporting dates around about the Euros. Will be interesting to see how UEFA react to that.

Did one of the journos ask the question about how many deaths this would cause by opening up when significant numbers of the population won't be vaccinated by then? Think 30k was mentioned

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First Minister Nicola Sturgeon will address Holyrood today but is not expected to outline plans for potential Hampden crowds — or even if Scots will be allowed to travel over the border by June.

If true imagine Hampden having no fans but England games full of capacity in June. Can rightly see people p####d off with that decision.

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If it is safe to do so then they would be right to be annoyed however have serious doubts this will happen. Even if June 21st happens that is after the Wembley game where they are currently predicting max of 10k if all goes well. UEFA will decide I assume.

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Outwitted by Boris Johnson. Jeez. May elections will be sorted though, 100% never in danger.

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You seem very confident that Boris’ roadmap will go off without a hitch and every date for easing restrictions will be met, this seems very odd given the sheer number of times over the past year that he’s over promised and under delivered when it comes to this pandemic. I don’t think there’s any chance we’ll be back to normal by June with full crowds, no matter what Boris has said.

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You seem very confident that Boris’ roadmap will go off without a hitch and every date for easing restrictions will be met, this seems very odd given the sheer number of times over the past year that he’s over promised and under delivered when it comes to this pandemic. I don’t think there’s any chance we’ll be back to normal by June with full crowds, no matter what Boris has said.

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For once in this whole mess it actually feels like a semi-thought out plan and we all need a bit of hope at the moment. The public need to see some goals and come carrots dangled to keep them engaged and onside as much as possible with ongoing restrictions for the next 4 months.

However, Covid is not just going to magically dissapear in June and mask wearing and social distancing could be with us for a lot longer. The worry is the tone of the reporting this morning, using emotive terms like Freedom, sends the wrong message.

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You are obviously not a NS fan which is entirely your right, but if you think that its just her that has demonstrated the (not very tricky) ability to show Boris up for the clueless upper class twit that he is then you need to open your eyes.

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Boris is an idiot as this last year has clearly shown, where incisive leadership and clear thinking has been absent at every turn so it's not hard to show him up.

BBB

Bring back Blair.

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Bring back Blair.

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Never really rated Jim. We have had loads better forwards than him :greengrin

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Just remember that all of the bold promises are dependent on a very specific set of data going in the right directions.

Its entirely feasible that - having stated that all restrictions will disappear by 21 June - that this doesnt happen.

I hope it does, but the English govt has a history of failed bold promises on Covid.



You do understand that Boris has to say all of this because he has a bunch of idiots in the backbench screaming for everything to be opened up? Hence he can say anything and everything.............and caveat it by saying that the data has to stack up.

You think that elections in May is decided by NS? I dont think you understand how these decisions are made.

Also, you seem to think that every single decision NS makes is made to annoy football fans..............her husband is a Hibby.

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I can’t stand Boris Johnson. My dislike towards him and his cronies is in a scale I could never imagine. He has overseen disaster after disaster. However his plan yesterday was as clear and fairly balanced roadmap to date. I have no doubt things could go to the right however for many people HOPE is everything. This is not 2020. We have a vaccine, scientists are openly saying the early results on effectiveness are astonishing. Israel real live data is showing numbers drop off a cliff, they have just reopened. Sky published a chart yesterday which has the UK as the strictest lockdown of all major countries (currently) yet we have the 3rd fastest rollout of vaccine.

I have been a huge fan of NS approach on this pandemic up to the turn of the year. She has forgotten about the need to balance life. She can’t get rid of it as we border with England and they are not trying to completely extinguish the virus. The reason people are getting infected right now is in the main down to complete idiots who can’t control themselves (house parties). We can’t go endless months because of the minority in this country but I fear NS only interests is health for all regardless.

Anyway back to football and hampden in June. My daughter is back at school yesterday for art and design (5th year) - she takes the daily covid test at home and has a result in minutes. Is it really that unreasonable to insist that say 10k fans do this on morning of the game and upload results into a secure site for checking at gate? Last week SAGE confirmed zero /zilch/nada covid infections from beaches last summer in the UK despite all the alarming crowded pictures. So outside it now is clear reduced the risk significantly.

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I can’t stand Boris Johnson. My dislike towards him and his cronies is in a scale I could never imagine. He has overseen disaster after disaster. However his plan yesterday was as clear and fairly balanced roadmap to date. I have no doubt things could go to the right however for many people HOPE is everything. This is not 2020. We have a vaccine, scientists are openly saying the early results on effectiveness are astonishing. Israel real live data is showing numbers drop off a cliff, they have just reopened. Sky published a chart yesterday which has the UK as the strictest lockdown of all major countries (currently) yet we have the 3rd fastest rollout of vaccine.

I have been a huge fan of NS approach on this pandemic up to the turn of the year. She has forgotten about the need to balance life. She can’t get rid of it as we border with England and they are not trying to completely extinguish the virus. The reason people are getting infected right now is in the main down to complete idiots who can’t control themselves (house parties). We can’t go endless months because of the minority in this country but I fear NS only interests is health for all regardless.

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Completely agree with almost every word

The only thing I’d disagree on is the bit about idiots at house party. I know I’ll be in the minority, I’ve just come to the conclusion that everyone has their breaking point, that’s been a year these young folks have lost of their lives. Maintaining a strict lockdown isn’t sustainable anymore, young ones in particular need to be allowed to live again. I’m passed the stage of judging people who break the rules now.

The most vulnerable have been vaccinated, the country needs to open up again.

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Completely agree with almost every word

The only thing I’d disagree on is the bit about idiots at house party. I know I’ll be in the minority, I’ve just come to the conclusion that everyone has their breaking point, that’s been a year these young folks have lost of their lives. Maintaining a strict lockdown isn’t sustainable anymore, young ones in particular need to be allowed to live again. I’m passed the stage of judging people who break the rules now.

The most vulnerable have been vaccinated, the country needs to open up again.

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Yes you are right. People are on the edge and my use of the word idiotic is a little unfair. Having a 16 and 11 year old and watching the impact on them is tough. For those older but still young it must be so so tough. It’s part of growing up and experiencing life.

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Completely agree with almost every word

The only thing I’d disagree on is the bit about idiots at house party. I know I’ll be in the minority, I’ve just come to the conclusion that everyone has their breaking point, that’s been a year these young folks have lost of their lives. Maintaining a strict lockdown isn’t sustainable anymore, young ones in particular need to be allowed to live again. I’m passed the stage of judging people who break the rules now.

The most vulnerable have been vaccinated, the country needs to open up again.

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And rightly so. Simplistic twaddle.

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Completely agree with almost every word

The only thing I’d disagree on is the bit about idiots at house party. I know I’ll be in the minority, I’ve just come to the conclusion that everyone has their breaking point, that’s been a year these young folks have lost of their lives. Maintaining a strict lockdown isn’t sustainable anymore, young ones in particular need to be allowed to live again. I’m passed the stage of judging people who break the rules now.

The most vulnerable have been vaccinated, the country needs to open up again.

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They haven’t been completely vaccinated. My old man has to wait three months for his second jag to be secure.

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Yes you are right. People are on the edge and my use of the word idiotic is a little unfair. Having a 16 and 11 year old and watching the impact on them is tough. For those older but still young it must be so so tough. It’s part of growing up and experiencing life.

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Your use of the word was spot on IMO. This virus is serious stuff and made worse through selfish actions.

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Yes you are right. People are on the edge and my use of the word idiotic is a little unfair. Having a 16 and 11 year old and watching the impact on them is tough. For those older but still young it must be so so tough. It’s part of growing up and experiencing life.

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Please tell me more about how you experienced a Pandemic during your 20s.

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You seem very confident that Boris’ roadmap will go off without a hitch and every date for easing restrictions will be met, this seems very odd given the sheer number of times over the past year that he’s over promised and under delivered when it comes to this pandemic. I don’t think there’s any chance we’ll be back to normal by June with full crowds, no matter what Boris has said.

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Their is no promise here... just a well structured approach with each stage assessed before the next stage is confirmed after meeting the required levels of infection rate improvement. I am no Boris/Tory groupie by any means but you should not poo poo a good plan just because you don't like where it came from.

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Right enough I’ve never heard Johnson perform a U-Turn before.

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Their is no promise here... just a well structured approach with each stage assessed before the next stage is confirmed after meeting the required levels of infection rate improvement. I am no Boris/Tory groupie by any means but you should not poo poo a good plan just because you don't like where it came from.

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Why the need to attach dates as he has done? It’s certainly a decent plan but a whole lot of folk are now expecting to be free of all restrictions by June no matter what caveats Boris has added.

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I can’t stand Boris Johnson. My dislike towards him and his cronies is in a scale I could never imagine. He has overseen disaster after disaster. However his plan yesterday was as clear and fairly balanced roadmap to date. I have no doubt things could go to the right however for many people HOPE is everything. This is not 2020. We have a vaccine, scientists are openly saying the early results on effectiveness are astonishing. Israel real live data is showing numbers drop off a cliff, they have just reopened. Sky published a chart yesterday which has the UK as the strictest lockdown of all major countries (currently) yet we have the 3rd fastest rollout of vaccine.

I have been a huge fan of NS approach on this pandemic up to the turn of the year. She has forgotten about the need to balance life. She can’t get rid of it as we border with England and they are not trying to completely extinguish the virus. The reason people are getting infected right now is in the main down to complete idiots who can’t control themselves (house parties). We can’t go endless months because of the minority in this country but I fear NS only interests is health for all regardless.

Anyway back to football and hampden in June. My daughter is back at school yesterday for art and design (5th year) - she takes the daily covid test at home and has a result in minutes. Is it really that unreasonable to insist that say 10k fans do this on morning of the game and upload results into a secure site for checking at gate? Last week SAGE confirmed zero /zilch/nada covid infections from beaches last summer in the UK despite all the alarming crowded pictures. So outside it now is clear reduced the risk significantly.

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A great post and I’m confident that’s the thoughts of a growing number of the population.

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Why the need to attach dates as he has done? It’s certainly a decent plan but a whole lot of folk are now expecting to be free of all restrictions by June no matter what caveats Boris has added.

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Nah it'll all be fine, not like the last big concrete promise of easing over Christmas didn't blow up in everyone's face...

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For once in this whole mess it actually feels like a semi-thought out plan and we all need a bit of hope at the moment. The public need to see some goals and come carrots dangled to keep them engaged and onside as much as possible with ongoing restrictions for the next 4 months.

However, Covid is not just going to magically dissapear in June and mask wearing and social distancing could be with us for a lot longer. The worry is the tone of the reporting this morning, using emotive terms like Freedom, sends the wrong message.

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The memes went crazy last night (I know they are memes). People booking Wetherspoons tables for the 21st June.

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Completely agree with almost every word

The only thing I’d disagree on is the bit about idiots at house party. I know I’ll be in the minority, I’ve just come to the conclusion that everyone has their breaking point, that’s been a year these young folks have lost of their lives. Maintaining a strict lockdown isn’t sustainable anymore, young ones in particular need to be allowed to live again. I’m passed the stage of judging people who break the rules now.

The most vulnerable have been vaccinated, the country needs to open up again.

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Let’s get them their second dose first, but yes agree.

COVID will hopefully just be like seasonal flu, except we all get the jab.

Encouraged by the all adults vaccined by end of July.

Would love to see Wembley full.

If it’s 10k, I presume it’s 50/50 with the SSC and the England supporters club.

Seems the best way to allocate.

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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby

The memes went crazy last night (I know they are memes). People booking Wetherspoons tables for the 21st June.

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Good luck to them.

Better to have something to look forward to than just sitting about feeling miserable.

Obviously the ball could get kicked further down the park when we get there but short term I think people are right to embrace the relative good news that came out yesterday.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Good luck to them.

Better to have something to look forward to than just sitting about feeling miserable.

Obviously the ball could get kicked further down the park when we get there but short term I think people are right to embrace the relative good news that came out yesterday.

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I agree to an extent, I am cautiously optimistic and booking for the pub just makes sense as if everything does open up be only way to get a table, but think people booking international holidays for the first date possible are setting themselves up for a fall

I wouldn't be surprised if the tournament is held entirely in the UK with no away fans and probably reduced capacities. And that might extend to England v Scotland!

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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby

Let’s get them their second dose first, but yes agree.

COVID will hopefully just be like seasonal flu, except we all get the jab.

Encouraged by the all adults vaccined by end of July.

Would love to see Wembley full.

If it’s 10k, I presume it’s 50/50 with the SSC and the England supporters club.

Seems the best way to allocate.

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I'd imagine if it's 10k at least 3k will be reserved for sponsors, officials etc.
There are a number already sold through the Uefa ballot -will they be honoured or will refunds be handed out?
I'd be surprised if the SSC get any more than 2k.

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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby

The memes went crazy last night (I know they are memes). People booking Wetherspoons tables for the 21st June.

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That is what this has reduced people to, getting excited about going to a ****ing Weatherspoons. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Good luck to them.

Better to have something to look forward to than just sitting about feeling miserable.

Obviously the ball could get kicked further down the park when we get there but short term I think people are right to embrace the relative good news that came out yesterday.

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Even Neil Ferguson is quoted today that if the vaccines continue to do what they are seeing now the dates could move to the left.

If he’s saying it then we have a chance of a full Wembley for the Scot game.

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

Even Neil Ferguson is quoted today that if the vaccines continue to do what they are seeing now the dates could move to the left.

If he’s saying it then we have a chance of a full Wembley for the Scot game.

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Brilliant, that’s potentially really great news.






Who is Neil Ferguson though? 😂 😉

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Brilliant, that’s potentially really great news.






Who is Neil Ferguson though? 😂 😉

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Barry and Dereks brother :greengrin

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Even Neil Ferguson is quoted today that if the vaccines continue to do what they are seeing now the dates could move to the left.

If he’s saying it then we have a chance of a full Wembley for the Scot game.

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This being Neil Ferguson who some have renamed as Doctor Lockdown given his pessimistic style to date.

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Originally Posted by Col2

This being Neil Ferguson who some have renamed as Doctor Lockdown given his pessimistic style to date.

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Is this one an actual Doctor or just another fancy pants dental surgeon? :wink::greengrin

Don't see fans at the games in June at Hampden after today's news.

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Don't see fans at the games in June at Hampden after today's news.

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Yet you will be able to attend church? Was this priority list based on 18th century society? :confused:

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

Even Neil Ferguson is quoted today that if the vaccines continue to do what they are seeing now the dates could move to the left.

If he’s saying it then we have a chance of a full Wembley for the Scot game.

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I know some are being really pessimistic after todays announcement, but NS said that they would review again mid March (about the time lots more kids will have been back for 3/4 weeks).

I think the underlying data at that point will be a lot more positive, and if thats the case the "unlocking" both here and down south, might come a lot earlier than the current roadmaps suggest.

Both Boris and NS are being very careful not to over promise (regardless of what the English press say about lockdown ending 21st June) and would prefer to give us good news when its nailed on.

Ferguson is excellent and has been throughout.

Care home visits and opening up religious gatherings along with schools (which is top priority) seemed to be the ‘highlights’

Zero substance and a ‘plan’ that takes us to end of April.

It allows the FM not to be held to account and allows her total control on picking and choosing her favorite areas of focus. Nothing on football, concerts, travel (home or abroad), end date. It’s a strategic framework but she hasn’t made it clear what her strategy is - suppression , containment, elimination, herd immunity.

On football how can Hibs, Scotland or anyone else plan finances, season tickets etc? For all we know football might be the very very last things to have spectators.

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I know some are being really pessimistic after todays announcement, but NS said that they would review again mid March (about the time lots more kids will have been back for 3/4 weeks).

I think the underlying data at that point will be a lot more positive, and if thats the case the "unlocking" both here and down south, might come a lot earlier than the current roadmaps suggest.

Both Boris and NS are being very careful not to over promise (regardless of what the English press say about lockdown ending 21st June) and would prefer to give us good news when its nailed on.

Ferguson is excellent and has been throughout.

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It’s always jam tomorrow with NS. And when it come to mid March we will get yet another half arsed short sighted update. I feel for Ron, why would any of us pay £400 for a season ticket? Pure loyalty?

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Yet you will be able to attend church? Was this priority list based on 18th century society? :confused:

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That and lots of promises of “we are looking at supporting businesses and we are looking at x y z”.

Anyone want two tickets to Czech Republic game
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Stop MP’s wages?? Aye that would’ve made a deadly virus disappear right enough 😂😂

Very cautious words today sadly but I remain optimistic that if the vaccine programme goes as planned then we will have fans at the games

If almost every adult is vaccinated then death rates may in theory be very low, in which case there wouldn't be much justification for playing the games behind closed doors

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Care home visits and opening up religious gatherings along with schools (which is top priority) seemed to be the ‘highlights’

Zero substance and a ‘plan’ that takes us to end of April.

It allows the FM not to be held to account and allows her total control on picking and choosing her favorite areas of focus. Nothing on football, concerts, travel (home or abroad), end date. It’s a strategic framework but she hasn’t made it clear what her strategy is - suppression , containment, elimination, herd immunity.

On football how can Hibs, Scotland or anyone else plan finances, season tickets etc? For all we know football might be the very very last things to have spectators.

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She has made Boris look competent and like a man with a plan :wink:

Thankfully the old duffer who is in charge of Wales will help deflect the focus...

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She has made Boris look competent and like a man with a plan :wink:

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Alternatively, like a man whistling away while he paints the floor, oblivious to the fact that he started at the door......:wink:

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Alternatively, like a man whistling away while he paints the floor, oblivious to the fact that he started at the door......:wink:

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He is brining in Ian Black to help out though...(trying to bring this back to fitba)

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Stop MP’s wages?? Aye that would’ve made a deadly virus disappear right enough 😂😂

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I didn’t say the deadly virus would disappear. I said the priority for getting things back to normal would change.

Right now, many people are having to get by with no income and very little support from the government. People’s livelihoods are being destroyed and it’s killing people’s mental health.

We are a year down the line and continuing a slow and steady policy isn’t good enough. IMO we wouldn’t be as slow coming out of the lockdown if politicians were having to get by the same way much of the population are having to.

FWIW I deleted my post as I know this isn’t the place for politics, I probably shouldn’t have posted it. I’m a big supporter of the SNP and I’m desperate for independence. I am however absolutely scunnered by that statement from Sturgeon that’s basically told us if we get back in our box if we’re really lucky they’ll let us out in 2 months.

We can’t keep living like this.

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He is brining in Ian Black to help out though...(trying to bring this back to fitba)

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We're ****ed then. :greengrin

If it's relevant, UEFA have cancelled the Under-19 tournaments for men and women.

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She has made Boris look competent and like a man with a plan :wink:

Thankfully the old duffer who is in charge of Wales will help deflect the focus...

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Agreed, BJ has screwed up the handling of this pandemic, but has blind-sided Sturgeon at each stage since the vax program started. She's now the definitive Dour Scot, on a power trip.

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I didn’t say the deadly virus would disappear. I said the priority for getting things back to normal would change.

Right now, many people are having to get by with no income and very little support from the government. People’s livelihoods are being destroyed and it’s killing people’s mental health.

We are a year down the line and continuing a slow and steady policy isn’t good enough. IMO we wouldn’t be as slow coming out of the lockdown if politicians were having to get by the same way much of the population are having to.

FWIW I deleted my post as I know this isn’t the place for politics, I probably shouldn’t have posted it. I’m a big supporter of the SNP and I’m desperate for independence. I am however absolutely scunnered by that statement from Sturgeon that’s basically told us if we get back in our box if we’re really lucky they’ll let us out in 2 months.

We can’t keep living like this.

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You watch her release all positive news in the run up to the elections to be a hero...She's no daft!!

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Originally Posted by Col2

Care home visits and opening up religious gatherings along with schools (which is top priority) seemed to be the ‘highlights’

Zero substance and a ‘plan’ that takes us to end of April.

It allows the FM not to be held to account and allows her total control on picking and choosing her favorite areas of focus. Nothing on football, concerts, travel (home or abroad), end date. It’s a strategic framework but she hasn’t made it clear what her strategy is - suppression , containment, elimination, herd immunity.

On football how can Hibs, Scotland or anyone else plan finances, season tickets etc? For all we know football might be the very very last things to have spectators.

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She said the plan is to suppress the virus to minimal levels and then deal with outbreaks as and when they occur. She likened the management of it to that of measles.
She also mentioned that from the end of April we'll return to the localised tier system. I suppose Hibs will get supporters back when Edinburgh reaches whatever tier allows spectators in stadiums.
It was a loosely worded plan but I can understand her reluctance to commit to specific dates. I suppose it's being managed in small steps and as time progresses further updates will give more detailed information on the easing of restrictions.

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She said the plan is to suppress the virus to minimal levels and then deal with outbreaks as and when they occur. She likened the management of it to that of measles.
She also mentioned that from the end of April we'll return to the localised tier system. I suppose Hibs will get supporters back when Edinburgh reaches whatever tier allows spectators in stadiums.
It was a loosely worded plan but I can understand her reluctance to commit to specific dates. I suppose it's being managed in small steps and as time progresses further updates will give more detailed information on the easing of restrictions.

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Her 'reluctance' works for now, but once we're partly opened up, she'll have next to no control of the population if England are allowing mass gatherings from May and foreign travel from June. Scots will simply pop over the border for events and holidays leaving from English ports and airports.

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Her 'reluctance' works for now, but once we're partly opened up, she'll have next to no control of the population if England are allowing mass gatherings from May and foreign travel from June. Scots will simply pop over the border for events and holidays leaving from English ports and airports.

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Can't disagree with any of that and have no doubt that if travel corridors are reopened from England before Scotland many Scots will take advantage of it.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

If it's relevant, UEFA have cancelled the Under-19 tournaments for men and women.

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When & where was that being played ?
Did Scotland qualify ?

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Originally Posted by bod

When & where was that being played ?
Did Scotland qualify ?

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Romania in June for the men.

Not sure about the women.

Don't think we did qualify.

I couldn't care less what your political affiliations are folks :)

The main thing re euro 2020 is that it goes ahead. Safely obv. Would love there to be crowds of any size, 10k would hopefully be able to make something of an atmosphere- prawn sandwiches allowing.

It's a wonderful thing to look forward to. A squad stacked with winners and battlers.

It's great to have a Scotland team you can take pride in.

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Romania in June for the men.

Not sure about the women.

Don't think we did qualify.

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Cheers

A more positive tone at daily briefing today by FM and Jason Leitch when asked about fans at Wembley (wish the question had been Hampden as well as different considerations) and saying they are hopeful fans can go. They must realise thousands are going to London regardless!

I hope the SFA are all over this and lobbying big time even playing politics to get it on agenda. If we can make it work for 10k fans we can have real hope going into August next season.

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A more positive tone at daily briefing today by FM and Jason Leitch when asked about fans at Wembley (wish the question had been Hampden as well as different considerations) and saying they are hopeful fans can go. They must realise thousands are going to London regardless!

I hope the SFA are all over this and lobbying big time even playing politics to get it on agenda. If we can make it work for 10k fans we can have real hope going into August next season.

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Hopefully if the full Scotland allocation can go down for it.

Hard to see it played with any fans at this point.

Euro's likely being moved to England.

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Originally Posted by SteveHFC

Euro's likely being moved to England.

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Hopefully they can move it to the UK and utilise the millenium stadium and Hampden as well.

Would be a kick in the teeth for us to have our two home games taken away from us, but then played just down the road.