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They are trolling now. :greengrin Not even a mention of away games.
I got my hopes up when I saw the headline.Quote:
Originally Posted by underscore
I'm aware it's not down to Hibs though.
As a season ticket holder, I'm not sure what I think of this. Is this to try and encourage waverers to buy a season ticket now or as some sort of 'reward' to those who bought seasons? It personally wouldn't have bothered me if they'd allowed people to pay as low as a tenner for it, but others may think differently.
Away games will be down to individual teams. Livi away second game will be available for £20. Here’s their statement which includes much more info than ours. https://bit.ly/LFCPPVA
Was always going to happen, and will be priced accordingly. Away clubs will follow ive no doubt. Was all part of the deal with Sky. Can’t show their games apart from to STH, but can show all other games.
Think whatever hibs and clubs do they will get stickQuote:
Originally Posted by MartinfaePorty
Some households will have bought note than 1 season ticket and I get the argument they didn't have to
A household could buy a PPV game for a tenner which could be great value for 3/4/5 or more to watch
I'm sure Hibs will do what they feel is right
I’m confident with 11/12 clubs signed up to the same streaming partner that Access passes for league matches (not shown on Sky) will be sold and can be bought for individual games at the host club site.Quote:
Originally Posted by underscore
Livi charging £20 per game.
Thanks so reading the Livi statement does that mean that there will be no limit to how many away PPV tickets can be sold?Quote:
Originally Posted by davhibby
Doesn’t seem like there isQuote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Livi say that in their statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power
Very good news for a lot of people. Well done Hibs.
St Mirren charging £12.50 / game https://www.stmirren.com/all-news/3726-football-is-back
Non-season ticket holders paying £10 per game?Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinfaePorty
If so then no chance that should be the case. Whilst I've every sympathy for someone who genuinely can't afford a season ticket right now, what would be the incentive for people to buy a season ticket when they are paying anywhere up to over double that amount per game?
I'm glad there's going to be a PPV option for home games and hopefully there will be something sorted for away games too but the cost per game should mirror the price of a walk up ticket as if the game had been open to fans.
Livi statement seems to say that we should be able to get the Hibs TV audio with the streams for away games too which is good
I suspect that most clubs will offer viewing for “their own fans” to watch home games but they will not care too much about checking that the purchasers are actually fans of the club. In other words, I imagine we will have access to all Hibs games, it’s just that we will buy access from the home club fir our away matches. This could turn in to a very decent money spinner for all SPFL Premiership clubs.
Championship clubs will obviously benefit from the “maroon pound” when they eventually get playing 😉
Look, if hibs can offer per view games to home fans, then what stops away fans signing up for HibsTV and lying to watch their team?
And that would in turn suggest the same process could be taken for we jobs fans to watch away ties.
Only 1 team in our division is not using Stream Digital so it seems that this could be the way forward for the foreseeable.
Make a guess that they haven’t sold many season tickets therefore aren’t as worried about pissing them off, than our club would be at 11k STH. Hibs will be £20 in line with Livingston’s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shore Hibs
When you log in to Livi do you then have to wait in an enormous queue for 50 mins before you get in to make it just like the real thing. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
St Mirren have all but confirmed that arrangements are being made for away games.
“ Will pay-per-view be available for away matches?
Pay-per-view will be available for some away matches as other clubs confirm their intention to offer this service. Some clubs have yet to make a decision as to whether they will offer pay-per-view”
Given the extra investment in presenters, build up coverage, etc it would have been good if there could have been a plain feed option with no thrills on PPV. Giving season ticket holders extra value but still allowing people to watch the game in some form.
There is something in place for away games, you just won’t buy it via Hibs though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Might just be me but £20 ppv is just going to have people watching dodgy streams. More reasonable price and people will be more inclined to pay and avoid the hassle.
Yup, but at a lower price and you seriously devalue a season ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ckinho
Club is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Don't think it can be any cheaper. It will have to roughly reflect the cost per game that a season ticket does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ckinho
Otherwise season ticket holders would feel short changed.
Have said on previous threads, would be happy to pay full ticket price for a good stream.
I would pay £20 to watch a proper stream of the game. There will be at least three of us watching each game so splitting that three ways (less than £7 per game) isn't bad at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ckinho
Not the fairest on killie fans that we’re not offering ppv on Saturday
It is unfortunate for Kilmarnock fans that they would not appear to have any options to see the game on Saturday...as Hibs have elected not to start this week.
Get the impression we'll be OK for legal options for all away matches then. Either through PPV through the home team or Sky where relevant.
For those who don't have Sky Sports, Now TV day pass at £9.99 is essentially your PPV for those games (Dundee Utd and St Johnstone for starters).
Don’t forget Killie ST will get to watch the game via the reciprocal agreement between the clubs. Only Non ST of either club won’t have the option this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenlad
There's no such reciprocal agreement, other than for non-Uk and Ireland subscribers, unless I've missed it somewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by SingaporeHibs
Imagine paying 20quid for a stream and it doesn't work.
I will give it a go though.
Killie season ticket holders won’t have access to watch. Virtual season ticket covers home games only.Quote:
Originally Posted by SingaporeHibs
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Originally Posted by Onceinawhile
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Originally Posted by JohnM1875
I'm a Season Ticket holder and I honestly wouldn't mind if Hibs sold PPV tickets at £10 or £15.
These are strange times we're living in and I, in common with thousands of other Hibbies, bought Season Tickets to support my club through difficult times... in the full knowledge that I wouldn't be getting the full value of what I'd paid for.
I realise some people will whinge about it, but they would probably find something else to whinge about anyway, so best ignored (IMO).
Dundee Utd doing it for £12.50 a pop as well.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53560168
Full list of the prices so far.
Yep same here, would you ask for a refund if it didnt work?Quote:
Originally Posted by HH81
If fans are really allowed in unsegregated as you suggest then the big local derby with Livi could be absolute carnage.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSheep
No they don’t. All we’re actually doing is costing ourselves money from their fans that want to watch it and will now find another way to watch the game but Hibs won’t be getting any money from them. Seems quite stupid to meQuote:
Originally Posted by SingaporeHibs
Poor from Hibs that Killie fans wont be able to watch their team on Saturday. We've made a mistake here.
I'm comfortable enough with that decision from Hibs. The marketing has been built on having hibs TV access as part of the ST until we can return.
From the way it's been worded, it seems like Hibs' PPV offering will be less than the cost of a season ticket (in line with the others who have said they'll charge around £12 per game). If that's the case then by not offering PPV until October, they'll be expecting/hoping that fans may be allowed into games around then and therefore not devaluing the cost of a season ticket too much if they don't need to offer the PPV option for many matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheat Hound
It sucks for Kilmarnock fans but that's my take on it.
I would rather the club put all their efforts and resources into making sure the stream works for the 10'500 season ticket holders who have forked out a significant sum of money than trying to also accommodate a few hundred kilmarnock fans.
How much are Hearts changing?
No PPV for the Killie game, IMO, is Hibs not wanting to increase the risk of things going wrong for the first run.
Knowing we’ll be able to get streams for away games not on Sky is positive though.
Seems a bit silly not to have the game on ppv this week. I can get it on the iptv, but I’d have paid for the game if I could have. I’m still hoping to get a season ticket or maybe a half season ticket, but it isn’t dependent on being able to watch the games on hibs tv.
£8,000,000Quote:
Originally Posted by jgl07
I get the feeling there's a decent chance of the streaming option this Saturday not working well and being temperamental for some. With that in mind I think this is a decision by Hibs to make sure that they can't be blamed of opening the door to too many to make as much money as possible whilst not providing a good service.
Think of the uproar on here when the stream goes down, "it's all these Kili fans and part time Hibs fans ruining the stream for us ST holders" etc...
Good decision by Hibs and I'm all for them retaining the value of the ST as well.
Personally think its a poor decision to not offer PPV from the get go and just get every club going on PPV especially for away fans, if they want to make it 20 quid a game then do it imo.
I would be happy to pay £20 to watch a game.
Let’s just make sure the stream works for the season ticket holders before attempting to overload it.[emoji106]
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I hope this is the reason, and if it is then fair enough it makes a lot of sense actually. But I don't really agree with them needing to retain the value of the ST. Would rather the club just took in as much money as it could while letting as many Hibs fans (and away fans) the chance to watch their team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibee Mac
Who gets the money for away games - home team or away team?
I’m presuming this is the reasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
You'd have thought there would be a test stream for this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
To be honest as a ST holder I think it's a really poor decision, and actually it's a shame for Kilmarnock fans they won't get to see their team get skelped this weekend and it's also a shame that our walk-up fans who can't afford a ST will miss out. You can protect the value of a ST by charging regular walk up prices, some will be happy to pay others won't bother but at least gives those fans the option and extra revenue for the club. The club should have run a test stream for ST holders only and if that went to plan they could have opened up PPV for the weekends game. Can't help but get the feeling Hibs are slightly under-prepared here.
Hibs getting pelters from Killie fans and fans of other clubs for not allowing Killie fans access to the game on Saturday
From pie & Bovril twitter
PPV Latest By Club
Motherwell £12.00
Dundee Utd £12.50
Kilmarnock £12.50
St.Mirren £12.50
St.Johnstone £17.50
Livingston £20.00
Hibernian £Game by Game
Aberdeen £TBA
Ross County £TBA
Hamilton No update yet
Celtic No update yet
Rangers No update yet
Edit Accies look like being £15
I understand their frustration, we’d be the same if the roles were reversed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
I'd pay Hibs £20 direct to watch Hibs games steamed into my livingroom in Manchester.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
I can't buy a season so I can't get up to Edinburgh often enough to justify it but I would by a virtual season such as NFL game pass. Even when it goes back to normal. I'd bin sky sports to give Hibs the money to just see Hibs in that manner.
I should add I'm not bothered about radio Comms. I want high quality Hibs streams. All clubs should be able to sell their own fans their own games.
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Who cares what they think?Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Its obvious from what we are doing and Aberdeens statement that there are doubts about this service workign properly from the off.
Frankly, as a ST holder, I want it to work for me first, then non ST Hibs fans.
Away fans are a distant third in my list of who I give a ***** about, especially as loads of them will be on IPTV watching Hibs tv for £0.00 anyway.
I dont think that the PPV will make many clubs much cash (outside Rangers/Celtic and matches involving them).
400,000 fans paying £20 each, geniusQuote:
Originally Posted by Future17
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Wont be till October for hibs anyway says the bbc so hopefully fans will be able to attend games by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Maybe I’m just tight fisted, but £20 is overpriced for Scottish football when we are able to attend IMO. £20 for a steam, Livi should be wearing a mask!
Yes I feel for them too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Far too much. Fully understand clubs protecting ST value.......which is why the likes of us and Rangers / Celtic will struggle with pricing.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
I don't think there is really a fair solution anywhere on pricing PPV.
Never mind the Killie fans. Shame for the Hibs fans that might not see it as a result!
Livingston even show the price of each season ticket category in price per game format on their website. Their most expensive season ticket is £325, which is £17.11 per game. I get that clubs are desperate for every penny in these times but it looks to me like they they’ve decided to milk Scottish football fans for as much as they can.Quote:
Originally Posted by green day
In fact scrap this bit, as Celtic and Rangers are basically on Sky every away match, PPV wont make much from their fans either !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by green day
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Originally Posted by The Modfather
livi looking to sook as much money as they can, who would’ve thunk it :greengrin
The value of a season ticket needs to be upheld in some way surely? If there’s people willing to stump up for season tickets in these times then they need the same value they’d get buying at any other time, there reward this year is a saving of £3 per streamQuote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
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Originally Posted by Ckinho
st.mirren have got it right at £12.50 ,very fair imo
P.S. and motherwell,killie and dundee utd...as for the rest...gits
It's beginning to seem that way isn't it? No log-in details sent to season ticket holders yet, no test event, less than 5 days until kick off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzling Doidge
That would mean Hibs would need to charge more than £23 per game ppv to give value to our most expensive season ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmas
Yeah?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
Should the 10k people stumping up for a ST now have to pay more than a walk up? Has to be a benefit to these people handing over that amount of cash with no ideas when or if they’ll see a game this year.
How do hibs win in all this? There getting crucified for not making all games PPV and they’ll get crucified if they charge £23 a stream, I think now it’s selected games you’ll maybe see a ppv price of £12-16 and the benefit of buying a ST is access to every home game
I'm with Keith on this, I bought my season ticket to support the club during these terrible times. If they choose to charge a tenner for PPV I have no issues at all with that. Livingston are having a laugh IMO, no way is watching a stream worth £20 and I certainly wouldn't pay it.
That's just picking and choosing something that suits the argument though isn't it? [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
Take the average season ticket price which the majority have bought and it will be nearer £20 a pop.
It's also not the end of the world if season tickets don't get you any "better price" than PPV as you get added benefits from season tickets including being first back in the door at Easter road if and when possible.
Point is if you go really cheap for PPV, say £12 a game, then the added value for being "first back in the door" for ST holders starts to look less worth it, considering we might only make it back for 10 games if we're lucky probably.
I think the club are going about this fine and managing to please most people, I bet after the first 5 games we end up making all following games PPV £15 or so then everyone's happy.
You will be watching Livi Hibs on IPTV, same as me !!Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
£23 is the break even price, Hibs would need to charge £25/£26 to give season ticket holders value for their season ticket. There’s no easy solution. I’m lucky enough to be in a position to have helped Hibs with a season ticket but I think Hibs need to price it fairly and hope that season ticket holders accept that a season ticket this season is a show of support rather than looking for value.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmas
I agree mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Season tickets are still available for those wanting to see the game at the weekend
Not everyone can afford season ticketsQuote:
Originally Posted by Juniper Greens
I’m backing the club on this. They spent all summer telling fans the only way to see every Hibs home game was to buy a season ticket and they have delivered on that promise.
Those season tickets sales were crucial in allowing the club to make the 3 signings we did and allowing the club to survive.
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To be honest it's actually baffling there hasn't been a test event. Especially with 10.5k season ticket holders which is by far and large the 3rd biggest amount in the Prem. Rangers had a test stream. Celtic had a test stream (albeit they aren't using StreamDigital).Quote:
Originally Posted by G15 Hibs
Yep, that’s fair but if we can also make a bit of additional cash once the TV games are out the way that would make sense too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The Club first of all is looking having the ones who can support the club in this pandemic, nothing wrong with that is there? Sure we can all arrange on that??
Hibs also covering there backs incase this goes wrong which it’s hibs we ain’t the best at Technology we can’t even sell derby tickets well enough..
If all goes to plan on Saturday am sure the club will revisit the whole
Away fans watching plus non season ticket fans but am sure we are on Sky most of August so buy that for a month 9.99
GGTTH
I guess if you're a family of Hibs fans or go to your mates for the afternoon etc then £20 for a group of people to watch the game isn't too bad. It's not always going to be £20 for one person.
There are certainly other benefits to being a ST, announced and presumably some others to come, which outway the imbalance of a group/family being able to watch the game for only £20 should they choose to do so.
I understand that, but I would also guess that in normal circumstances, those who can't afford a season ticket could afford to see every home game as a walk up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzling Doidge
Perhaps looking out for number one here, but Hibs have promised me that having a season ticket is the only way to see every game. Therefore by freezing out PPV for this game, they have delivered on that. It might mean that they can justify £20 fee for future games, rather than having to charge something more like £25 to £30 to "give value" to the season ticket
Normally its £20 for 1 person to see a Hibs game. When it's streamed, it'll be £20 for a household.
I don't think its crazy money if we want to be competing to sign a decent calibre of player.
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Originally Posted by Future17
That's it. This PPV isn't profiteering so much as replacing (but only partially) "normal" matchday income for many of the Premiership clubs. The clubs will still be running at huge defecits against the normal position. Player and other operating costs still have to be paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by 500miles
Although we'd all rather be at the games in person, we are actually saving money against the normal away days. Rather than buy 2 tickets (one adult & one concession at £25 & £15 each) and pay £10 per person for travel, it's a maximum cost of £20 split between us. So a £40 per game saving right away (for my family anyway)
I don't think Hibs have taken this far enough.
IMO there's a massive market there, to bring in much needed revenue and we seem to be not wanting to exploit it.
First game of the season, first in months, and only season ticket holders can see it??
Our average crowd was what? 16,500 last season, we have sold?? 10,500-11k?
We have just cut off 6k of our own support?? plus more who are dying to see the game?
Then there's away fans?? who've not seen their team in months?? who can't see it?
Surely you have away fans, who normally go, spend money on transport/food/drink etc, who's be willing to pay to sit and watch in their own house?
We defo protect the value of the ST, which someone said to me works out at £16 a game, if that's true then surely charge £18-£20 for PPV for one game, if it's not, then whatever it works out t, charge a couple of quid more.
Sell as many as possible, access to only that game, the buildup and aftermath??
Same going forward with all our home games, sell it PPV, to anyone willing to pay.
I think we are missing out on a money spinner here, seems a strange decision
I say all this as a season ticket holder btw.
They’ve also spent the last 4 months taking plenty of unjust bad press only to then walk straight into a massive pr error as that’s gone away. We’re the only team outside of the old firm that’s done thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
You have to remember that we are not normally allowed to show home games live in the UK. We also have a new deal with Sky.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1875STEVE
Apparently even allowing season ticket holders to view live took a lot of negotiating with Sky. The deal seemed to be that we can allow a maximum of our usual ST sales to view the game live.
If they have come to an arrangement on even more then great but we aren’t going to be able just to sell £17k fans access to view every game.
Im not clued up on the whole tv deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Can sky dictate games they have no intention of showing???
If they don't want the game, how can the possibly have a say? Is it to do with highlights??? i.e being the first to show the goals?
I agree, we could probably sell around 5000 streams or more for this game, that’s £50000 coming in if it’s £10 each or double if we go with Livingston prices.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1875STEVE
Is that definitely the case? Livingston are selling streams for their games and they got hardly any season ticket holders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Potential is there, but as I say above, i'm not sure of the tv deal situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Id open it up ppv to everyone and bring in as much as possible.
Sky won’t care about the games they don’t pickQuote:
Originally Posted by 1875STEVE
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Originally Posted by davhibby
can season ticket holding pub owners not show the games in their bars if they're open?