..... set to join Sheffield United as under 23 coach. Not a bad move for him.
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..... set to join Sheffield United as under 23 coach. Not a bad move for him.
Wish him all the best
Good luck. No hard feelings from me.
Calderwood in disguise
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Originally Posted by 660
Someone had to ruin it, so well done I suppose.
Good luck to him.
I was just pointing out the parallels between him and calderwood. Both crap managers but seem to be good coaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Hopefully a more suitable role for him than being a first team coach/manager was.
It didn't work out for him as manager but I've got a lot of time for PH.
When the heat was really on him there was a hibs.net visit to EM and he came and spoke for a decent amount of time and took questions. It's unlikely to be the worst grilling he will face but he didn't have to face up to that. He also sent a message to the Hanlon Stevenson Foundation for their first anniversary, again he didn't have to do that.
Hopefully things work out for him.
All the best PH!
He was well liked at Hibs, and seemingly was a great coachQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
This job might just suit him
Along with Robbie, seemed like a thoroughly decent guy and well respected within the club, just didn't work out. Hope things go well for him in his next role.
When Calderwood came up here i got the impression he always had one eye on the exit door while I never felt that with Hecky. I think he was prepared to have a genuine go at it but his moves in the transfer market and the players he let go was shambolic.
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Originally Posted by Thomo1916
Worst of all was how he set out his team to play. He didn't seem very keen on playing with any kind of flair and seemed to stress the more 'cynical' side of things (telling players to dive when tackled).
I don't bear any ill will to the guy but his approach to football is not something I want to see at Hibs.
Salvaged top six from an improbable position. Signed the right players in my opinion but just didn't click. It happens. I liked the bloke. A world away from Calderwood for me.
Excellent coach and i liked him a lot. Hope he does very well.
The killer for him was getting rid of Marv and Milligan and not replacing them. The side never recovered from thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Since452
All the best Paul.
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Originally Posted by Thomo1916
Can't argue with that. Especially Milligan. Rated him. Think he was on a big wage though. To be fair I'm sure Marv wanted away.
Suited to a coaching role as opposed to being a manager I think. Players liked him by all accounts and all speak highly of his coaching. I recall marv saying recently he learned more from heck than any other manager he’s had even though he barely played under him.
Good luck to the guy, hope it works out for him.
One major difference between the two is that one of them didn’t disrespect our club.Quote:
Originally Posted by 660
Yeah. I remember after a defeat he described us as 'pretty but soft'Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Soft maybe, but it was anything but pretty.
Well said. 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by underscore
Complete agree. Replaced then with Josh Vela.... 🙈 lost so many soft goals at the start of the season. That and a combination of Doidge short on confidence was never going to be successful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomo1916
Perhaps not the club itself but he clearly disrespected and underestimated our league with his “Quality-wise it’s on a par with League One in England — lower half,” comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
One of the worst few months of football on show during his time in charge, horrific stuff.
No Hibs manager should be compared to Calderwood, not even Butcher. The man disrespected us in the extreme.
What about his outrageous bag of sweets comment after the pre-season game at Berwick? That was disrespectful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
I never said it wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
Wish him well. Had a decent conversation with him last year and he only had good things to say about us and is a genuinely nice, knowledgeable guy.
Sorry you’ve lost me. You said perhaps not the club itself. The sweetie comment disrespected the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
You originally stated that the one difference between Calderwood and Heckingbottom is that one of them (i.e. Heckingbottom) didn't disrespect the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
My original reply to you was that maybe he (Heckingbottom) didn't disrespect the club but he (Heckingbottom) did disrespect/underestimate the Scottish league by comparing the standard of our Premiership with the lower half of League One.
I never made any comment about Calderwood.
A relief to read this as the talk in the last 24 hours was that he was in the running for the Bolton job which obviously I’d rather avoid!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Revisionism. Marv hardly played and Milligan was like a cart horse. Spike has now retired. As soon as players leave they become Messi in some peoples eyes. The biggest issues for him was recovering the team from the lose of SJM and Dylan. No one has fixed that yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomo1916
It was more the case that he got rid of two defensive midfielders and never replaced either of them. He was never going to replace SJM or Dylan but it would not have been hard to go out and find a ball winner to sit in front of the back four.Quote:
Originally Posted by underscore
You don't think that the departure of two defensive midfielders and trying to replace them with Josh Vela was a pretty big issue for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by underscore
The thing is, Josh Vela was the replacement for them. He came with a good reputation and I saw him run the game from the DM position down here - made the winner with a cracking pass as well IIRC. If he had retained that form at ER he would have become a fans favourite but it just didn't work out. At the time he signed Vela looked like a very good addition to the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomo1916
Josh Vela was highly rated. We tried to sign him under Lennon. Everyone blames Hecky for that signing. It didnt work out. That happens with players all the time. Our midfield hasnt been poor just because of that one position. We simply dont have anyone tackling and tracking in midfield now. Thats not just the role of a DM. It also hasnt improved under Jack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
He did his best, and we can not ask anymore of anybody.
Things didn’t work out and he was, rightly, moved on. That’s a manager’s lot.
Wish him nothing but the best and hope he is successful.
Milligan had two nightmare games..one against Kilmarnovk and the other against Celtic.Quote:
Originally Posted by underscore
Fitba throws up differing opinions.
I thought he played solidly other than those two games.
You're right it's not the only reason, he also decided to play Joe Newell (now one of our regular first team players) in a position he clearly wasn't suitable for and persisted with this numerous times. He also failed to get anything like the best out of Christian Doidge, who has gone from being widely mocked to being one of our most prized assets since his departure.Quote:
Originally Posted by underscore
I'm not saying all of the problems we saw under Heckingbottom have suddenly gone away, one look at the highlights of the most recent derby will tell you that. However it cannot be denied that we have improved quite significantly under Jack Ross.
I 100% agree with you on Milligan. Bartley wouldve probably played in certain games under Ross (tannadice and replay, the home derby) and made a difference in midfield though imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by underscore
Marv asked to leave the club not the other way round
He was out of contract, he didn't have to ask to leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
He could have signed another contact but chose to sign one at Livingston. Nothing to do with Hecky. His mind was made up.Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
He could've replaced Dylan with Dylan. Instead he got Vela.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomo1916
That would have been ideal but considering we couldnt temp Dylan back under Jack Ross i doubt he would have returned under HeckyQuote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
The club wanted Vela. Its wrong that many people think he was a Hecky signing. We actively made moves for him under Lennon.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Nothing much has changed about Doidge.... he just sticking away the chances now.... even if they are mis-hits, off his shin, his knee, a misplaced header.....now they are all going in. That just happens with strikers sometimes. Very little has changed about his game and movement under Jack. He also played Joe Newell were he had been playing down south. Hecky will continue to do well in football - I'm sure of that. Him and Jack are very similar in their football philosophy. (and remember Jack just used Eddie Mays set up in his first run of winning games) :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
The alarm bells started ringing for me when we played Stirling away in the league cup at the start of last season. We were soft as ***** and part timers were running right over the top of the midfield. I thought then that Hecky would have added a tough tackling anchor man to the squad to supplement what Vela was supposed to be but he never did. Then to rub the salt in Marv was turning in man of the match performances for Livi every week
I like him and wish him all the best.
However, under him I think our players were over coached and seemed to be shackled by sticking to very specific instructions.
Giving players a bit of freedom might show up errors at times but can change a game for the better at others. And it's a lot less boring to watch.
That’s not the same thing as asking to leave thoQuote:
Originally Posted by Since452
He’s found his level. He never wanted to be a manager in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Since452
Everything to do with Hecky. If Marv felt he was going to get opportunities to play this season just gone, and been offered a decent contract, he would have stayed.
He wanted to leave. Was more a figure of speechQuote:
Originally Posted by Keyser Sauzee