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If or when ‘at-risk’ groups are asked to self isolate for up to 12 weeks, this would see the end to Scott’s season.
The health minister today stated that those with conditions that require/are recommended the flu vaccination would be asked to self isolate for a period of up to 12 weeks, under current guidelines.
I am also a diabetic, told today to stay home from work and work remotely... before these new measures came into play.
Unknown times ahead for many, stay safe everyone.
Very worrying times.
Stay healthy, BS.
i better get 3 months worth of tinned food in
soon
and my daughter better do likewise
No one can get near him on the pitch anyway 😀
Shame for Scott, but he’ll train and keep fit in the time he is isolated. I think the season is over for all players, fit, unfit or those in vulnerable groups. Scott will be back playing for Hibs as well as he is at present.
I’m 73, widowed and type two diabetic and am resigned to a few months of isolation. I’ll make sure I get out and about during this time and will play plenty of golf and walk a lot. I’ll still meet friends and family at a very safe distance. The thing I’ll miss most is cuddles from the grandkids. Life will go on.
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What a lovely post Jim, puts it all into perspectiveQuote:
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Hope the sun shines, and you have a record score at the golf!
Stay safe Jim.Quote:
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My gran and my mother in law also face this next hurdle alone, so I really feel for everyone faced with the next few months spent isolated, thankfully we do live in a world with caters phones and the like. I know it’s not the same but hopefully softens the blow. All the best to everyone out there, regardless of your point of view on current matters. Stay safe, be healthy and persevere.
Thanks for the kind words, guys, but this post is not about me, it’s essentially about Scott and everybody facing challenges in the next couple of months. What we all hoped might be a wee inconvenience a month ago is now a major issue for us all so I think a big group hug is in order.:thumbsup:
Good luck Jim.Quote:
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My wife is in the same boat as she’s type 1 diabetic and I’m currently not sure how we are going to deal with it.
I wasn’t sure what the ‘rules’ were on going for walks in quiet places where there won’t be much human contact, I’m sure I heard that was still a bit of a no go but I can’t think why?
I’m also conscious that I’ll be going out to work and our boy is going to school and coming home to her, I’m not sure how that can be avoided though.
It’s a hell of a scary time, I just keep trying to remind her, and myself, that in the greater scheme of things it’s not a huge amount of time, the next three months will feel like an eternity though.
Communication from govt. is confusing as usual. Social isolation, for those with symptoms is different from social distancing
What is social distancing?
Social distancing measures are steps you can take to reduce the social interaction between people. This will help reduce the transmission of coronavirus (COVID-19).
They are:
Avoid contact with someone who is displaying symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19). These symptoms include high temperature and/or new and continuous cough;
Avoid non-essential use of public transport, varying your travel times to avoid rush hour, when possible; 3.Work from home, where possible. Your employer should support you to do this. Please refer to employer guidance for more information;
Avoid large gatherings, and gatherings in smaller public spaces such as pubs, cinemas, restaurants, theatres, bars, clubs
Avoid gatherings with friends and family. Keep in touch using remote technology such as phone, internet, and social media.
Use telephone or online services to contact your GP or other essential services.
Everyone should be trying to follow these measures as much as is pragmatic.
For those who are over 70, have an underlying health condition or are pregnant, we strongly advise you to follow the above measures as much as you can, and to significantly limit your face-to-face interaction with friends and family if possible.
This advice is likely to be in place for some weeks.
Handwashing and Respiratory Hygiene
There are general principles you can follow to help prevent the spread of respiratory viruses, including:
washing your hands more often - with soap and water for at least 20 seconds or use a hand sanitiser when you get home or into work, when you blow your nose, sneeze or cough, eat or handle food
avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth with unwashed hands
avoid close contact with people who have symptoms
cover your cough or sneeze with a tissue, then throw the tissue in a bin and wash your hands
clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and surfaces in the home
Here is a link to the official version of the updated guidance: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-guidance-on-social-distancing-and-for-vulnerable-people/guidance-on-social-distancing-for-everyone-in-the-uk-and-protecting-older-people-and-vulnerable-adults
We are advising those who are at increased risk of severe illness from coronavirus (COVID-19) to be particularly stringent in following social distancing measures.
This group includes those who are:
aged 70 or older (regardless of medical conditions)
under 70 with an underlying health condition listed below (ie anyone instructed to get a flu jab as an adult each year on medical grounds):
chronic (long-term) respiratory diseases, such as asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), emphysema or bronchitis
chronic heart disease, such as heart failure
chronic kidney disease
chronic liver disease, such as hepatitis
chronic neurological conditions, such as Parkinson’s disease, motor neurone disease, multiple sclerosis (MS), a learning disability or cerebral palsy
diabetes
problems with your spleen – for example, sickle cell disease or if you have had your spleen removed
a weakened immune system as the result of conditions such as HIV and AIDS, or medicines such as steroid tablets or chemotherapy
being seriously overweight (a BMI of 40 or above)
those who are pregnant
Note: there are some clinical conditions which put people at even higher risk of severe illness from COVID-19. If you are in this category, next week the NHS in England will directly contact you with advice the more stringent measures you should take in order to keep yourself and others safe. For now, you should rigorously follow the social distancing advice in full, outlined below.
People falling into this group are those who may be at particular risk due to complex health problems such as:
People who have received an organ transplant and remain on ongoing immunosuppression medication
People with cancer who are undergoing active chemotherapy or radiotherapy
People with cancers of the blood or bone marrow such as leukaemia who are at any stage of treatment
People with severe chest conditions such as cystic fibrosis or severe asthma (requiring hospital admissions or courses of steroid tablets)
People with severe diseases of body systems, such as severe kidney disease (dialysis)
Thanks, b70. We’re all pretty much in the dark but I’m confident that fresh air and walking in quiet areas is fine and, in my opinion a good thing for physical and mental health and getting rid of cabin fever. Best wishes to you and your family.Quote:
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Not diabetic, but in every other aspect my life mirrors yours, today my daughter told my grand children they weren’t to give me cuddles, you do miss it.Quote:
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I'm also 73, Jim. if you swap your diabetes for my COPD, we are in the same boat.Quote:
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I don't know if I'll be able to handle 3 or 4 months of isolation, with no football or other sports.
Like you, Jim, I'll try to get out for a walk, but my lung disease means that won't be too far.
I understand that I will be helping to ensure that the NHS is not overwhelmed, but my biggest problem is what exactly happens to the likes of us at the end of this 12 or 16 week period. The disease is still going to be around and it will still most likely kill me if I catch it.
That's something to look forward to after a long isolation :greengrin
Sorry to hear about your illness mim. I’ll miss sport as well but, although I’m on my own, I think I will be able to fill my time. I like painting and reading and really enjoy cooking. I watch a fair bit of telly and listen to the radio a lot. I think looking after your mental health is as important as physical health so keep your mind active and keep a sense of humour. Of course there’s always Hibs.net for a good old moan and at least some interaction with other folk. Take care.Quote:
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Take care. Your positive view on life is uplifting.Quote:
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Cheers, mate. It’s quite ironic and strange to read your words, because, as quite few on here can testify, I have been and, on a good day, can be one of the grumpiest and most negative barstewards on this board when it comes to chatting about Hibs, football and humdrum life in general :greengrin. But, let’s face it, all that’s trivial in the bigger scheme of things. This crisis is a huge boot up the arse in terms of taking a serious look at the really important things in life and I am focussed on my and my family’s quality of life. Football might be in hibernation but we’ve all just got to get on with things as best we can.Quote:
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I can vouch for that.
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All the best Jim. I hope you're cuddling your Grandkids again soon.
A great thread. So often threads on here can turn negative with people having a go at each other but this thread probably sums up .netters better than most and is a ray of light on a cloudy day.
i'm diabetic as well, work already put the feelers out last week to see if anyone had underlying health issues and if they could work from home.
would prefer working from home for a bit tbh
I’m also type 1 diabetic and the thought of being stuck at home for 12 weeks is absolutely soul destroying. Hope it doesn’t come to that. I’m an electrician so working from home is pretty impossible so wouldn’t even have work to keep me occupied
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That's the main problem, working from home only suits a very small percentage of the population.
I actually have that option, but I really don't want to do it. I couldn't stand the thought of only having me for company for weeks on end.
I can understand your concern:greengrinQuote:
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No doubt you'll still be around to take the cash frae your auld buddy in the golf challenges. 😁🏌️Quote:
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The way I’m playing? I’ll still be hacking my way round the course, but you’ll wait long enough for a wee refreshment in the clubhouse. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Golden Bear
Both my parents are diabetic, and so's my wife who was sent home from work today to self isolate. As a result I'm off work for 14 days. I feel really sorry for her, she's had 2 major operations recently and now this. And to make it worse she's going to have to put up with me 24/7 for at least whole week! Nae luck.
Strictly speaking I don’t think you need to self isolate because your wife has diabetes? The 14 day thing is only if you’re showing symptoms. On day 15 of you go back to work you will be coming home and presenting the same risk to your wife?Quote:
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The flip side to that though i am in the same boat as you I think as I’m terrified of being the one that passes it on, I’m actually finding it quite mentally exhausting worrying about it at the same time as trying to keep her spirits up.
We have made the decision to take our boy out of school, I know that’s against government advice but we just feel it’s too risky waiting for him to come home with the virus, not for him, or me, but for the wife. I actually agree with the government strategy of keeping them in for as long as possible but for me the situation changes a bit when the kid is going home to an adult in the vulnerable category.
Good luck though, hopefully you and your wife manage to keep your spirits up.
Seems to be causing some confusion this point. Either that or people are just being overly cautious (which I understand).Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
My Mrs’s mum is diabetic, and a care worker, and the council have told her to isolate. Totally agree with her being off work now but the guidance is for social distance at the moment, which is different to isolating. My Mrs’s dad has been told to isolate by his work because of her situation which, again, isn’t in the official guidance.
I think the two things are getting a bit confused although I think it is up to individuals to do what they feel is best for themselves.
I fall into this bracket and it’s not quite sunk in yet. I’m more annoyed that my 8 a side football is cancelled. However, as with others on this thread I’ll still walk a lot, golf should be ok as I spend most of a round in the rough away from people, and get the garden done. Not such a sacrifice in the grand scale of things reallyQuote:
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When the SFA postponed all games indefinitely last week that was not down to official guidance from the government but the SFA decided to take its own action as a precaution.Quote:
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It seems that most of the official guidance right now is coming on the backs of people taking their safety into their own hands (which for the vulnerable categories is not being overly cautious, it’s called being sensible).
Schools will close today or tomorrow as on top of parents keeping children away, too many teachers are now having to self isolate due to being symptomatic or having vulnerable family.
Complete shutdown by the end of the week.
Be safe everyone.
Of course, people are entitled to do as they see fit. I have no issue with that.Quote:
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But I do think the guidance has been given for a reason. What if we have a complete shutdown by the end of this week, come out in however many weeks and we’re still at square one with the NHS then hammered with new cases at that point?
I’m not a medical expert by any stretch of the imagination but don’t feel there is any option but listening to those that are and the advice being offered. At the same time, I accept people have the right to take additional measures if they wish.
Yeah its a difficult situation to manoeuvre through... As you say we have to listen to advice from those who 'know better', but the kicker is that some 'experts' are disagreeing with each other so who do you believe? Every source of advice worldwide has a differing objective or agenda.Quote:
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The simple fact is you say 'what if...' that's where we are right now, 'what if....'
Apologies Bingo, I didn't make that clear. My wife was sent home because she was coughing, had a dry throat and a bit of a temperature, and as a diabetic she falls under the high risk category. As a result of this, I have to self isolate and am off work for 14 days. I totally agree with everything you say though, although now it looks as if the schools will be closing this Friday. I had intended to visit my parents this Sunday (Mothers Day) but I'm giving it a miss and they totally understand.Quote:
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Unfortunately, we've not even got to the spike yet, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. IMO you did the right thing with your son, but the general situation seems to be changing by the hour.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/spo...n-coronavirus/
MOTHER OF ALL Ex-Celtic and current Hibs star Scott Allan fearful of coronavirus due to his diabetes and mum’s M.S.
ON any normal Mother’s Day Scott Allan would arrive at his mum’s door without a second thought.
But today isn’t any normal Mother’s Day.
The Hibs midfielder has had diabetes since the age of three and knows how fatal flu can be for people like him.
Meanwhile, mum Pamela suffers from multiple sclerosis.
So as the deadly coronavirus continues to spread its tentacles, Allan admits the flowers and card might have to be left on her doorstep.
As tough as that might seem, it really is safety first for the pair.
Four-year-old son Zac is staying away for the moment too as Allan, 28, tries to take as many precautions as possible.
With so little known about this latest, mysterious strain he knows his health must come first.
Allan — cooped up at home on his own in Bothwell — said: “There have been a lot of diabetics who have had the normal flu who have died.
“That’s why you’re warned to get the flu jab as soon as possible around autumn time.
“I’ve always been alright and I’ve never really had that. This is a guessing game for the public though.
“You just can’t see it — and you just don’t know the effect it could have.
“People talk about underlying health issues but a lot of people between 20 and 40 don’t know if they have underlying health issues because they don’t get checked.
“Everyone can look good on the outside but you just don’t know what’s going on underneath.
“Right now I can’t see my mum for any length of time as she has MS and is at risk as well. It’s not an ideal time.
“I last saw her three days ago. I had Zac on Wednesday but it will be limited time with him now probably.
“I’ll probably see him next week and make sure we do the washing hands and sanitising like everyone else.
“Having kids locked in a house is hard but if that’s what we need to do to get through this as quickly as possible that’s what we need to.
“Every day more news comes out and the more people are getting worried.
“Hopefully the lockdown with restaurants slows the rate but anyone’s guess is as good as the next person’s. There’s no timing and it’s going to be hard for everyone.”
Seeing Allan star on the pitch, it’s easy to forget the health issues he’s had to deal with on a daily basis since he was a toddler.
An ambassador for Diabetes UK, he said: “People get diabetes at different stages of their lives, which can be a big factor in how they deal with it.
“If you’ve been used to doing something for so long then get hit with diabetes it can be a hard transition.
“Diabetes is a difficult disease at the best of times for a lot of people. I wanted to be a footballer so I knew if I didn’t have it under control I wouldn’t be able to play.
“But it’s a battle every day and a lot more serious than people think.
“It’s really hard to be perfect with diabetes all the time. I’ve had stages where it’s not been as good — and you don’t know what people are going through in their lives which can affect their diabetes.
“For me, personally, I needed it right to be able to play football. I can’t speak for anyone else, but stress and things like that can affect it.”
Allan has been trying to use his time at home the best he can. Most footballers don’t own weights as they do all their workouts in the gym.
While he’s tried to track down the equipment he needs, he’s been making do lifting SIDE TABLES to stay in shape.
Allan said: “Everything is just so surreal just now. It’s the middle of March and you genuinely don’t know when you’ll play football again.
“Since we’ve been off, the only thing I’ve done outside is go for a run where I live around 5pm every night. It’s good to get a bit of fresh air.
“I’ve been doing some home workouts — press-ups, sit-ups, squats. I’ve got a side table that weighs about 5KG I’ve been using for squats.
“I look back now and wish when we were leaving the training ground for the last time I’d taken some weights with me.
“I’ve been trying to order weights online but they’ve sold out in a lot of places already.
“My Netflix has taken a battering and I’ve been watching what I’ve been eating too because we’ve gone from one extreme to the other.”
There’s also the mental health side. Most players are used to being around others every day.
Allan, who didn’t play a single game in his final year at Celtic last season, added: “It’ll be more down the line when it affects people, especially people like myself who live alone.
“There are also foreign players who haven’t gone home. You’re going to be in the house for a long time by the looks of it.
“Most teams are calling it an off-season but I don’t know what to call it because it’s not an off-season.
"You’re not in a good head space, just like everyone else who has a job.
“In football you’re used to being with people every day and now you’re hanging about yourself. It’s hard but thankfully we’ve got FaceTime.
“At Hibs we’ve got group chats so we’re talking every day. It’s the same for everyone.
“You just need to watch what you’re doing. We will come through it and at the end it might be a good thing for society in realising what things are valuable.
“It puts everything secondary, like football. I’ve not watched Sky Sports News in the last week because there are more worrying things.
“Guys go to football to watch their team play every weekend.
We’re football guys so we think about that but it’s a lot worse for people out there.
“I am missing football massively though. It feels to me like I’m back in quarantine like I was last season!
“I suppose if there’s one person who knows how to deal with no football, it’s me!”
Life is difficult for everybody just now and maybe a wee bit harder for some. Scott has his own medical problems and on top of that, his mum’s condition. I’ve read quite a lot of Scott Allan’s comments on his condition in various Diabetes websites and publications and he’s got a good head on his shoulders. If we’re all sensible, ‘behave’ correctly and show consideration for others, we’ll come out at the other end and begin to enjoy ‘normal’ life again.
Meanwhile some pubs are staying open or people are having a day at the beach or heading off to their holiday home in the Highlands.Why do we have so many nut cases these days?
I think they’ll get legislation through quickly, to stop the nutters. It’s a truism, and maybe more so just now, that you’re only as strong as your weakest link. They were saying on the news that, in Lombardy, the exodus of city dwellers to the countryside was one of the main contributors to the escalation of the Italian crisis.Quote:
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Where are pubs staying open in the Edinburgh areaQuote:
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There's none open.Quote:
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I see they were fighting outside a Greenock pub.Probably West of Scotland supporters!
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Hoping someone can provide some advice - are type 2 diabetics to self isolate for 12 weeks?
Socially distance according to diabetes uk. Check out their website, its got a lot of good info.. i used it recently for a friend of mine but i learned a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
The list of those asked to self isolate for 12 weeks will be published tomorrow, who knows if diabetics will or will not be on it from day one. As serious as our condition is, there are many more that are of a higher seriousness to consider.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
I’ve basically been self isolating (symptom free) for the last 10 days anyway, due to working from home and also not taking any chances.
Social distancing... not socially distancing lol! The latter sounds a bit funny to me 😂Quote:
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Okay :aok: although i didnt actually say socially distancingQuote:
Originally Posted by BlackSheep
As a Type 2 with fairly good control, I am self isolating from everyone including my family ( I live on my own anyway ). I have good nearby access to open countryside, so I am taking walks but am self distancing from anybody coming within ten yards of me.Quote:
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thank you all :aok:
I was asking as my dad is type 2, well controlled, so far there seems to have been a lack of consistency across various information sites (understandably, this is such a fast moving situation), so,e are saying diabetes, others not, but never specifying type 1 or type 2.
I’ll check out diabetes UK, thanks again
Was on the news tonight about diabetes, in type 2 and going to be working from home for the forseeable, it applies to anyone type 1 or type 2Quote:
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The main difference between a T1 and T2 in this situation is the ability to cope with fever. Ina T1 fever is bad because it causes the insulin we inject to stop working or stop working as well. Most T2s don’t inject.Quote:
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T1s then have the problem of combating high sugars and possibly ketoacidosis when fighting the virus too.
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thanks guys
You're quite right, but my wife is 1 of the minority, T2 and still has to inject.Quote:
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Type 1 is an autoimmune disorder, type 2 isn’t. I’ve never really understood why there’s not more distinction between the pair as they’re so fundamentally different. The worrying thing for us type 1s is that this virus can cause your immune system to go in to overdrive, possibly not a good place to be if your body has a history of attacking itself.
Every random spike in sugar levels recently has me in a total panic thinking it’s my immune system kicking in. Need to calm it and get a grip.
I live on my own and have the kids every other weekend, genuinely scared of them picking this up and passing it on to me. Such a worrying time for most of us, you don’t half realise how much is taken for granted, and the only thing in life that matters is your health.
While not wanting to start a d*ck measuring contest, I do have to point out that while T1 and T2 are basically different ends of a similar spectrum, both conditions have negative effects in our immune systems, making us susceptible to catching viruses, colds, flus, etc more easily.
Type 2 DiabetesIs a metabolic disease and is indicated by high blood glucose levels due to insufficient insulin production by the pancreas. Inflammatory response occurs as a result of immune response to high blood glucose levels as well as the presence of inflammatory mediators produced by adipocytes and macrophages in fat tissue. This low and chronic inflammation leads to damage of the pancreatic beta cells and insufficient insulin production, which results in hyperglycemia.Hyperglycemia in diabetes is thought to cause dysfunction of the immune response, which results in failure to control the spread of invading pathogens in diabetic subjects. Therefore, diabetic subjects are known to more susceptible to infections. The increased prevalence of T2D will increase the incidence of infectious diseases and related comorbidities.
Neither are ideal in our current situation, hence why the government has not differentiated between the two so far.