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Two in a row?
Where can I watch it in Ulan Bator?
Hanlon 17
I'll be in Tenerife. What an all nighter that will be 😁
Hecky out! :grr:
Amendment allowing opposition amendments (I know) passed. Hopefully they can pass ones allowing settled statuses to vote and removing the requirement for voter ID.
Amendment to the programme motion to allow amendments to the bill. Crystal? :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
What are your seat predictions for Scotland?
I'm going for the below,
SNP 49 Lib Dems 5 Tory 4 Labour 1
Can't see Labour keeping any of their seats bar Murray, the Tories should have big enough majorities in the borders to keep their seats there but elsewhere they will be booted out.
I was initially thinking Lib Dems could pick up more but seats but there are not many seats where they are currently in 2nd and within striking distance, North East Fife could swing their way where the SNP have a majority of 2, apart from that I can't see them picking up extra seats.
SNP to clean up shop elsewhere.
I think you're about right - hoping the 4 Tories is over pessimistic though.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
SNP for me this time around.
They'll have to work hard to get my vote back at Holyrood but at Westminster it's a no brainer at the moment. I voted Labour last time out and in terms of policy I actually like most of what they have to say. However their lack of any coherent strategy when it comes to Brexit and the fact they are totally unelectable makes it essentially a wasted vote.
Bojo to abandon GE if 16YO and EU nationals given vote
Will be interesting to see how neutral it is for Scottish constituencies. Previous ones have suggested voting Lib Dem in Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
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This is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Me too, having checked West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine could flip back to the SNP if they get a similar swing to what the Tories got last time around.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
That worked with every other vote he's threatened to pull :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Trager
That would also lead to the deal going back to parliament and I fear that at some point it will go through.
I can understand for the U18s but, as ian Blackford already pointed out, the EU nationals are already on the electoral register so they shouldn't make any difference in terms of timescale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Trager
I’d imagine it is purely to prevent a pro EU party getting into power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
If he is dressing it up as a time thing then IB is bang on the money.
Load of *****
If that's the case, I hope they remember that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Trager
https://capx.co/why-boris-election-g...ould-backfire/
Very interesting read.
EU nationals have never been allowed to vote in general elections and apparently that's the same in every other EU country so I can see why Boris won't feel under much pressure to suddenly change things.
I don't agree with it and infact their exclusion from the Brexit referendum in the first place has always wound me up a bit (were they excluded from the Scottish one?).
They got the vote in the 2014 indyref. They'll get it again the next time. 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
Their vote was crucial in 2014. I’m sure there was polling evidence which showed that Yes had a majority among people born in Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
I agree, if you live here, no matter where you are from you should have the right to vote.
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Thanks - that's what I thought but good to confirm. :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Good read. John Curtice was also warning that this may backfire for the Tories as the smaller parties will return over 100 seats due to SNP and LD gains, which will make achieving a majority very difficult.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Fingers crossed.
12th December.
On the back of them being harangued that a 'Yes' vote would mean them having to go home as Scotland would lose membership of the EU.. which even if true, was disingenuous, as it would have been an independent Scotland's decision about who worked and lived in the country, regardless of where they came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Any team news?
Ian Murray starts for the reds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
Pretty hypocritical of BJ considering 16 year olds were allowed to vote in his leadership contest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Trager
Interesting interview with a Tory on BBC breakfast news there (Hancock?) just before I left the house.
In the space of a few minutes I counted him saying that a vote for any other party other than the conservatives is a vote to put Jeremy Corbyn in 10 Downing Street at least 4, maybe 5 times.
The conservative election campaign is well underway and it appears that they’re going full on project fear re Corbyn.
The term "coalition of chaos" must be getting dusted down for use now, the idea of 50 Jocks in government will be enough to horrify boat loads of voters down south to vote Tory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
That's an own goal before a ball is kicked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Green Man
It's typically Tory to do this. Don't talk about policy at all just okay to the lowest common denominator. In England it's Corbyn, in Scotland it's SNP. They just don't have anything worth voting for so use the bogey man to try to draw votesQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
https://www.bestforbritain.org/getvoting
I posted this link yesterday. It's a tactical voting guide to getting rid of Tories.
Disappointingly, they either don't know their arse from their elbow here or they've bottled it: no recommendations in Scotland. We need to get rid of those 13 Tories and if that means 10 SNP and 3 Lib Dems or whatever, then that's what we should do.
Every tory seat in Scotland has the SNP in 2nd place.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Remember, unionists vote tactically as well. So by placing most of their votes on the tories, they leave the other unionist parties severely short in comparison to the SNP.
Yes, that is what we should do, but they don't want to recommend against the SNP, Labour or Lib Dems so maybe it would be difficult to make recommendations for only 13 seats?Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
I've asked them the question.
i think Doris Johnson,like his predecessor the Dancing Queen, will very much regret having an Election....i really really do :agree: the results coming in on friday the 13th will be unlucky, for him :cb
Mention for the Hibees in PMQs...Blackford wishes Bercow all the best for his retirement and invites him up to ER!
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Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
You beat me to it.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
“If he ever needs to visit a football team as an antidote to Arsenal, he’ll always be welcome at Easter Road to see the mighty Hibernian” followed by guffaws of laughter!!
Antidote? Anaesthetic more like. :greengrin
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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
It seems it's not working well in England either, it recommends voting Lib Dem in Bromsgrove, they lost their deposit last time around :greengrin
https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/1189548100815380481
He certainly wouldn't have any bother being heard in the crowd!Quote:
Originally Posted by hibby6270
Did he also remember to parrot that The Whole Country Wants To Get Brexit Done?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Looking forward in this election to seeing whether a single Tory comes out with a single statement that isn't a simplistic Cummings slogan, but, even more than that, seeing what Led By Donkeys might do with the clip about Johnson being a filthy toerag.
Financial Times are saying that the Brexit Party is considering dropping out of 100s of seats and concentrating on 20 to 30 leave supporting Labour seats.
Big boost for Boris if true.
and so it begins.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
Strange to target leave Labour constituencies.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
Probably (I don't know for certain) the constituencies that were very pro leave but where the Labour MP's consistently voted down Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Rightly voted down against Brexit in my opinion.
We're ****edQuote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
They won't have the money to fight every seat. This was always going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
Farage is a self serving narcissist who needs to be in the spotlight. No way he is pulling candidates. How we internet “party” needs to get seats and attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
If true, the Tories really have become the BREXIT Party. The very thing Cameron called the referendum to stop. The transformation will have been complete.
J
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To be fair, most 16 year olds who are members of the Conservative Party will have an opinion-forming age of about 83.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bee
Dominic grieve standing as an independent and the Lib Dem’s are standing aside in the constituency to give him a better chance. Hopefully see more of this.
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I have a vague memory of IDS addressing a Conservative conference as a schoolboy... and being the same odious little person that he is today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
Hague maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Hackett
https://youtu.be/qL_p9qjfu5U
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Don't be vague, choose Hague.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Hackett
IpsosMORI/EveningStandard poll
Conservatives 41% (+8)
Labour 24% (nc)
Lib Dems 20% (-3)
Brexit Party 7% (-3)
Greens 3% (-1)
Fieldwork: 1,006 GB adults by telephone. 25th - 28th October
Hmmm, Brexit party seem to be fading. If they stay quiet or stand aside then things look bleak indeed with such a big Lab/Lib split.
I've often thought the Libs should just **** off. I mean what's the point of them really?
https://twitter.com/Survation/status...7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Survation poll for the Daily Mail.
Interesting stuff.
That might have been William HagueQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack Hackett
Bet there was LOADS of them as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bee
I think deep down, everybody knows what the purpose of the Lib Dems are. They just won't admit it to themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
If I lived in England the Libs would get my vote. Not interested in hard left or right.
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LibCons election leaflet
Attachment 22658
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Correct! And IDS is quite tall. Perhaps his personality is odious. I'd go along with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Which constituency/area is that from?Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I might be wrong but I read Edinburgh West (our very own .net favourite Christine Jardine's stomping ground :greengrin)Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
Vote breakdown from 2017 was Lib Dem 18k, SNP 15k, Tories 11k, I'm not really sure who they think would move from Lib Dem to Tory, their remain and unionist vote would stay with them rather than move to the Tories.
Edit: It is Edinburgh West, saw a bigger image and the small print confirms it's "Printed, published & promoted on behalf of Christine Jardine’"
If the Libs didn't exist, most of them would be in Labour and it would shift to be more centrist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The UK electoral system is built for 2 party politics. If there's 1 party on the right, there needs to be just 1 on the left.
Greens standing in every constituency in Edinburgh.
https://www.edinburghgreens.org.uk/s...r-election-19/
I can see where the SNP are coming from in an area I presume isn't too hot on indy, but I think being so "meh" on independence the last time around meant a lot of pro yes voters stayed at home while Ruth got the unionist vote out and the SNP ended up 20 seats down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
That's not a good start. The SNP have to put Independence at the heart of this election so there is no doubt about the mandate for a second referendum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Doubt that matters. All you ever hear from unionists is that all the SNP talk about is independence. Then when the SNP win they claim the SNP never mentioned independence enough so they have no mandate. No matter the reality, that’s what will be said.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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My constituency and I will be campaigning for the SNP and the main message from me will be about the benefits to be gained from Scotland being an independent nation. Not sure who thought that leaflet is the best way forwardQuote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
https://mobile.twitter.com/Peston/st...65748116099073
Crack open a bottle of fine wine and sit back for 3 minutes of Trump and Farage on LBC :greengrin.
Not sure how Farage is going to play this election yet.
Two bit of useful info there. Trump thinks Boris’s deal rules out a trade deal with America and it looks like Farage is going to go after Boris in the election.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
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:drool: Hope so. If he does Ni-gel, Ni-gel will destroy Johnson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
That's the one. Shows how memory plays tricks on you... or that they all just merge into one big ball of slime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Thanks to the other correctors :greengrin
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Originally Posted by Colr
That just cracked me up :greengrin
And will have my vote :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Nationally I would love to see the Tories punted.
I'd be quite happy if they all just took November off and started the campaign on 1 December. Six weeks of this.....
If Farage and Johnson make a pact then we're ****ed.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics...mpression=trueQuote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
How hard can it be to set up a tactical voting guide? You pick the highest placed 2nd ref/remain party from the last election and that’s who you recommend. The only way to get this wrong is if you have other motives.
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Maybe not. Farage is toxic with more centrist voters. Might help the Lib Dem’s v Tories in their marginals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
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Vote Conservative, get Trump.
Add “#NotForSale” to that... early days, yet. Tho: https://t.co/uahDc9eTn3
A campaign based on the Tories trading off the nhs to get a trade deal with Trump could be very effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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It's a very simple and effective message.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
They have used a huge sample size poll (46000 I think) to try and estimate the current position at constituency level. This sort of approach did work well in predicting the 2017 election but it's complicated and people don't necessarily believe that the results are possible when big swings have been happening. For instance, most people were v sceptical about the polling that predicted the SNP 2015 surge before the actual results came in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
What you suggest would be much simpler and probably more effective.
Farage due to speak in a few mins so we'll find out what he's planning ...
Farage confirms they'll contest every seat if no pact in place.
Good news. Says he will only do a deal with candidates who reject Boris’s deal. Good news for remain.
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... and no pact unless Johnson ditches his deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
Nice one Nige!
:partyhibb
It will be an absolute disgrace if Nigel is not allowed in any debates and not given equal time on the major news networks over the next 6 weeks.[emoji6]
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Nigel's inability to avoid the limelight could ironically end Brexit.
That would suit him fine I think. He is only relevant while we are in the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
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Remember him hiding in the pub in the High Street ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
Needs to translate into movement in the polls for labour. Tories still making gains according to polls out this week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Aye when every other 16 year old was going to gigs, trying to get served in pubs and chasing their Nat King he makes a speech at a Tory get together. Wee radge then and not changed much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby