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I had never heard of them until they sponsored hibs but they are half the price of Uber or central taxis. The wife and I are going to see Frankie Boyle at the playhouse tonight and living in the Borders we have to get the train up. I need to go via Atholl Crescent and then down to Omni and Uber was £19. Beep beep is £8.90. Unbelievable and highly recommended.
Shows you football sponsorship does work!
Atholl cres to Omni will not cost you 8.90 in a black cab.
Waverley to atholl crescent and then down to omni
Hate to think what the drivers wage is.
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Originally Posted by Weegreenman
Convenient for the customer, not for the worker.
Without knowing the driver’s wage, how can you say that? Or maybe you do know.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFCEighteen75
Nobody goes to McDonalds and is concerned that the guy serving them is on minimum wage so God knows why it seems to be such a thing with taxis.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
I was a bus driver for 7 years and helped endless amounts of tourists navigate their way around the city, not once did I get a tip. Why do most people feel the need to tip taxi drivers a fair amount and not bus drivers??
Was in the taxi for 30 mins. £8.90 for 30 mins work isn’t too bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weegreenman
Anyway it’s a business associated with the club and I thought I’d share my experience
The driver will only see a fraction of that and I would be surprised if he is earning much more than minimum wage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
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But he is still earning a wage, legally minimum wage or not? Surely it’s better than being unemployed and being on the dole?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ko Ko Joe
Surely being a taxi driver takes more skill than someone, say, stacking shelves. Bet there are more than a few taxi drivers on here and most wouldn't even sniff at minimum wageQuote:
Originally Posted by 90+2
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And will be more than people on pennies at fast food restaurants and supermarkets that people are happy to use but for some reason taxi drivers are hard done by....Quote:
Originally Posted by 90+2
See aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by Up The Bracket
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Like I said earlier in another post, how do you know what they’re earning and what the business model is? I’m sure the guys will be doing ok or they’d be driving private hires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ko Ko Joe
I'm judging it on the taxi being half the price than normal. Someone is taking a hit and experience tells me it's rarely the employer.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
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Driving is a skill. Slagging off folk stacking shelves is pretty harsh. Both are following instructions albeit via a sat nav. Question times about to start anyway so it’s not the kind of discussion can be bothered with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ko Ko Joe
Folk moan about things being too expensive now folk are calling out the poor employee 😂 this place is bonkers. A taxi driver like any other employee is making a wage if he doesn’t like it get another employer or job simple I’d say. same applies to mine and any other job.
Lol now you are being petty. At no point did I slag someone who stacks shelves, I simply stated that the level of skill required to do so should command a lesser wage than someone who has a more skills to offer. Its called capitalism.
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Yep. It’s hardly slave labour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Up The Bracket
Now is see Callum’s point about ripping all things hibs. OP put a positive thread out about a sponsor and it’s rip it to bits and please will someone think of the children.
The more popular the company or app gets the more the drivers will get paid, or it could be like Uber where they work for themselves and every single driver I’ve ever spoke to love their job. It’s hardly in the same bracket as the students cycling tourists all over the Grassmarket on a pissing down Sunday night.
Ordered a 4 seater and 6 seater to take 10 of us to South Queensferry on Saturday - the 4 seater turned up in time, the 6 seater never arrived so had to get an Uber at short notice.
Booking was accepted fine, no message saying car not available. No answer when I phoned up to try and find out where it is.
Not really too fussed, but emailed to highlight the issue (along with letting them know both their email and web address was incorrect on their app) and give feedback as I presume they are a new company and it gives them a chance to fix anything. Still no response - this could be due to their email being incorrect and me guessing it wrong (it had .uk and not .co.uk)
They would probably be last on my list to use now...
Taxi driver guy applies for the job knowing the wage, which is probably above applying for a job stacking shelves. **** knows what this has got to do with football. Can we not just blame it on Anthony Stokes who isn’t a legend and get in with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ko Ko Joe
Does it? Stick the sat nav on and drive a car which absolutely stacks of people can do no problem. I’d find it easier and more enjoyable to do that than stack shelves tbh and if I got asked to do one or the other for minimum wage I’d choose driving a car every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ko Ko Joe
You chose to open the thread and respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by 90+2
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Driving a car = people's lives in your handQuote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
Working at tescoo = might drop a tin of beans
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And your point is caller?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ko Ko Joe
The wages are making the taxi drivers feel anxious and apparently it is spreading to the bus drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by 90+2
Time to just focus on your on wages and own lives. Great price for taxi and that's all that concerns me. If driver earns £100s or £1 it is their life and can get on with it like we all need to.
My point was made a few posts aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by tamig
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Originally Posted by Ko Ko Joe
and probably having to work all the hours he can to get a semi-decent wage as well, great that it was a cheap fare but the driver will be getting shafted
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Originally Posted by Captain Trips
Probably the same living wage as Taiwan making shoes. Or maybe no.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraigHibee
If anyone has the time and has the inclination to work out the frequency of a positive opening post on a thread turning negative I’d love to know.
ps I’m looking forward to the match at the weekend.
I have never been to MacDonalds - mainly because of their attitude towards workers’ rights!Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
Just left school, working at Woolco in Livingston stacking bread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ko Ko Joe
Pumping the pallet truck of emptys in the bread aisle thinking 'This is hard work' then heard a muffled scream from the next aisle.
Ran round the corner and in the next aisle is a poor wee old man, up to his waist in packets of kitchen roll, his trolley full of packets of kitchen roll, looking mightily traumatised.
One of the forks of my pallet truck had caught in the pallet of kitchen rolls, causing a 10 foot tower to cascade upon him.
Now if that had been tins of beans, I'd have bean up on a manslaughter charge :agree:
The guy at McDs doesn't have to buy, service, and insure the building hes trading from. Will most likely get holiday pay and other contractual rights. Not really a valid comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
Shouldn't be operating a pallet truck just out of school :-pQuote:
Originally Posted by 1875godsgift
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Nobody get any food or drinks from the kiosks at home ever again. Slave labour.
Could be worse mate, you could be driving one of these beep beep taxis.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1875godsgift
Well, in the old days, you got told what to do and just got on with it....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ko Ko Joe
The point is, tins of beans can be dangerous (see what I did there?)
I find that difficult to believe :hmmm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wee Effen Bee
Check the taxi drivers with the violins out in this thread 😂, always pleading poverty only 3 holidays a year poor *******s
Well then its the same as 10000s of self employed people then so whats the big deal? Some self employed people makes £100000s some not a lot. Some people who get regular wage get £100000s some get less. I do not read anything new on all this that has not been life for years and years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buck Mulligan
Somebody that rents a chair in a salon might get 30 customers one week and none the next and have to still pay for the chair. Whats the fuss over what a taxi driver might be earning?
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Originally Posted by The Modfather
TBF.. I have never been to Domino's or pizza Hut, Chiquito, Wagamama, and quite a few others... But yeah mcdonalds is quite hard to believe.. :agree:
Good, I bet like me you will have a fair few items in your house that were made in conditions likely to be worse than that of Mcds. Perhaps some clothing a TV, a part inside that TV a part in a STB 100s of stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wee Effen Bee
I find Dominos and PH well over priced. Chiquito not been to in years. Want to try Wagamama though.Quote:
Originally Posted by mca
Sponsored by gambling and alcohol over the years which for most bring joy however there will be sad stories related to drinking and or gambling. Possibly more so than the wage a f+++++g Beep Beep driver might be paid.
BTW I have no issue with the sponsors we have had as people need to take responsibility for own choices. Coming from a member of GA btw.
The club you support probably wouldn't exist if people had that attitude back in the 1870s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Trips
Aye ok then.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFCEighteen75
There is no employer, you're self employed. You make what you make, minus costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
Jeezo, take a look at houses that black taxis are parked outside, not a bad living I’d say. Anyway I used the app on Friday night, £11.30 from Lothian road to newcraighall!! I reckon it would be well over a score in a black taxi.
No where on any beep beep vehicle or driver will you find the word taxi.
In this case say 15 minutes to get to the pickup at Waverley, job is half an hour, an if he's very lucky another job 15minutes after dropping off. So £8.90 An hour, minus tax and NI, 20% to beep beep, fuel, wear and tear.
It's a sprint to get to the bottom. Beep beep offer nothing to Edinburgh it is purely software. I'd like to go into the people behind it all but my post would probably be taken down plus I value my knee caps.
You could predict the way this was going to go before evening opening the thread, was only a question of how many posts before someone questioned the degradation of taxi driver's wages, capitalism get mentioned etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Not In The Know
Other than taxi drivers I don’t think anybody actually cares about the technicalities of whether it’s a taxi or not. Bit like getting really defensive when telling folk that a Dyson isn’t actually a Hoover.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doh Rae Me
Yes, you're right, most people don't care and go for cheapest option. The same as battery chicken to free range it depends on the budget you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
It does have ramifications all down the line tho if people care to look further.
It's just another example of the Amazonisation of society. People want goods or services for the cheapest possible price regardless of future consequences or wider societal concerns. It's nothing new, it happened with supermarkets a generation or 2 before.
You can't lay the blame at the feet of individuals. A lot of people are living month to month and if a service offers to get them from A to B for a fiver cheaper then you can't always afford to have morals. I wonder how many people who complain about Uber et al think nothing of the impact of buying fresh fruit from a supermarket in December. How did it get there? What are the working conditions of the person who picked it? What was the environmental impact of it travelling thousands of miles to satisfy customer demand for unseasonal produce? It's not a hugely different situation, cheap taxis are just less ingrained into our psyche at the moment.
Just as well it’s no forced on them then!!Quote:
Originally Posted by CraigHibee
Would be better getting a job stacking shelf’s
And what if the sat nav doesn't tell you of temporary road closures like we have now with all the filming going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
This new beep beep thing is just all the 7's rebranding, a PHC company,it is not taxi's.
Why does it matter if someone is forced to do a job or not? Do we just accept exploitative working conditions in any industry because 'no one is forcing them to do it'? I've done a few crap jobs in my time, particularly when I was younger; crap pay, crap conditions and being treated like ***** on someone's shoe would have been a step up on the respect ladder. It wasn't always as simple as 'just get a better job'.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomtownHibeys
Surely as a society we are better than that? I blame politicians and commentators who have turned 'hard working families' into a meaningless buzz word. It often appears to be made in reference to people working ridiculous hours, across multiple jobs in some instances, to make enough money to barely get by. That's then painted as some noble endeavour rather than the disgrace it is. It's a sad legacy for an entire generation of people to leave, they'll happily lecture a 20 something telling them that having a mobile phone is why they are struggling to get by though.
Implementing a proper living wage would have a bottom up effect of giving everyone a bit more money to spend. It will never happen though because there's too many vested interests and people happy to lay the blame at the feet of those who are struggling rather than asking why that is the case.
If the pay and conditions working for this particular company are that bad then yeah, there are hundreds of firms out there where they could do exactly the same job and get paid “more fairly” for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Pringles are crispsQuote:
Originally Posted by J-C
Jaffa Cakes are biscuits
Uber’s and Beep Beeps etc, the “PHC’s” are taxis
People can try to claim different but they are what they are
Biscuits go soft when they are stale, and cakes go hard.Jaffa cakes go hard, so they are cakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
Otherwise, I agree, a security guard is not a policeman, for example.
Great football chat on this thread. I take it the main board is for any subject matter now? Or should this be in the holy ground?
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Originally Posted by Doh Rae Me
Its easy to make a scenario to suit a point, what about when later on at night with less traffic gets 3 or 4 jobs in an hour that net £30 in total due to the fact its quiet on roads.
You’re over complicating it, the same way someone would say a beep beep isn’t a taxi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
It’s a biscuit.
A tomato is a vegetable.
If we sign Efe Ambrose and he asks to be picked up in a taxi with some biscuits on hand, would he be raging if we sent an Uber with a box of Jaffa cakes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscar T Grouch
Better?
So long as the interior has been well hoovered it'll be fine. :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
Capital Cars - All the Sevens - Beep Beep all the same with the common denominator being a Stephen Rose. All info is readily available to the public.
Then the sat nav readjusts and goes a different route. Much like when a black cab driver finds out a road is closed and then has to go a different route.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
What’s the info? That he (in saying that I’m not even sure if it’s the same guy or not) sold copied PS2 games in 2003? :confused: cause that’s about the only thing of note coming up if I search for him other than the fact he spent a lot of money on a private plate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kojock
Crime of the century.
Edit: it would appear based on his age that it’s not the same guy anyway. What’s Stephen Rose done?
A taxis a biscuit mate 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
So the driver goes say 2 miles, then realises the road is closed and readjust to ho another way, in the mean time your charged more because Uber charges on distance covered. Meanwhile a cabbie knows what's open and what's closed and goes the correct way from get go.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
I never said he had done anything just pointing out that he has been involved with the three companies. Liquidated Capital Cars owing £300000 to the VAT man tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
No really, I just thought the main board was for discussing football and Hibs related stuff. Taxi drivers wages imho fall out with this. For what it’s worth Efe won’t be coming back unless we magic some money from nowhere, which doesn’t really happen often.Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
In the laundry business.
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Originally Posted by 90+2
Well, in spite of all the talk about drivers wages and the fact I'd never heard of Beep Beep before, thanks to this thread I've downloaded the app.
If it gets me from A to B cheaper than a standard cab then I'll give them a try.
Sponsorship works!
Yeah, but we both know that cabbies don’t always know what’s opened and what’s closed, don’t we? Which is fine by the way, it’s impossible to know it all. The cabbies are nearly flawless while Uber drivers are hopeless argument doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny. We’ve all seen black cabs do ridiculous things on the roads aswell and the only folk that ever seem to put that argument forward are taxi drivers. Are you a taxi driver by any chance?Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
Apologies, I thought that’s what you were alluding to. I’ve interpreted your post wrong in that case :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kojock
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Originally Posted by calumhibee1
Yes I am and proud of it, 30 years now and never once have I driven up Forest Rd the wrong way, turned right from Lothian Rd onto the west approach on the wrong side onto oncoming traffic. Nor have I went onto the bypass on the wrong slip road into oncoming traffic and had to reverse back up the slip road. But on you go if you meant to save that couple of quid.
I now see why Blackpoolhibs has a go at you all the time, once you get something in your teeth you go on and on until you think you're right.
Mon the Hibs
I do not see why a cabbie would no more on whats open or closed than an uber driver if both in same city and driving about all day. I understand a cabbie is totally free to pick a route and if I am right Uber tells the driver the route? If the latter is right and say Uber driver knows a road is closed but app telling them ok are they able to decide to go different route?Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
It's up to all drivers to check on the council site what's open and whats not, my point was that nearly all Uber go by the satnavQuote:
Originally Posted by Captain Trips
[QUOTE=easty;5924801]You’re over complicating it, the same way someone would say a beep beep isn’t a taxi.
It’s a biscuit.
A tomato is a vegetable.[/QUOTE
A tomato is a fruit
No its not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ahibby
Technically. But the point he's making is that it may as well just be considered a vegetable.Quote:
Originally Posted by ahibby
Like a Dyson vacuum is considered a hoover, cheap sticky tape is sellotape, and a beep beep/Uber is a taxi.
I love this forum at times like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
Is it a forum or a message board?Quote:
Originally Posted by ahibby
Thread moved, very little in the way of football chat.
Not even a "Hecky out". :greengrin
Uber for Hecky... :taxiQuote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
That's more like it!Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
And we’ve all seen plenty black cabs swing out in front of others cars without indicating to pick up a fair. Or been going well over the speed limit. There’s examples of **** drivers everywhere, black cabs aren’t any different, as much as a lot of taxi drivers would like to tell everyone otherwise. Majority are absolutely competent, some aren’t. Majority of Uber drivers or whatever other form of taxi we want to discuss are also absolutely competent, some aren’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
No idea why some taxi drivers get so defensive over their profession or have such a sense of entitlement.
Don’t go having a strop because people prefer other methods of transport.
There hasn’t been one post from a taxi driver up until your post. There seems to be a misconception that taxi drivers are sitting in their taxis raging that people are using Uber or whoever else. I’m not sure how long these app companies have been on the go, but it’s made zero difference to the black cab trade. Every company has seen a year on year increase in bookings and from a personal point of view my takings haven’t been affected. If people want to use these app companies then good for them, but let’s not try and make out they’re somehow sticking it up the taxi trade by doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
Think Uber has been around for 10 years or so. Good to hear that there is clearly enough work for everyone though. Something which is often suggested isn’t the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Nearly all. There are bad black cab drivers as there are bad PHC drivers. Your peers aren’t flawless.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
Because the emergence of the PHC is a threat to the gravy train.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
These companies are going to end up pricing out taxi drivers who are required to do everything by the book, who have large overheads and who speak English and know where they're going.
We often complain about a low wage economy, but allow our greed as a consumer to actively facilitate it. It has "i'm all right jackery" written all over it.
And....and... people also say “Tannoy” when what they mean is public address system!Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
No problem with competition, we've always had it. What we hate is the illegal picking up from PHC, the fact that they overcharge with their surges and many other dodgy stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
It can still be a good living but longer hours are required which isn't what many guys want when they get over 60 and see retirement round the corner.
Don’t know why taxis keep going on about the surge, Uber is about half the price of a black cab on its standard fare.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
Try and get an Uber when it’s busy you are advised of this with an estimated cost not happy with it don’t accept it! You get plenty warning.