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Does he belong in jail or are his civil liberties being breached?
I absolutely detest him, but on this occasion I don’t see what he’s done wrong. I’ve not seen any of the flim he was doing, but I heard he was filming on his phone and doing a Facebook live film. Maybe it was for something he said on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stranraer
Reporting on a case where there are restrictions until after the verdicts. I think. Another Asian grooming gang.
I wonder why there are restrictions.
Tommy Robinson "fans" march to Whitehall in protest at his arrest . I despair.
Odious little creep.
There are always restrictions on what the public can know about a case until after the verdict. It’s to allow a person to have a fair trial. It’s one of the things I think we get right in this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete
Have people actually watched his videos or just jumping onto the "racist/fascist" bandwagon?
The man is an absolute *****
Why isn't he chasing around kicking up **** about white paedophilia which is much more prevalent than the few high profile cases involving Muslims? Answer is because it's not the paedophilia that disgusts him. The man is a racist cock.
The "reporting" of the case may give the defendants a lifeline in claiming a mistrial.
Well done Stephen you fascist welt.
He had a suspended sentence for filming at a court. Then he does it again. It’s a fair cop.
Reporting restrictions: young women have been raped. They are vulnerable as victims of crime.... right to a fair trial, a second reason. There’s probably more.
Robinson isn’t a victim and the trial isn’t a conspiracy.
yip watched loads of his videos on his twitter page and the guy is a bell end, he cant even hide the fact he is a racistQuote:
Originally Posted by IGRIGI
Roseanne Barr is getting involved on Twitter, #tagging Robinson & pedogate, she also tagged @POTUS & @nigel_farage.
Dunno why she's being so vocal on a guy and a story so far from her home but she has 1000's of followers so her brain fart posts will reach a healthy audience,,,,
Aye, he's a complete c*** and I will constantly commit my life to exposing him and his ilk. Turd of a man!Quote:
Originally Posted by IGRIGI
Yes guys a tool and a racist have you watched them and disagree? 🤔Quote:
Originally Posted by IGRIGI
Any reporting of rape and pedophilla is positive in my opinion. Regardless of the reasoning behind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
If it brings it to light then good.
Then you're naive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Trager
Maybe after the trial but before is not a good idea: it can compromise a fair trial by influencing a jury or undermining the prosecution or defence’s case, release details about often vulnerable victims and suspects (who’ve yet to be proven guilty) etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Trager
It’s not in the public interest until it’s done.
Even if it prevents the guilty from being convicted or the innocent from getting a fair trial?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Trager
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Originally Posted by steakbake
I’m talking about the exposing of rape gangs in a general sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
The post i quotes said he should be chasing higher profile cases that aren’t muslim.
I said it doesn’t matter what paedophile ring is exposed to me.
I do appreciate what you are saying however
Tell me ONE racist thing he has ever said???Quote:
Originally Posted by EH54
He never has!
Many of his supporters are black.
The post you quoted says nothing of the kind. He was out on license (suspended sentence) and shouldn't have been anywhere near the court and he knows it. The judge was absolutely correct to send him down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Trager
As for the mainstream media 'not covering the case', it's one more day in a lengthy trial and nothing to report. He describes himself as a reporter but that's nonsense. He's just a self serving racist trying to get himself and his warped views more air time.
Why doesn't he report about the parliamentary paedophile gangs? The football paedophile gangs? The celebrity paedophile gangs? The North Wales paedophile network? Plymouth paedophile gang? Nottingham care home gangs? Manchester and Islington children's homes paedophile scandals and hundreds of other organised paedophile groups?
I'll tell you Why, it's because it's not the paedophilia that disgusts him, it's the race of this particular group of paedophiles that irks him and he's trying to associate Islam with paedophilia to further his own seedy agenda. He's a racist **** who has now put the trial of these ****ing rats in danger because he's now possibly influenced the fairness of the trial process. He should go to jail if he can't abide by the laws of our legal system.
And as i said any exposure of ANY rapist gang is a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
I’m not overly bothered what the reasoning behind a rape gang being exposed if they are being exposed.
I’m not defending his actions surrounding this case.
“Why isn't he chasing around kicking up **** about white paedophilia which is much more prevalent than the few high profile cases involving Muslims? Answer is because it's not the paedophilia that disgusts him. The man is a racist cock.” Is the post I quoted. And I stand by my point. Any rape gang exposure is a good thing.
Would it have anything todo with the white paedophilles get exposed by the media...and the Muslim grooming gangs the state try to hide it as not to create racial tension?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Trager
There are thousands of cases....That the police kept secret,if you didnt know!
If they are secret......how do you know about them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan69
The Government tried to cover it up for years...But it was exposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Now you read about more of them everyday stretching the length and breadth of the UK.
As I keep saying I am not bothered which paedo ring is being exposed. White, Black, BBC, the Catholic Church, Muslim gangs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan69
All exposure of rape gangs is a good thing.
Agree 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Trager
The fact is they tried to cover all this grooming by mainly Pakistani origin,as not to create racial tension.
So in a sense...allowed it to happen within communities!
Tommy Robinson was one of the first to expose this.
Daily Mail reader alert .....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan69
And the smears start. Is he saying anything that's untrue? Stick to the topic and leave smears and insults out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
It is a complete Myth that Robinson uncovered grooming gangs when others were supposedly covering it up - the Issues had been covered by the Times as far back as 2009 and in later articles 2011 onwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
Nail on head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
100%. His agenda here is not protecting the vulnerable- it is driven by hate ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Think you will find he pretty much exposes how its one law for us...and a completely different rule if you follow the religion of peace!
Ever heard the story of the Muslim guy that hit a policeman over the head with a brick?
Was taken into police custody. His Imam turned up and told the police,release him now....or I will have 1000 people here in minutes.
Guy was released without charge!
How people cannot see there is a rule for the people of this country,and a rule for Muslims...has their head firmly buried in the sand.
Try having 2 wifes...Youll be in jail.
Some people are allowed by the law of this country however.
I would suggest you read a more balanced cross section of outlets for your news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan69
would be interested to read that, where will i find the report as i had a quick search and couldnt find anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by Ryan69
Simply not true. It's illegal to have more than one spouse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan69
One can live in union with more than one, though. As evidenced by the Muslim faith, and by those who practice polyamory (most of whom are white, by the way....)
As I have previously said does it matter what his agenda is?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
If he reveals a rape gang then that is a good thing.
People have this thing were they look at either a person or their agenda and then decide whether they will listen to what they are saying or not.
If Trump states a fact, folk will disregard it cause it is trump.
Take the action/words for what they are and forget who is doing them/ saying them or why they are saying them.
TR may well be a racist but if he is exposing a rape gang then he has done well.
How anyone can argue that is beyond me.
I have never heard of that story, but would love to read more. Where can I find the details on it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan69
He's not exposing anything other than his bum in prison in anticipation of being beechered. All he's doing is trying to draw attention to one particular group of paedophiles with the intention of getting the hard of thinking to associate paedophilia with Islam. As previously mentioned by others the fact that these rats are already in court facing justice means that they've already been exposed. Tommy Robinson didn't expose them, he's simply trying to use THIS PARTICULAR case to further his own racist agenda and you've taken the bait hook, line and sinker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Trager
I am talking in general terms and have made that clear above, explicitly mentioning that i am not talking about this specific case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
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Originally Posted by Alex Trager
No one would have a problem with people seeking to out criminals , particularly of this type - that is not what Robinson has done this week ..he was risking justice for those affected
the team supporting the victims have explained this clearly ...yet it is being portrayed as unfair by those in defence of Robinson - and people are falling for this narrative
We have our wires crossed.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
I originally pointed out it doesn’t matter why he exposes gangs etc.
I am not defending him on this case.
He hasn't exposed anyone. All he's done is highlight some cases to further his own agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Trager
Ever?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Like the BBC,Sky News...or maybe even CNN? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
You tell me, you seem to be the Tommy Robinson expert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Trager
On the contrary. You’re busy telling everyone he is a racist and only focusses on X because he has racist agendas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
If anyone is proclaiming to be an expert on him it’s you.
:faf: You claim TR is exposing paedophile gangs, can't provide any evidence to support that claim then expect me to find evidence of something that doesn't exist to back up your claim. :faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Trager
I said exposure of rape gangs is good. It isQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157466949093858&id=59949885 7Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Trager
Exposure of rape gangs is good, but potentially compromising rapists facing justice - which is what Robinson is doing with this pissing about to further his own agenda - really is not good at all.
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
How about balancing your media intake. Try also reading from New York Times , Guardian , Independent...read about the topics you are interested in ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan69
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Originally Posted by allant1981
I'm guessing Britain First's facebook page. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibee87
Wouldn't suprise me. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by EH6 Hibby
I really don't think Robinson is doing this recording out of the goodness of his heart, to try and expose pedophilia. It's far more likely that he's doing it to try and incite racial hatred and stir up crap against Muslims.
Let’s not beat around the bush here, the guy is a complete c***. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either a c*** of similar proportions or a mug.
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Originally Posted by Ryan69
Even if this was true (another poster has disproved this), what good is served by him filming in a count where the accused are already standing trial? By definition, they’ve already been exposed, otherwise they wouldn’t be standing trial on these charges. He’s not exposing anyone for rape.
His agenda is extremely important. He’s creating a false narrative about Islam and people are lapping it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Trager
... this is my pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Your point was that “the reasoning about it doesn’t matter”. Well, Tommy Robinson is using “Muslim rape gangs” to forward the idea that Islam is not compatible with western society, and people are falling for it. He’s doing more harm than good on a societal level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Trager
I agree with this article and the way it describes the differences between paedophile rings and these Muslim grooming gangs. And before anyone starts, it’s penned by a rape survivor and in a newspaper with a neutral editorial stance.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.i...831.html%3famp
One thing that jumps out is her opinion (which is shared by other victims) that people like Robinson, who want to tar all Muslims with the same brush, certainly aren’t helping.
I actually agree with a lot of what he says about grooming gangs and terrorism etc...more should be done to stop indoctrination and preachers of hate should be punished.
However, once you watch a few of his videos you can see through the veneer. He wants to propogate the idea that there is something fundamentally wrong with the faith and anyone who follows it, creating the narrative that there will never be social compatibility. One example is a video where there are a group of Asians fighting...”out of control” is the headline, as if it’s only Asians that fight.
However, if people continually dismiss obvious links that are staring everyone in the face, it will probably force others into believing people like Robinson and seeing him as some sort of visionary.
Can anyone explain why people like Gary Glitter and his ilk, had no reporting restrictions when they are in court, but these muslim grooming gangs do?
Surely the law should be the same for every religion?
The law is the same for everyone. It's just nobody else was stupid enough to turn up at court during a trial and attempt to broadcast slanderous claims of guilt before the trial was concluded. He was on a yellow card already so he shouldn't be surprised he got red.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
The judge sums it up quite nicely:
In short, Mr. Yaxley-Lennon, turn up at another court, refer to people as ‘Muslim paedophiles, Muslim rapists’ and so on and so forth while trials are ongoing and before there has been a finding by a jury that that is what they are, and you will find yourself inside. Do you understand? Thank you very much.
I couldnt be arsed watching the video he did, is that what he was doing slandering folk?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
I only read a few posts that said he was reporting live on what they were up on charge with, like i have seen many times on mainstream tv.
You probably read the same Tweet as I did. [emoji16]Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
The point was well-made that reporting restrictions are put in place for a variety of reasons. It's unlikely that religion will be one of them.
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Yip it came up on my twitter page, :agree: i did also read on there that his arrest and appearance in court was quick, all done in a few hours and handed a jail sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
If he's guilty, he's only himself to blame.
From the outside looking in, it does seem he's being given special treatment. :greengrin
Tommy Robinson as I understand was not actually on court property, just talking into his phone.
To me it smells of MI5. The growth of the internet has provided platforms like never before and it scares the establishment.
The old cries of racism are starting to become meaningless for some. This is a culture war waiting to happen.
I think it's perfectly possible that you can become so obsessed with an issue that confirmation bias overrules everything and you see only what you want to see. In this instance Robinson is utterly convinced that there is a conspiracy to protect and hide gangs of Muslim men committing deplorable acts and that's the only explanation for reporting restrictions that he can comprehend.
I'd suggest there are a few potential explanations for the restrictions. Firstly witness and victim protection. Minority groups often live in communities within communities and it stands to reasons if the faces of the men on trial were splashed all over the paper identification of witnesses and victims and potential for pressure or intimidation is heightened. Secondly it could be possible the Police have attempted to 'flip' one or more of the accused, if they have been sent back into a community to try and expose further organised paedophilia it probably doesn't do their cover any good if people they are known to have associated with are men who are publicly on trial. It's also not impossible that as part of the investigation the Police have passed information over to the SIS. Contrary to the James Bond image the current requirements in a British spy are far more likely to be fluency in Arabic and the ability to engage with the Muslim community as opposed to being a hard drinking, womanising, upper middle class muscleman in a tuxedo. If there are ongoing investigations in a particular area again having people from that community all over the papers is potentially compromising. I'm not suggesting I'm correct and Robinson is wrong, it's just worth considering there are a myriad number of reasons as to why restrictions have been put in place.
Finally the idea that Robinson has exposed this gang or any other is fanciful at best. The fact there is an ongoing trial suggests the authorities are well aware of these activities and are dealing with them. 'Successful' paedophile rings tend to be good at what they do and it can take years to untangle the networks; there are likely to be many investigations going on. Rather than exposing this group what Robinson has actually done is potentially jeopardise years of work and investigation to satisfy his own ego. If the trial collapses or an appeal is heard claiming mistrial it's possible a group of dangerous, predatory men could be released onto the streets. I think Robinson has been treated as a special case by being charged and sentenced so quickly but I'd argue it's for the protection of years of work to get these guys off the street rather than as part of an establishment ploy to turn a blind eye to paedophilia within the Muslim community.
I don't see a link to this clearly made up Daily Mail wet dream fantasy story. Have I missed it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan69
I'm not sure if the post was a wind up or not? There are plenty genuine concerns about Islam and the Islamic migration into Europe without having to opt for the two scenarios he chose to highlight lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Lendo
I'm not sure why this is relevant?Quote:
Originally Posted by jockodile
Sentenced to 13 months.
Yes. I recall his campaign against paedophilia in the Catholic church.Quote:
Originally Posted by SRHibs
He is a hate filled person....has no interest in protecting the vulnerable ...this tweet sums it up for me Attachment 20834
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Irony is he's went down for longer than the grooming gang members will go down for.
At least we can all sit and have a chug about diversity and how racist Robinson is.
What do you base your latest garbage on, when the last instance of a gang being prosecuted for this resulted in a minimum term of 4 years for one of those involved, going up to 12 years and citizenship removals?Quote:
Originally Posted by IGRIGI
The fact that he's a racist twonk doesn't factor into that he broke the law and has been punished.
Just a crying shame that he'll (probably) get out to spew his bile in the not-too-distant future.
That's just nonsense though isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by IGRIGI
A 2 second search on Google shows that in 2017 a Muslim man convicted of grooming in Ashton under Lyme got 4 years and 6 months, 2 Asian men convicted of a rape in Accrington in 2012 got indefinite sentences, The Aylesbury ring that was tried in 2015 saw sentences of 3 to 19 years, The Banbury ring got sentences ranging from 3 to 9 years, a case in Birkenhead in 2017 saw a sentence of 4 years, 2 guys in Birmingham in 2017 got 10 and 5 years respectively, another case in the same city in 2017 saw a sentence of 7 years.
I'm not sure if Robinson has been harshly treated for a contempt of court sentence but the claims he 'got longer than the paedos will' doesn't add up no matter how loud and how often people shout it.
Do you actually believe this stuff ??Quote:
Originally Posted by IGRIGI
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Is this an extract from some kind of Tommy Robinson fan club statement?Quote:
Originally Posted by IGRIGI
Have a word.Quote:
Originally Posted by IGRIGI
Hopefully for him he doesn't bump into any Muslims in the pokey.
Like the man who was sent to jail for putting bacon on a mosque door handle and was then murdered in jail.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoneyburn hibs
I can't help but think Tommy Robinson is an agent provocateur. His rise to fame and the publicity he receives reeks of being a plant.
Too late!Quote:
Originally Posted by stoneyburn hibs
http://newsthump.com/2018/05/29/form...erts-to-islam/
You mean this guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.c...e-7573478/amp/
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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Cover story.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
The Mecca chapter of the Luciferians got to him.
Yes that is him. Ok I over stepped the mark by saying he was murdered I thought he had been.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Your on the right track of thought but go a little deeper with it, think about what Salman Rushdie was saying!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
So does this mean there probably won’t be any reruns of Blackadder or Time Team for a while?
:wink:
It’s amazing what you can find out by doing 15 seconds of research instead of just believing what you read on Britain First’s Facebook page.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
:tee hee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lendo
"A book is a version of the world. If you do not like it, ignore it; or offer your own version in return."Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
You just matched my level of ignorance with that post LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Lendo
No. He really hasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
Oh but he really has!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Oh but he really hasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
And as I have said time and time again, if a rape gang is exposed then that is a positive. People are smart enough to see through him. Or they ought to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by SRHibs
Ok I concede maybe not quite as ignorant but def in the same ball park of ignorance seeing as I don't read any Britain First material.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
What he said was 100% accurate. Not ignorant in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam