(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

Well, it's almost here!!

The unbelievable is about to happen tomorrow.

I wonder how it's all going to pan out.

Whatever happens, it's going to be a roller coaster. Hold on................

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/

It's going to be interesting.

I have to say that I'm rather repelled by the protestors and a list rent-a-gobs whining and doom saying about it.

Here was a vote. He won. He has to be given the chance to get on with it. If folk don't like what he does, then campaign and protest but don't argue the result. Democracy is too important to be undermined in this way.

They'll end up looking bloody stupid if things go well for him anyway and he'll get two terms!

People have a right to protest, to whine and to predict disaster - even in a democracy. If things go badly for him, it'll be the alt-right and their conservative friends who will be looking ridiculous for having backed such a cretin in the first place.

Here's a guy who won the electoral college, but lost the popular vote by near enough 3mil. Someone who has a range of fraud and sexual assault allegations lining up behind him, who clearly has a very loose understanding of the world he's about to enter and who has surrounded himself with a range of right-wing cranks as advisers. This is not going to end well and as worrying as it is to see him ascend to power, it will be joyous to watch him fall.

I'd have no problem if he was your standard, right wing republican type who maybe has a vague grasp on some of the big issues around the world or knows when to hold his or her tongue as befits the status of the office. However, that's not what we have - he's got a paper-thin skin, he's impulsive and a compulsive liar.

He will be given time - there's no other option - but my money is on him not seeing out his full term.

Advice to President Trump, avoid grassy knolls and book repositories, particularly in Dallas.

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Originally Posted by Golden Fleece

Advice to President Trump, avoid grassy knolls and book repositories, particularly in Dallas.

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Thats pretty much what I would tell him too.

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Originally Posted by steakbake

People have a right to protest, to whine and to predict disaster - even in a democracy. If things go badly for him, it'll be the alt-right and their conservative friends who will be looking ridiculous for having backed such a cretin in the first place.

Here's a guy who won the electoral college, but lost the popular vote by near enough 3mil. Someone who has a range of fraud and sexual assault allegations lining up behind him, who clearly has a very loose understanding of the world he's about to enter and who has surrounded himself with a range of right-wing cranks as advisers. This is not going to end well and as worrying as it is to see him ascend to power, it will be joyous to watch him fall.

I'd have no problem if he was your standard, right wing republican type who maybe has a vague grasp on some of the big issues around the world or knows when to hold his or her tongue as befits the status of the office. However, that's not what we have - he's got a paper-thin skin, he's impulsive and a compulsive liar.

He will be given time - there's no other option - but my money is on him not seeing out his full term.

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I didn't say they couldn't do it! I said I was not impressed by it! ....and ultimately it might undermine the liberal cause (which would be a pity).

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Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY

Thats pretty much what I would tell him too.

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I'd tell him to start acting like a decent human being or **** off.

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Originally Posted by Beefster

I'd tell him to start acting like a decent human being or **** off.

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Being what he is has gotten him the biggest gig on the planet, I can't see him changing anytime soon unfortunately.

I didn't watch any of the previous inaugurations and have no plans to watch this one. Another President will tell us what he is going to do for the next four years and then carry out the exact opposite.

Hopefully everything will pass in a tediously boring ennui and protesters will have pished off home before the Laker game starts.

GBA

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Originally Posted by GreenLake

I didn't watch any of the previous inaugurations and have no plans to watch this one. Another President will tell us what he is going to do for the next four years and then carry out the exact opposite.

Hopefully everything will pass in a tediously boring ennui and protesters will have pished off home before the Laker game starts.

GBA

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I'm not going to watch something I wasn't going to watch anyway. That'll show him. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by marinello59

I'm not going to watch something I wasn't going to watch anyway. That'll show him. :greengrin

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Bloody killjoy - AFC Wimbledonesque

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Originally Posted by Golden Fleece

Advice to President Trump, avoid grassy knolls and book repositories, particularly in Dallas.

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The Democrats advice to President Trump, visit grassy knolls and book repositories, particularly in Dallas.
Also, take in a play, a concert or a train ride. :wink:

The only thing I will say about Trumpton is that he's the proverbial fox in the chicken roost.
The smug little power cliques in Washington (& likewise Westminster) are finally being shown up for what they are. Make no mistake, Donnie Boy is in there as a protest vote. Sit back and watch the feathers fly.

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

Being what he is has gotten him the biggest gig on the planet, I can't see him changing anytime soon unfortunately.

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I know but I could rest easy knowing I had done my bit!

This is the worst speech ever written. Utter fantasy, almost a parody of itself, poorly articulated in a man-child's voice.

If you alienate the NSA, CIA et al and key players in your own party, then there are some unpleasant chickens that might get together before coming home to roost. Grassy knolls etc. indeed.

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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin

This is the worst speech ever written. Utter fantasy, almost a parody of itself, poorly articulated in a man-child's voice.

If you alienate the NSA, CIA et al and key players in your own party, then there are some unpleasant chickens that might get together before coming home to roost. Grassy knolls etc. indeed.

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His speech delivered exactly what the people that voted for him wanted, they will be delighted.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

I'm not going to watch something I wasn't going to watch anyway. That'll show him. :greengrin

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I wouldn't have not done exactly the same for Hitlery. :wink:

Dumb & Dumber being interviewed on SN.

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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin

This is the worst speech ever written. Utter fantasy, almost a parody of itself, poorly articulated in a man-child's voice.

If you alienate the NSA, CIA et al and key players in your own party, then there are some unpleasant chickens that might get together before coming home to roost. Grassy knolls etc. indeed.

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The BBC analyst nailed it.

His speech preached about putting America first to create jobs etc but his ire was aimed at 'Asia' and 'Mexico' when it should be aimed at robots that don't carry passports. Unless he has a time machine that can turn the clock back to the 1950s his job creation plans are pure fantasy.

Also is it just me or is Melania Trumps body language really strange. She's like a mannequin. You see the Obamas and they look genuinely close and intimate with each other. Mrs Trump looks like she's paid to be there.

Trump better protect his rug as the helicopter takes off.

The only way to deal with this reality is to pretend it isn't happening.

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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin

This is the worst speech ever written. Utter fantasy, almost a parody of itself, poorly articulated in a man-child's voice.

If you alienate the NSA, CIA et al and key players in your own party, then there are some unpleasant chickens that might get together before coming home to roost. Grassy knolls etc. indeed.

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He's like an inarticulate Gordon Gekko

Trump is playing into the hands of Russia. He will put NATO's head on a plate for Putin and jeapordise world peace. God forbid, but my jaw dropped at the TV commentator's initial description of the new Vice-President ....... here is the man who will step into breach in the event of an assassination. Talk about tempting fate.

And aside from all else he's an absolutely terrible orator.

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Originally Posted by Jim44

Trump is playing into the hands of Russia. He will put NATO's head on a plate for Putin and jeapordise world peace. God forbid, but my jaw dropped at the TV commentator's initial description of the new Vice-President ....... here is the man who will step into breach in the event of an assassination. Talk about tempting fate.

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Trump sees Europe as economical competition, if he and Putin can destabilise Europe economically then it's win win for them.

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Originally Posted by Beefster

I'd tell him to start acting like a decent human being or **** off.

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Indeed.

Interesting to see all the protestors in London signing and erecting banners on the Millennium Bridge.

I was down there from 2 o' clock this afternoon and didn't see any of the *******. They must have turned up for 5 minutes to get their photos taken and then pissed off back to the student union.

"The carnage stops now!"

It's about time someone took a tough stance on gun ownership.

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Originally Posted by Pete

"The carnage stops now!"

It's about time someone took a tough stance on gun ownership.

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Or indeed encouraged his haters to buy more ;-)

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

The BBC analyst nailed it.

His speech preached about putting America first to create jobs etc but his ire was aimed at 'Asia' and 'Mexico' when it should be aimed at robots that don't carry passports. Unless he has a time machine that can turn the clock back to the 1950s his job creation plans are pure fantasy.

Also is it just me or is Melania Trumps body language really strange. She's like a mannequin. You see the Obamas and they look genuinely close and intimate with each other. Mrs Trump looks like she's paid to be there.

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I'm not sure his job creation plan is pure fantasy. If you stop or put hefty tariffs on imports, then you make what you produce at home more attractive. I'm not sure if that would make things more expensive for American businesses or not.
Without trying to be sensationalist, there's a lot of similarities between what he is saying and what hitler was saying in the 1930s. If you add that to the fact that Russia are further down the road with a similar philosophy, it doesn't bode well for the rest of the world.
Right now the world looks very similar to the 1930s, the positive is that at the moment we don't have a major aggressor to bring the two sides to conflict.

Well, despite everything, I'm sure we all hope he does a good job.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

The BBC analyst nailed it.

His speech preached about putting America first to create jobs etc but his ire was aimed at 'Asia' and 'Mexico' when it should be aimed at robots that don't carry passports. Unless he has a time machine that can turn the clock back to the 1950s his job creation plans are pure fantasy.

Also is it just me or is Melania Trumps body language really strange. She's like a mannequin. You see the Obamas and they look genuinely close and intimate with each other. Mrs Trump looks like she's paid to be there.

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I doubt she is with him for his charm, wit and good looks... 😀

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

I doubt she is with him for his charm, wit and good looks... 😀

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She does his hair apparently. She is his most prised asset :greengrin

The art of diplomacy is to not say the things you want to say, or to say the things you want to say in a way that makes it look like you're not saying them and to kiss the arse of people and regimes you despise, at least in public ...... Trump doesn't appear to have any of these attributes.

His America first credo has another name .... 'protectionism' .... decades ago that was a system that rarely worked, in today's global economy it has absolutely no chance of working. The big American manufacturers build cars and a million other products abroad so that they can import them to the US and sell them at a fraction of the cost of cars etc produced at home. If Trump gets his way and the car companies for example have to build in the US paying US wages and taxes that car that cost you $5,000 will cost you $8,000.

He can impose higher import duty on Japanese, Chinese and European products to make them more expensive, but that wont make American goods any cheaper at home, meaning that US employers will have to pay higher wages making producing at home even more expensive and that expense will have to be passed on to the consumer.

In this global economy does he really think that making it more expensive for the outside world to import to the US wont go by without retaliation ...... in the blink of an eye the Chinese, Japanese and Europeans will slap import tax on American goods that will make their eyes water ..... and with all these goods being produced in the US being more expensive due to them having to pay higher wages and then having massive import duties slapped on them by foreign governments, why would a European want to buy a Motorola mobile phone made in the good ol' USA when he can buy a Samsung phone made in China that is just as good but half the price?

Then there's the steel plants ...... yes perhaps the USA can revive its steel industry, but the only folk who would want to buy their steel produced at twice or three times the price of Chinese steel are the US car giants and construction industry, but once again that will push up the price of building cars and anything else using US steel and that means they either increase wages or have a whole domestic US economy where nobody can afford to buy anything.

President Trump has already made noises about NATO being obsolete and today in his inauguration speech he made a thinly veiled threat that his United States will no longer be willing to commit troops and resources to protect outside countries, which sounds to me like giving little or no support to the security of the countries bordering his new best buddy Vladimir Putin's Russia.
In which case all of the countries concerned like Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine and Turkey, not to mention Germany, France and the UK will be galvanised into producing their own weapons rather than relying on importing arms from the US which no doubt many of them do ...... If Trump goes down this line the first thing the UK should threaten to do is cancel Trident on the premise that we have no confidence in the USA's ability or willingness to supply the aftercare the system needs if we do buy it.

I'm beginning to think the Donald hasn't really thought this through.

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Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE

The art of diplomacy is to not say the things you want to say, or to say the things you want to say in a way that makes it look like you're not saying them and to kiss the arse of people and regimes you despise, at least in public ...... Trump doesn't appear to have any of these attributes.

His America first credo has another name .... 'protectionism' .... decades ago that was a system that rarely worked, in today's global economy it has absolutely no chance of working. The big American manufacturers build cars and a million other products abroad so that they can import them to the US and sell them at a fraction of the cost of cars etc produced at home. If Trump gets his way and the car companies for example have to build in the US paying US wages and taxes that car that cost you $5,000 will cost you $8,000.

He can impose higher import duty on Japanese, Chinese and European products to make them more expensive, but that wont make American goods any cheaper at home, meaning that US employers will have to pay higher wages making producing at home even more expensive and that expense will have to be passed on to the consumer.

In this global economy does he really think that making it more expensive for the outside world to import to the US wont go by without retaliation ...... in the blink of an eye the Chinese, Japanese and Europeans will slap import tax on American goods that will make their eyes water ..... and with all these goods being produced in the US being more expensive due to them having to pay higher wages and then having massive import duties slapped on them by foreign governments, why would a European want to buy a Motorola mobile phone made in the good ol' USA when he can buy a Samsung phone made in China that is just as good but half the price?

Then there's the steel plants ...... yes perhaps the USA can revive its steel industry, but the only folk who would want to buy their steel produced at twice or three times the price of Chinese steel are the US car giants and construction industry, but once again that will push up the price of building cars and anything else using US steel and that means they either increase wages or have a whole domestic US economy where nobody can afford to buy anything.

President Trump has already made noises about NATO being obsolete and today in his inauguration speech he made a thinly veiled threat that his United States will no longer be willing to commit troops and resources to protect outside countries, which sounds to me like giving little or no support to the security of the countries bordering his new best buddy Vladimir Putin's Russia.
In which case all of the countries concerned like Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine and Turkey, not to mention Germany, France and the UK will be galvanised into producing their own weapons rather than relying on importing arms from the US which no doubt many of them do ...... If Trump goes down this line the first thing the UK should threaten to do is cancel Trident on the premise that we have no confidence in the USA's ability or willingness to supply the aftercare the system needs if we do buy it.

I'm beginning to think the Donald hasn't really thought this through.

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While I agree with almost all of that, there's a danger that we might have a bit of a dominoe effect of countries adopting similar policies to try and protect industry in their own countries. Of all the countries that adopt this policy the USA has the least to lose. We are already hearing very similar noises from our government after the brexit vote and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that other European countries might follow in our wake.
Right now the world is a broken place, where the rich get richer and the rest struggle, whether what trump has to offer will make things better or worse remains to be seen.

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

While I agree with almost all of that, there's a danger that we might have a bit of a dominoe effect of countries adopting similar policies to try and protect industry in their own countries. Of all the countries that adopt this policy the USA has the least to lose. We are already hearing very similar noises from our government after the brexit vote and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that other European countries might follow in our wake.
Right now the world is a broken place, where the rich get richer and the rest struggle, whether what trump has to offer will make things better or worse remains to be seen.

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Exactly mate .... the domino effect in trade is another possible effect of all this, the end result could be that everything gets more expensive for everybody everywhere ... as usual it will be the little guy who loses and that includes the little American guy who Trump claims to be the champion of.

I've just watched it and fair enough I'm pretty jacked right now, bar the America first, America first, I've no clue what he was harping on about, proper radge

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Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE

Exactly mate .... the domino effect in trade is another possible effect of all this, the end result could be that everything gets more expensive for everybody everywhere ... as usual it will be the little guy who loses and that includes the little American guy who Trump claims to be the champion of.

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:agree: 50 years ago we had nearly full employment, but almost everyone was poor and life expectancy was far lower than it is today. I always laugh when I hear politicians from UKIP talk about making Britain great again. Great for who?

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

:agree: 50 years ago we had nearly full employment, but almost everyone was poor and life expectancy was far lower than it is today. I always laugh when I hear politicians from UKIP talk about making Britain great again. Great for who?

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Themselves!

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Originally Posted by HomeTeam

Themselves!

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And their wealthy friends

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Originally Posted by Golden Fleece

Advice to President Trump, avoid grassy knolls and book repositories, particularly in Dallas.

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And cigars. They can have mind of own

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Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE

The art of diplomacy is to not say the things you want to say, or to say the things you want to say in a way that makes it look like you're not saying them and to kiss the arse of people and regimes you despise, at least in public ...... Trump doesn't appear to have any of these attributes.

His America first credo has another name .... 'protectionism' .... decades ago that was a system that rarely worked, in today's global economy it has absolutely no chance of working. The big American manufacturers build cars and a million other products abroad so that they can import them to the US and sell them at a fraction of the cost of cars etc produced at home. If Trump gets his way and the car companies for example have to build in the US paying US wages and taxes that car that cost you $5,000 will cost you $8,000.

He can impose higher import duty on Japanese, Chinese and European products to make them more expensive, but that wont make American goods any cheaper at home, meaning that US employers will have to pay higher wages making producing at home even more expensive and that expense will have to be passed on to the consumer.

In this global economy does he really think that making it more expensive for the outside world to import to the US wont go by without retaliation ...... in the blink of an eye the Chinese, Japanese and Europeans will slap import tax on American goods that will make their eyes water ..... and with all these goods being produced in the US being more expensive due to them having to pay higher wages and then having massive import duties slapped on them by foreign governments, why would a European want to buy a Motorola mobile phone made in the good ol' USA when he can buy a Samsung phone made in China that is just as good but half the price?

Then there's the steel plants ...... yes perhaps the USA can revive its steel industry, but the only folk who would want to buy their steel produced at twice or three times the price of Chinese steel are the US car giants and construction industry, but once again that will push up the price of building cars and anything else using US steel and that means they either increase wages or have a whole domestic US economy where nobody can afford to buy anything.

President Trump has already made noises about NATO being obsolete and today in his inauguration speech he made a thinly veiled threat that his United States will no longer be willing to commit troops and resources to protect outside countries, which sounds to me like giving little or no support to the security of the countries bordering his new best buddy Vladimir Putin's Russia.
In which case all of the countries concerned like Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine and Turkey, not to mention Germany, France and the UK will be galvanised into producing their own weapons rather than relying on importing arms from the US which no doubt many of them do ...... If Trump goes down this line the first thing the UK should threaten to do is cancel Trident on the premise that we have no confidence in the USA's ability or willingness to supply the aftercare the system needs if we do buy it.

I'm beginning to think the Donald hasn't really thought this through.

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Best invest in US stock. Inflation will push it quite high, I think. He will present that as success.

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

I've just watched it and fair enough I'm pretty jacked right now, bar the America first, America first, I've no clue what he was harping on about, proper radge

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Its difficult to say what any of his retoric will actually mean.

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Originally Posted by Colr

Best invest in US stock. Inflation will push it quite high, I think. He will present that as success.

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Yes very possible and will boost his portfolios while looking indirect influence.

An Executive Order signed to dismantle Obama care. He didn't waste much time.

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Originally Posted by Betty Boop

An Executive Order signed to dismantle Obama care. He didn't waste much time.

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Keep an eye on Cuba over the next month. That'll tell us a lot about how he plans to balance isolationism vs expansionism.

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Originally Posted by Betty Boop

An Executive Order signed to dismantle Obama care. He didn't waste much time.

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He also removed all reference to LGBT rights, the history of the civil rights movement and climate change from the White House website.

Money and patriotism are the order of the day. Expect to see an unprecedented awakening in the Arts (all of it: film, music, literature etc.) and powerful works of fear, resistance and protest over the next four years (if he makes it that far).

the funny thing about yesterday for me was seeing protesters carrying placards about saying stand up to hate and fascism , setting fire to cars , smashing up shops and assaulting retirement age military veterans in the streets

these 'liberals' really are a confused bunch

only interested in democracy when the result goes their way , and are against hate and fascism until they feel the need to go on a hate fuelled violent rampage

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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin

He also removed all reference to LGBT rights, the history of the civil rights movement and climate change from the White House website.

Money and patriotism are the order of the day. Expect to see an unprecedented awakening in the Arts (all of it: film, music, literature etc.) and powerful works of fear, resistance and protest over the next four years (if he makes it that far).

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Its a good point .... nothing galvanises popular culture and the arts like having self serving right wing ********s in charge .... the late 70s and 80s being a prime example.

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

the funny thing about yesterday for me was seeing protesters carrying placards about saying stand up to hate and fascism , setting fire to cars , smashing up shops and assaulting retirement age military veterans in the streets

these 'liberals' really are a confused bunch

only interested in democracy when the result goes their way , and are against hate and fascism until they feel the need to go on a hate fuelled violent rampage

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Totally agree ...... I'm always confused as to why folk protesting against what they see as despots or fascists think they will get their point over, or public support, by trashing shops and offices belonging to folk they claim to be wanting to help .... I cant think of anything more counter productive.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Keep an eye on Cuba over the next month. That'll tell us a lot about how he plans to balance isolationism vs expansionism.

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I legally brought a bottle of Habana Club back from Panama and I will be gutted if Trump brings back a ban on Cuban rum.

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

the funny thing about yesterday for me was seeing protesters carrying placards about saying stand up to hate and fascism , setting fire to cars , smashing up shops and assaulting retirement age military veterans in the streets

these 'liberals' really are a confused bunch

only interested in democracy when the result goes their way , and are against hate and fascism until they feel the need to go on a hate fuelled violent rampage

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Liberals? Really? The moment you start smashing up the place, you're not a liberal.

Lots of protests in the US and around the world.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-38682569

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Lots of protests in the US and around the world.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-38682569

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And in Edinburgh.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-fife-38704352

2,000 at the US consulate.

Huge turnout at demonstrations, being kettled in Washington and Chicago.

What are the protestors hoping to achieve? I have watched alot of coverage online and it's a motley crew who are out protesting with very cringe worthy chants.

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What are the protestors hoping to achieve? I have watched alot of coverage online and it's a motley crew who are out protesting with very cringe worthy chants.

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The same as any demonstration. Raising awareness, and making sure that those in power know they're there.

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Originally Posted by HomeTeam

What are the protestors hoping to achieve? I have watched alot of coverage online and it's a motley crew who are out protesting with very cringe worthy chants.

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For the answer to the bit in bold, see: civil rights movement, poll tax, anti-LGBT laws, Dakota pipeline, climate change, etc. etc.

They are reminding the incoming administration, with everything that means, that they will be held accountable and do not have a free hand to just do whatever they want.

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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin

For the answer to the bit in bold, see: civil rights movement, poll tax, anti-LGBT laws, Dakota pipeline, climate change, etc. etc.

They are reminding the incoming administration, with everything that means, that they will be held accountable and do not have a free hand to just do whatever they want.

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They're also reminding everyone of the kind of identity politics that they were voting against when they backed Trump. The kind that has little to no interest in ordinary working people - especially if they're working class and white. Labour needs to take note and stand up for more than minorities.

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Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE

Totally agree ...... I'm always confused as to why folk protesting against what they see as despots or fascists think they will get their point over, or public support, by trashing shops and offices belonging to folk they claim to be wanting to help .... I cant think of anything more counter productive.

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Very broadly, How do you think you best get a dissenting point across if you are an objector who opposed to any govts approach on any topic...?

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Originally Posted by Colr

Best invest in US stock. Inflation will push it quite high, I think. He will present that as success.

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Not convinced there is any direct correlation.

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Originally Posted by Colr

Best invest in US stock. Inflation will push it quite high, I think. He will present that as success.

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Buy American companies that make concrete, they are going to be doing a lot of building of stuff.

The majority at the protests are your usual champagne socialists, having a day trip away from which ever University Mummy and Daddy are pumping tens of thousands of dollars into in order to tweet to everyone how heatbreaking and tragic everything is before retiring for the evening for cocktails at whatever ****y student bar they piss away further funds on Dad's credit card.

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Originally Posted by IGRIGI

The majority at the protests are your usual champagne socialists, having a day trip away from which ever University Mummy and Daddy are pumping tens of thousands of dollars into in order to tweet to everyone how heatbreaking and tragic everything is before retiring for the evening for cocktails at whatever ****y student bar they piss away further funds on Dad's credit card.

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Yes, of course that's what it was.

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The majority at the protests are your usual champagne socialists, having a day trip away from which ever University Mummy and Daddy are pumping tens of thousands of dollars into in order to tweet to everyone how heatbreaking and tragic everything is before retiring for the evening for cocktails at whatever ****y student bar they piss away further funds on Dad's credit card.

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Right.

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Originally Posted by johnbc70

Buy American companies that make concrete, they are going to be doing a lot of building of stuff.

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I suggest investing in detergent products. They're gonna need a lot when the sh-ugar hits the fan.

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Not convinced there is any direct correlation.

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Indeed. Could easily be argued that pushing up costs for US business by forcing them to manufacture in the US will drive down their competitiveness and thus their long term ability to make money. Not a positive for stock prices normally.

Trump seems stuck in the physical world of coal mines and car manufacturers which is rather odd for what is meant to be one of the worlds most advanced economies.

If I was American I would hope that most of his bluster is just that, saying what needs to be said to gain power and appease the people that put him there but behind it all he is going to play a rather smarter game...might be a forlorn hope but I suppose we will find out soon enough.

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The majority at the protests are your usual champagne socialists, having a day trip away from which ever University Mummy and Daddy are pumping tens of thousands of dollars into in order to tweet to everyone how heatbreaking and tragic everything is before retiring for the evening for cocktails at whatever ****y student bar they piss away further funds on Dad's credit card.

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900 000 in New York and Washington alone suggests it's a bit more than the small band of professional protesters who you refer to.

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Originally Posted by IGRIGI

The majority at the protests are your usual champagne socialists, having a day trip away from which ever University Mummy and Daddy are pumping tens of thousands of dollars into in order to tweet to everyone how heatbreaking and tragic everything is before retiring for the evening for cocktails at whatever ****y student bar they piss away further funds on Dad's credit card.

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I look forward to your providing the data to back this statement up. In the absence of said data, I'll assume you're just havering reactionary drivel.

Trump has declared ideological war on significant swathes of liberal America. Battle lines have been drawn and people are fighting back by demonstrating their opposition to him. Its healthy and is the essence of democracy. I was too lazy to attend the protest yesterday but I certainly might attend similar ones in the future.

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Originally Posted by johnbc70

Buy American companies that make concrete, they are going to be doing a lot of building of stuff.

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Buy stocks in pepper spray! They are going to use alot of it by the way things are looking.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

The same as any demonstration. Raising awareness, and making sure that those in power know they're there.

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There will be many decent protestors I am sure but from what i can see online a lot of the protests have been hi-jacked by the BLM Groups & anti-white male SJW types. Then there is the respect my pro-nouns groups in attendance you know the ones who claim there are 76 different types of genders and that the doctors have got it all wrong deciding your gender when you are born.

These people seem intent on doing nothing but causing trouble and taking away from the demonstrations that you mention.

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Originally Posted by HomeTeam

There will be many decent protestors I am sure but from what i can see online a lot of the protests have been hi-jacked by the BLM Groups & anti-white male SJW types. Then there is the respect my pro-nouns groups in attendance you know the ones who claim there are 76 different types of genders and that the doctors have got it all wrong deciding your gender when you are born.

These people seem intent on doing nothing but causing trouble and taking away from the demonstrations that you mention.

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Those groups have their place, and their right to be heard. The LGBT section of the White House website has been removed apparently

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It's all right Teresa May is going over there to get him telt.

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Originally Posted by Kavinho

Very broadly, How do you think you best get a dissenting point across if you are an objector who opposed to any govts approach on any topic...?

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Very broadly you get as many people out onto the street as you can, you make banners and wave flags and make a lot of noise, you explain to the hundreds of media types in attendance who want an interview what you're gripe is ....... following that and in the hope that you have got the point across and you have galvanised more people to join you next time you go home.

Was there not an election where the people decided?

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Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee

Was there not an election where the people decided?

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Yep, but the flip side of democracy is that the elected have to be held accountable for their actions and perceived inactions.

Trump has been in office 48 hours and he's already upset the climate change lobby, the civil rights movement, the LGBT community and the world's media. Not a bad start 😂

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Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee

Was there not an election where the people decided?

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3 million plus more people decided they actually prefered Clinton to Trump.

Of course that's not how it works in the US so it's a moot point. What is relevant though is that a government has to be accountable to all citizens. It's a keystone of any democracy worth the name that the right to protest exists.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

3 million plus more people decided they actually prefered Clinton to Trump.

Of course that's not how it works in the US so it's a moot point. What is relevant though is that a government has to be accountable to all citizens. It's a keystone of any democracy worth the name that the right to protest exists.

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Did you see Hillary's coupon at the inauguration? The lady looked totally shell-shocked.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

3 million plus more people decided they actually prefered Clinton to Trump.

Of course that's not how it works in the US so it's a moot point. What is relevant though is that a government has to be accountable to all citizens. It's a keystone of any democracy worth the name that the right to protest exists.

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its the same here

ukip got more votes than the SNP and the liberal democrats combined , SNP have 56 seats , Liberals have 8 . UKIP only have 1

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

its the same here

ukip got more votes than the SNP and the liberal democrats combined , SNP have 56 seats , Liberals have 8 . UKIP only have 1

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That's basic science though, it's statistically inevitable that narrow-minded twats are more equally distributed across the country than normal people.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

That's basic science though, it's statistically inevitable that narrow-minded twats are more equally distributed across the country than normal people.

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are you calling every ukip voter a narrow minded twat ?

thats quite a narrow minded way to look at things .

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

are you calling every ukip voter a narrow minded twat ?

thats quite a narrow minded way to look at things .

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Yes. Actually no, some are also ****s.
:greengrin

my uncle lives in england and he voted for ukip , he is neither narrow minded or a twat . he voted for them because he felt he had no choice .

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

my uncle lives in england and he voted for ukip , he is neither narrow minded or a twat . he voted for them because he felt he had no choice .

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He had a choice, he just made the wrong one :wink:

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

my uncle lives in england and he voted for ukip , he is neither narrow minded or a twat . he voted for them because he felt he had no choice .

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Genuine question - why did he feel he had no choice? what was the issue or issues which decided it for him? and why did he feel that none of the other parties would represent his view on those issues?

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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin

Genuine question - why did he feel he had no choice? what was the issue or issues which decided it for him? and why did he feel that none of the other parties would represent his view on those issues?

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he was a lifelong labour voter just like my mother and grandparents and he felt the labour party no longer represented him . he would never vote tory and he would never vote liberal so his options as he saw them were either vote ukip or dont vote at all

i dont agree with his choice but respect his right to make that choice

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

he was a lifelong labour voter just like my mother and grandparents and he felt the labour party no longer represented him . he would never vote tory and he would never vote liberal so his options as he saw them were either vote ukip or dont vote at all

i dont agree with his choice but respect his right to make that choice

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Did ukip´s "values" align with those of his traditional Labour supporting family? As you say, it was his choice, but given the context, I am struggling to understand the leap from trad Labour to ukip (not that it matters what I think etc. but I was just curious). I would have thought that not voting was the way to go, rather than endorse a party which is unashamedly racist. :dunno:

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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin

Did ukip´s "values" align with those of his traditional Labour supporting family? As you say, it was his choice, but given the context, I am struggling to understand the leap from trad Labour to ukip (not that it matters what I think etc. but I was just curious). I would have thought that not voting was the way to go, rather than endorse a party which is unashamedly racist. :dunno:

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Ukip are nothing other than a disguised BNP. They managed to play on the fears of a huge amount of normally Labour voters without the normal outward xenophobia, racism and bigotry that the BNP is well known for of which would normally scare away a normal Labour voter. They pretended to be for the ordinary working class who had become disillusioned with Labour which had appeared to have become relevant to the London centric trendy Notting Hill type elite only.

Ukip are an altogether disgusting extreme right wing party that managed to fool ordinary left of center working class folks into believing they were for them when all the time they were the extreme right wing BNP in disguise.

I can only assume once it becomes clear to they voters that their only purpose was to tear the UK out of the EU which now it has happened will result in swingeing savage cuts coming down the line once the UK has exited that will hit the vulnerable and the poorest the hardest they will return to the real working folks parties.

Glory Glory

Here is someone determined to protest. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by northstandhibby

Ukip are nothing other than a disguised BNP. They managed to play on the fears of a huge amount of normally Labour voters without the normal outward xenophobia, racism and bigotry that the BNP is well known for of which would normally scare away a normal Labour voter. They pretended to be for the ordinary working class who had become disillusioned with Labour which had appeared to have become relevant to the London centric trendy Notting Hill type elite only.

Ukip are an altogether disgusting extreme right wing party that managed to fool ordinary left of center working class folks into believing they were for them when all the time they were the extreme right wing BNP in disguise.

I can only assume once it becomes clear to they voters that their only purpose was to tear the UK out of the EU which now it has happened will result in swingeing savage cuts coming down the line once the UK has exited that will hit the vulnerable and the poorest the hardest they will return to the real working folks parties.

Glory Glory

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100% this. At first the UKIP mantra was to attack the EU bloated bureaucracy and waste, some regardless of whether left, centre or right might agree with at least some of what they said if not the way they said it, but there was always suspicions it was a front for more ugly views.

When they thought they were gaining support they quickly changed their tune to focus on immigration, which confirmed that they are really just the “BNP in suits”.

So everyone that votes Ukip is a twat and a BNP style racist, everyone that voted for Trump is similar so let's just ignore them and what they say and simply dismiss their fears and concerns as the thoughts of narrow minded twats. Yep that will work......look where that got us.

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Originally Posted by johnbc70

So everyone that votes Ukip is a twat and a BNP style racist, everyone that voted for Trump is similar so let's just ignore them and what they say and simply dismiss their fears and concerns as the thoughts of narrow minded twats. Yep that will work......look where that got us.

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Correct. Why would anyone care that millions of people voted that way. What do they know? Really, how many of them come on here to be enlightened? 😂😈

We seem to have drifted off topic a little.
But while we're talking UKIP, here's their former Chairman in Scotland

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-38638372

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Originally Posted by grunt

We seem to have drifted off topic a little.
But while we're talking UKIP, here's their former Chairman in Scotland

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-38638372

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Nice chap!

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Originally Posted by grunt

We seem to have drifted off topic a little.
But while we're talking UKIP, here's their former Chairman in Scotland

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-38638372

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After he was arrested he got one phone call and a roll of toilet paper.

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Originally Posted by johnbc70

So everyone that votes Ukip is a twat and a BNP style racist, everyone that voted for Trump is similar so let's just ignore them and what they say and simply dismiss their fears and concerns as the thoughts of narrow minded twats. Yep that will work......look where that got us.

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I dare say the folk who voted for Trump are mostly folk who see themselves as disaffected voters and buy into his anti 'political' establishment rhetoric ...... What worries me is how many of them will buy into his frenzied attack on the US media. Its one thing to attack reporting and press articles if you can back up that attack with hard evidence and prove that what was reported is either at best inaccurate, at worst a downright lie.

But Trump is not doing that, he has immediately launched an offensive against the whole of the media and is trying to establish a climate in the USA where nothing they say will be accepted as the truth by his supporters, no matter how truthful it is. The spat over how big the crowd was at his inauguration being a case in point ...... there is a raft of evidence to show that his turn out was considerably smaller than Obama's and given the circumstances, IE .. that Obama was America's first black president, there should be no surprise or embarrassment for Trump attached to that. But instead of shrugging his shoulders and giving it a 'so what' he has tried to say that the press and TV have for some reason lied about that ... it was astonishing watching his press aid nearly having an aneurism as he ranted at and harangued the open mouthed White House press corps.

A man with an ego that can be so easily bruised and who is trying to turn everybody against the last bastion available to 'the people' when all else fails ...... a free press .... cant be good for democracy. How long before he is able to deflect criticism or the genuine uncovering of incompetence or nefarious goings on just by tweeting ..... 'fake news' .... and what's his next move after that, new laws to gag the press and media by the back door, journalists being arrested for breaking his 'fake news' legislation?

He is very clever though I'll give him that. Its easy to rant on about the career politicians in the "Washington swamp" and exaggerate the state they have made of the current US economy and of course blame them for the economic failings of the past decade or so ..... what people seem to forget and something Trump and his ilk love to see forgotten or ignored is that yes politicians were to blame, but only in so much as they failed to curb the excesses of people just like him whose unfettered and unchecked greed was the real reason the worlds economy went tits up.

Its really hard to understand why people who vote for the likes of Trump and Farage in the UK with their so called populist politics seem utterly blind to the fact that far from being the solution to the problem they were the folk who caused it in the first place ..... No doubt some folk will benefit from Trump being president, but if you ask me a hell of a lot more than that wont.

The Americans love to boast that in their country 'anybody can make it if they work hard enough or have talent' ..... but I've always thought that the downside and unspoken opposite of that is an attitude that bubbles under the surface of 'if you cant make it and are unable to work hard enough or just plain unlucky then hell mend you' ........ The likes of Trump and the people he is surrounding himself with will I fear ramp that up 100% and the 'land of the free' inhabited by the ill educated, unwell, disabled and disadvantaged will be a bloody miserable place to exist.

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Originally Posted by beensaidbefore

Correct. Why would anyone care that millions of people voted that way. What do they know? Really, how many of them come on here to be enlightened? 😂😈

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Indeed, let's keep putting fingers in ears and go la la la la la and watch as the likes of Brexit and Trump happen.

Maybe if the people were listened to instead of being passed off as narrow minded twats as some on here have called them we would not be on this situation.

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Originally Posted by johnbc70

Indeed, let's keep putting fingers in ears and go la la la la la and watch as the likes of Brexit and Trump happen.

Maybe if the people were listened to instead of being passed off as narrow minded twats as some on here have called them we would not be on this situation.

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Interesting proposal. You could call it the 'hug a bigot' policy :aok:

For me the crux of the problem is the silent voters those who won't say which way they are voting for fear of being labelled a bigot racist or any other name. Why not have a reasoned and fair debate instead of name calling. Some of the videos being shown by the anti trump protests better belief. There is one of a trump supporter getting her hair set on for by anti trump surely that negates all the protests they are doing. There is also one of protesters shouting about how it is a police state and duck the police but yet call for someone to be arrested who dares to stand up to them you couldn't make it up

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Originally Posted by johnbc70

Indeed, let's keep putting fingers in ears and go la la la la la and watch as the likes of Brexit and Trump happen.

Maybe if the people were listened to instead of being passed off as narrow minded twats as some on here have called them we would not be on this situation.

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I wonder what a typical Ukip supporter might say -

'Immigrants out'

'No Blacks No Dogs No Irish allowed'

'Hang them high'

'Rule Brittania'

Sieg Heil'

'Kill the lefties'

etcetera etcetera.

Glory Glory

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Originally Posted by northstandhibby

I wonder what a typical Ukip supporter might say -

'Immigrants out'

'No Blacks No Dogs No Irish allowed'

'Hang them high'

'Rule Brittania'

Sieg Heil'

'Kill the lefties'

etcetera etcetera.

Glory Glory

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Possibly. But surely not everyone who voted for brexit?