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100% yes.
Yes.
We are nowhere near the level to turn down a player of his ability
Yes please.
Affirmative.
A fit Commons would be a no brainer. This might end up similar to what happened with Stokes in that he'll just be hitting full match sharpness towards the end of the championship season. He's not played a game since April. If we are going to spend a wedge on one stand out signing in January i'd much prefer him to be match fit.
Hell yes!
not sure.
I think he should/could be a good signing but I'm always a bit nervous about getting players in for what will possibly be the last few months of their career. I just think of Jonathon johanson, junior agogo and I'm sure there are others I can't think of right now.
He's never had any pace to lose so I suppose that should count in his favour and we've certainly missed someone that could stick the ball in the net from outside the box.
In short, every rational part of me thinks he'd be a great signing but my gut feeling is that he could well be passed it.
Always wary of signing players looking for a final pay cheque. Not to say he doesn't have the ability to do a job for us. But whether he'd actually bother or not after signing the dotted line is another matter.
Has to be questions about his fitness. Don't want a rerun of Johanson.
He wouldn't necessarily be looking for a final pay cheque though. If, for example, he signed on loan till the end of the season he'd most likely be looking at a reduction in pay. That would show a hunger to play imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs
No doubt.
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Yes
He would be the best player since sauzee. Real class and proven winner in Scotland
No brainer for me,to get a player of his quality would be a great signing.
Yes please
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Aye and bring Hendo with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Last Minute
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Originally Posted by southsider
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I cant make a reasoned view on this, as i dont know how fit he is? :confused:
This!! It's a big statement to make but I've said it also myself. He'd be an absolute hell of a signing!Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
It's the rumour I've been keeping my eye on most. Please Hibs!
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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
That's it for me.
If he's even 75% of the player he was at his best then absolutely yes.
It's a big fat yes from me.
I think he'd be a great signing.
As others have said he doesn't have any pace to lose and regarding his fitness,if he only lasts an hour in each game,that could be enough to break some teams down.
His name's a bit too common. Enzo Reale for me!
Definitely a yes from me. I understand concerns about fitness but as long as hes at full tilt at the business end of the season I can't see why wouldn't take him if we can. Proven pedigree and good relationship with the manager.
A fit Kris Commons then yes!
That is my view too. Stokes was amazing in the final but over the time he was here, without that game, I'm not sure it would be described as a successful signing. If Commons is cheap then it might be worthwhile but if we can get a good to go quality youngster with potential sell on then that is the route I would prefer. One thing for sure we need 3 or 4 players who offer more than what we have at present.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Franck
Not even a question. **** aye.
Yes please Celtic,that'll be just great thanks,if Henderson comes along as well,we'll all be happy!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibby soldier
Are we really in a position to turn down the likes of Commons joining us for half a season? It's a no-brainer - Yes.
Half a season in the team or half a season on the dreaded "two weeks " list?Quote:
Originally Posted by #FromTheCapital
If all goes to plan we`ll have 17 league games and 5 cup ones from January to May . If he`s fit enough to make an impact in at least 20 games then yes . Most of his wages would still be paid by Celtic who would presumably prefer to get more / all of his wages paid by another club , in England presumably . Also , is there a limit on number of loan players from one club ? Could we get anyone else from Celtic too ? Presumably at least 1 more if we had Henderson and Stokes last season .
He got class and intelligence. We need more of both.
Poor man's Henderson
Just pay the dough and bring Henderson back
**** Commons, Christie, GMS. Just sign Henderson.
DAE IT!
Hell yeah NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO brainer surely :thumbsup:
yes please:aok:
Pay When u Play kinda Contract .. must be.. :wink:
Need to sort out a deal re. his £20k a week wages he's getting from Celtc.
I suggest Celtc pay him £10k and Celtc pay Hibs £10k.
That would probably clinch it for me. :cb
Is Commons match fit? If not how long to get him match fit . These are things that have to be taken into consideration.
This for me as he will take up a big wage But if he scores goals stays fiit and creates chances for others he would be an assett and has experience to maybe turn a game off the bench if he isnt up to the 90 minutes initiallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Tamhere1875
If he's fit then absolutely yes.
Would be very surprised if he is fit enough to contribute enough in a period crucial to our future.
Hopefully I'm wrong - he was a fine player, but it's not a signing I'm confident about.
If he comes to ER in January he won't have played for around 9 months so the answer is nowhere near match fit.How long to get fit?Well it certainly doesn't get any easier as you get older.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tamhere1875
Exactly. Is he fit like (as the Sheep would say).Quote:
Originally Posted by ancient hibee
Am I first to say no?
A big yes, Internationalist, extremely clever, talented and will be someone who can unlock a defence, he never was known for pace but t's the pace of his footballing brain we need, plus he's a winner.
By the time he is fit Fyfie and McGinn would be back. Good player no doubt but would not take him if we had the chance to get Henderson as a Hibs player not on loan. We really need players who can hit the gorund running.
Honestly? No.
Fitness and age will together be an issue and all for a large chunk of the wages too.
I feel our money could be spent wiser but I'd love to be proved wrong.
cant see us having the chance to get Hendo as a player, rather than a loan? however, the man were on about....yes. has the credentials, as much as yer man Anthony Stokes had. Stokesy annoyed a few on here for weeks. a few weeks later he was the darling of the sidelines :greengrin. sign the man, we will need his sort come the end of the seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Vini1875
only two sellick players i'd like, Henderson and Dembele, the latter won't happen, maybe a cheeky wee loan for the former might
Commons that played for Celtic...absolutely yes no brainer....Commons that was out for Celtic 1 months...yes....Commons who has been out for 9 months and needs to hit the ground running, gelling with players straight away, having a massive impact (because that is the reality we need) in a brutal league that can be very physical.....no chance.
Chris Commons the Celtic player is a massive class above Hibs and the reason we can potentially get him is he is Chris Commons that may or may not be finished.....overall is that a gamble we can take. Maybe Neil knows...hope its the right decision because we as fans are living at the wrong end (league wise) of a lot these decisions
Sorry it's a no from me, been out of the game for too long. Will take about 6-8 weeks to get him match fit, funds required for his wages would be better spent on a younger player. Good player in his time but for me his best days are behind him
Ahem,....... Sparky?Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
There are far more than 2 Celtic players that we would like. Let's be brutally honest here and not kid ourselves on. We'd bite their hands off for the majority of the squad they have!Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Agreed. We wouldn't be getting the Commons of 2 seasons ago. We'd be getting a fat, old guy who hasn't played football in a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibee Mac
I think Kieran Tierney and Scott Sinclair would also marginally improve our first team. Maybe Griffiths and Patrick Roberts as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
So much crap being spouted right about Lennon, his personality and his signings right now I just don't know where this fits in.
Probably at the lower end but it least it's merited comment, unlike the other crap.
He would take too long to get match fit. Look how long it took Stokes and he is about 5 years younger and not as fat.
There's hope for me yet!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
Absolutely. He's probably still got another couple of years in the tank and class of his magnitude doesn't fade quickly. We need a goal threat from outside the box/in midfield and he is our man.
Agree the goal threat he would provide from shooting and set piece would be huge. Hopefully is fit though as he hasnt always looked the fittest athletically.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Spaceman
not sure!
I am not really a fan of taking players right at the end of their career for three reasons a) they are past their prime b) they, in the past have often been on big money and may just be going through the motions c) there can be issues with the dressing room with ex stars. It might be expedient to sign him and clearly Holt is not cutting in and Keattings is injured but as a generalisation I think a bad idea. I would much prefer a Henderson who clearly wants to play for the club and is in his prime.
Some blinkered football naivety on this thread. If he came in and made an impact after 9 months of no football then I'd be astonished. Match fitness comes from playing matches and we don't have the luxury of time on our side. So it's a massive nonthanks from me. Money is tight, lets use it sensibly and get someone in who can contribute from the start.
He'd be a risky one, no doubt about it.
Does anyone have any idea what his current fitness is like?
What I would say is that we're in a proper scrap to win this league and a lot of games will come down to fine margins. A player with a deadly set-piece delivery/ a shot from outside the box/ good final ball would be worth their weight in gold in this league, even if it's just coming on for the last 20 minutes in games. Harris has never made an impact off the bench - I'd take any player who could come on and turn a scrappy draw into a scrappy win.
[QUOTE=Superfuddyhibby;4875298]Some blinkered football naivety on this thread. If he came in and made an impact after 9 months of no football then I'd be astonished. Match fitness comes from playing matches and we don't have the luxury of time on our side. So it's a massive nonthanks from me. Money is tight, lets use it sensibly and get someone in who can contribute from the start.[/QUOTE
Spot on :aok: We shouldn't have to be gambling on a maverick signing to get us up, huge gamble and a huge no no.
It took us a Sauzee and Paatelainen and Latapy to get us out of this division last time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Islington Hibs
Even if he is not as mobile as once was, Commons deadball delivery would certainly add something to our attacking armoury. We just need to get promoted this year by winning the league, if Lennon thinks Commons will add something to our team and get us promoted then we should go for it.
Of course it doesnt have to be an impact in terms of 90 mins starting with 30 mins or so will improve our goal threat and be an improvement in terms of quality. If at Celtic he will have been training and probably playing in bounce games and you would hope getting fitter if any inkling of a move in January.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superfuddyhibby
If Neil happy with it would back his decision. A real threat from free kicks would be a big plus also.
If Lennon, his coaches and our fitness staff see him as fit enough and an asset to the team thats good enough for me. If they don't then thats also good enough for me.
A helluva lot of fitness experts on this forum who probably can't run the length of themselves :yawn2::rotflmao:
Yes.
While he might be out of favour at Celtc Park, I'm sure he'd do very well in our division and might just add the cutting edge we sometimes lack.
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Originally Posted by Big_Franck
This is my concern too.
Ideally I'd be looking for someone who can bring energy and natural width to our side. I'd be more enthused by, say, GMS.
That's the trouble. We've signed decent quality players in the past for six months but they end up being classed as duds because it takes them so long to get fit and up to speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
If he is anywhere near ready he would be a brilliant signing though.
This is not a conversation about whether Commons was a good player. It's about whether he is right for us, in 2017, and there is legitimate debate about that given how little football he has played in the past year. Don't be such a bore.Quote:
Originally Posted by scott_b_
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Originally Posted by heretoday
Composure too...biggest thing missing in our offence
I thought we would have been out looking for a left back, and if we were to add a midfielder I would prefer a winger preferably someone with pace and who has an end product.
no
A very good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
This. Because he's not been playing matches people automatically tie that into not going to the gym, not running, lifting weights, and generally have an image of a player who's a slob.Quote:
Originally Posted by scott_b_
In the months leading up to my 1st marathon I wasn't training as hard as I had been and actually stopped my timed runs all together as I thought something had came up that would prevent me attending. Plans changed last minute (literally 2 days before the run) and you know what...I was still able to do it no problem because even though I had a few missed months training gap, the work and experience before hand got me through it.
Kris Commons will have been keeping himself fit to a certain degree no doubt.
I think to be fair Stokes had a couple of injuries which meant he wasnt able to get up to speed as quick as might have done.Quote:
Originally Posted by snooky
A goal scoring midfielder, a sensation at a higher level than we are at, are we in a position to turn our noses up?
No brainer or me!
This myth has grown enough arms and legs. Stokes scored on his debut and the myth that he 'didn't come on to a game until the Cup Final' is over exaggerated keek! Was he perhaps not quite as explosive as some thoughts? Maybe so, however I believe that was down to the massively high expectations some had, not to mention carrying a niggling injury. Even when the guy wasn't scoring he was setting them up and making the keeper work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Stokes was still the best striker at the club from day 1 to the cup final. His touch and movement alone set him apart. Some just couldn't see it and have jumped on this bandwagon that he had a very slow poor start. Maybe it's just me, but I was impressed with Stokes in practically 90% of the matches he played.
How was your time and did other runners who were at your level who did train properly finish ahead of you. Hibs don't need to finish the race we need to win it.Quote:
Originally Posted by California-Hibs
Correct. From about March, stokes played well most weeks. He played a different role than we were used to with him coming deep to collect the ball. He certainly peaked at the cup final but his goals got us past Inverness, and he scored 9 in 25 plus the one Foderingham dropped in.Quote:
Originally Posted by California-Hibs
As for Commons, he has never exactly been a peak athlete. I don't think it would take long for him to get up to where we needed to be to be a big player for us.
I don't get this about Stokes being unfit - he was putting in a power of work and lasting the full 90 mins from pretty much the off. Was he ever subbed looking weary as hell? Pretty sure not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
OK - so it was only really in the final that we saw just how good a free flowing forward he could be but for the rest he was still an important part of the team.
Nah,rather have Henderson or swanson
Both John Dolan and Stokes himself talk about how he wasn't playing at his best in the cup final documentary. They don't consider it a myth.Quote:
Originally Posted by California-Hibs
Seeing as you weren't at most of the games he played for us last season, I don't think you are the best person to judge.
I see your analogy - my time surpassed my expectations. I'm sure those who did train properly finished ahead of me - I did not win the race.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
Kris Commons would surpass those who doubt him's expectations.....in my opinion.
Agree with the Stokes bit, peeps seem to have forgotten, yes he wasn't 100% when he arrived (he hadn't been playing games so that would have been impossible), but when he was reaching 100% he did his back in and was sidelined from training for a few weeks then once more when he was ramping up on training he was hit with that flu bug (took down a few players if I remember).Quote:
Originally Posted by crabis
As for Commons, 6 months or so ago I'd be 100% yes, now, I'm not so sure, although to be fair I've not seen or heard anything at all regarding his current "progress".
[QUOTE=jacomo;4875369]Both John Dolan and Stokes himself talk about how he wasn't playing at his best in the cup final documentary. They don't consider it a myth.
Seeing as you weren't at most of the games he played for us last season, I don't think you are the best person to judge.[/QUOTE]
That's a bit of a cheap shot.
I WAS at most games, nad thought Stokes played well most weeks. He wasn't scoring as many as we expected (and that was what I think Stokes and Doolan were referring to) but his performances were among the best in the team most weeks from March.
The reason commons fitness doesn't concern me is because;
He has never been known for his fitness
He has always appeared slightly overweight
His game does not resolve around running like a mad man
His game has, and always will be his intelligence in and around the box and being able to score goals and set up for others. Something he will still be capabake of.
Although he has not played games recently he will still be training and eating like an athlete 5 times a week. He has not been on a bender since may and hasn't touched a ball since.
Couple of games for match sharpness, even at that I would think he would be fine.
He's a top quality player and would be an unbelievable signing for a championship club, it's complete madness that some don't want him!!!!!
Yes from me.
Yes fro me as well, we cannot IMO afford to turn down a player of his quality whilst we are still in the championship.
Sauzee left Hibs 15 years ago. Are you honestly saying Commons would be a better player than anyone in those intervening years?Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
Murphy,Riordan,Griffiths,Brown,Thomson,McGinn,Whit taker,Fletcher,Sproule,Zoomer...off the top of my head.
I'm not saying he wasn't a great player, but the version we'd be getting is 33, not played for almost 2 years and not exactly mobile.
Commons is head and shoulders, and quite a bit more about Ivan in terms of ability. Yes Sproule was exciting and very effective... but a not a technically great player IMO. Certainly nowhere near Commons, or any of the others that you've mentioned in terms of footballing ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by southfieldhibby
Commons is a yes from me!
Proven winner in Scotland. Yes he was, but you have to remember he was playing for Celtic where winning is routine and expected. The opposition is virtually non existent.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
Partick Thistle's manager is being quoted today as saying Celtic's second string could win the Scottish Premiership such is the gulf in quality.
Unfair on Ivan. Takes a certain degree of skill to score a hattrick at Ibrox, something Commons didn't manage. But I guess my point was we've had plenty players better than commons since Sauzee.Quote:
Originally Posted by HibbyScott
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Originally Posted by california-hibs
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Originally Posted by hibby soldier
Money's the rub innit if you agree as I and others do that Commons would add value.
NL is totally pally with Martin Reilley the agent for Commons.
Reilley will be negotiating with Lawell already I bet on who pays £20K pw till end of Commons contract.
Surely any contribution is good for Celtc.and playing is good for KC.
The hard talking won't be done till end of Jan when Lawell will see if there's any other interest.
I wonder what Hibs bottom line will be?
I'm guessing we'll offer £3K a week at the very last minute and it will all fall through.
If it was up to me I'd say to Lawell and the agent we will pay £5K a week now but will not be repeating this in Jan.
take it or leave it.