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I decided not to post this in the Leadership thread as that contest is all but over. Corbyn will be declared winner by a huge margin.
So what does the future hold for Labour?
What with the exposure of Momentum promised by Channel 4 Dispatches already to be viewed tomorrow night, Panorama will make it a very busy night for those concerned about the future of the Party!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07x0bvx
This obviously belongs in here; too.
One view as to what should happen. A view to which I'm increasingly warming.
http://newpolitics.apps-1and1.net/th...nista-populism
Think you posted that yesterday. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Yes, which is why I said that it actually belonged in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Betty Boop
When you've lost the argument, find fault with the grammar, the spelling or something.
:rolleyes:
The best scenario for me is Corbyn wins and the party get pumped at the next election. Then a critical mass of his followers will accept the need to have what the media/public consider an electable leader and they can start again from there.
Smith winning is a more worrying scenario that will take longer to solve. He would also get pumped at the next election (the fact he considers himself a PM material is hilarious) and then there's a huge call to get Corbyn or someone similar in charge and they're back when they started. And that's if they haven't split by then.
Just my opinion of course, would be interesting to see others views on how they solve this.
I think the Labour Party is finished as a Parliamentary Party, I very much doubt that they will be forming a Government again. Corbyn will win this contest easily and Momentum's grip on the party will see a lot of current Labour Mp's deselected. It can only end with a split, there won't be anything left after the next election to move forward with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holmesdale Hibs
I'd like your analysis to be correct, but I'm 100% certain that Momentum and the rest of the Trots don't care about winning an election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holmesdale Hibs
Corbyn can stay leader for as long as he says the things that his worshipers want to hear. He's always going to be able to blame someone else, be it the MSM, "Blairites" or the PLP.
The new £3 members who aren't Trots or Greens or Tories are relatively wealthy, middle class, born-again lefties and seem to be a combination of folk reliving their radical student days and others making up for missing out on that phase, 30 or 40 years ago!
They're not worried about the Tories being in power for the next decade or more, because they know they'll be well looked after during that time.
They're not on benefits or working for minimum wage or on zero hours contracts. They can afford to protest righteously from their comfortable sidelines.
In the meantime, RIP Labour Party and any real hope for those who need it so desperately and need it now.
The same private production company behind both Dispatches and Panorama programmes last night. The end is nigh, and my popcorn is just about finished.:greengrin
https://t.co/TyPbL0jFdA
This is a great piece all the way from Scandinavia, on how they see Corbyn and his policies.
https://t.co/3qGGVj9LCP
Maybe he should move there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
He's going down like a lead balloon in England. He's already floored in Caledonia.
I probably agree, but there may be hope, although it's the Telegraph so you're clearly obliged to interpret the words as manipulative lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
"The thing is that while for Corbynistas party membership is a lifestyle choice – they don’t want, or need, a Labour government – it is different for union members. The UNISON members who work in the NHS, the UNITE members who drive buses, the low paid workers facing pay cuts as the disastrous and punitive Universal Credit replaces tax credits – they all desperately need a Labour government. That pressure from members will only increase, and eventually it will be responded to – the industrial wing of the labour movement will rescue Labour from itself because it needs a parliamentary wing to effect change."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/jeremy-corbyn-will-keep-on-fighting-but-labour-moderates-wont-gi/
You couldn't make this up
http://www.aol.co.uk/news/2016/09/20...t-an-election/
An excellent piece. Demonstrates the disconnect between what we are told is radical or extreme and the reality. It just isn't possible to have a policy of mixed economy without it being jumped all over by the establishment. Neither it is possible to have any alternatives to the centre-right neo liberal consensus. Behind all the mockery of course, they are scared ****less of Corbyn, which is why the coup has taken place and the Labour Party is now in disarray.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
I think it's evidence that the plotters don't give a monkeys about the Party, but instead of doing the honourable 'set up a SDP' thing they are trying to do damage to it from the inside before they leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonnyboy
The old Labour-Tories duopoly was on borrowed time anyway, but the way things are going I can't see it lasting the year.
I'm hearing that Scottish Labour are to be fully autonomous (think it's the third time this year), although bad news for the Corbynistas, purging of members will not be devolved, they'll only be allowed to advise.
Fully autonomous must mean something different to the NEC.
New popcorn needed.:greengrin
Spot the trot buzzwords😂😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
On a more serious note, note how" centre-left " is never used as a description in Trot statements.
Bammy Trots out lefting each other.
Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.
Scottish Labour might as well pack up and join the SNP.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Unless they're anti Blairism that is.
Most of them have.:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
You might like this.:wink:
Attachment 17473
:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
You really are enjoying yourself these days, Ronnie! :thumbsup:
It's painful to watch the "party of the people" implode like this. Labour are obviously no longer what they once were and although a large section of labour voters would vote for a monkey wearing a red rosette, I feel they aren't really going to be relevant any time in the immediate future. For politics to work well you need strong opposition as well as strong leadership and I don't really see either of those in Westminster at the current time.
I personally don't see what all the fuss is about Corbyn, it's not that he's too radically left, it's that British politics has shifted so much to the right that he's being portrayed the way he is. May we live in interesting times.........
His problem is that he hasn't come out of nowhere: he's spent 30 years being noteworthy for voting against his own party and supporting Marxists, Irish republicans, radical Islamists, etc. His by now not-especially-radical domestic policies will never get a fair hearing because he's been tagged with the label of extremist.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Exile
All of which will go up on Tory adverts and billboards at the next election.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Add all that to the fact that he's a pretty rotten leader.
I was recently spending time with my family in the south of England and there is real dislike of Corbyn, and these are folk who voted for Tony Blair at 3 elections. Up here Corbyn is seen as mildly interesting but really not very relevant to politics in Scotland. In England, especially in the in the swing seats Labour has to win to get elected he's seen as too left wing, too London and too old. Theresa May is seen as the 'sensible choice'.
Was all very disheartening to hear.
The Branch office leader has failed to active her button:greengrin Oops indeed.
Attachment 17476
Britain Elects (@britainelects) tweeted at 9:15 p.m. on Sun, Sep 25, 2016:
Scottish Westminster voting intention:
SNP: 50%
CON: 21%
LAB: 16%
LDEM: 5%
GRN: 4%
UKIP: 4%
(via Panelbase)
Anybody on here live near or in the Braes area of Falkirk?
The upcoming elections in the area seem to be hitting the headlines. Labour to stand aside for their Tory pals.
https://t.co/0DwyE6YU6L
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Originally Posted by ronaldo7
If that's true you will be delighted. Labour knackered out of the way so that you can see off the Tories. All those Labour voters will surely vote SNP won't they?
Mainly rural area south of Falkirk, includes the villages of Slammanan, Avonbridge, Shieldhill, California, Brightons and Maddiston. some affluent areas. so there may be some tories to be found, but not sure there would be enough, including Labour turncoats, to dislodge an SNP candidate.
That's a NO from you then, as always.:na na:Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
One branch does not decide how many candidates are put up. It's taken at council wide form level. That's not to say in some multi member wards that tactical decisions on the number candidates won't be taken. In my own ward at present it's 2 labour and 2 nats. We are fielding 2 candidates but I suspect the nats will try for 3 but it will split their vote with STV system we have which could give us a second seat or Tories one.
[QUOTE=One Day Soon;4954611]If that's true you will be delighted. Labour knackered out of the way so that you can see off the Tories. All those Labour voters will surely vote SNP won't they?[/QUOTE]
It seems Sadiq Khan is doing a grand job pushing them our way.
[QUOTE=ronaldo7;4957441]Would be interesting if the SNP stood down here - pro brexit, maybe abolishing the House of Lords and replacing it with a UK federal govenment with the Hof C being the English Assembly. Wouldn't win but it would shift the agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
[QUOTE=ronaldo7;4957441]Calamitously ill-informed intervention by him today. If he's pitching to be a future Labour leader and claw back some voters from the SNP, then today he has gone the wrong way about it. Die hard unionists and lifelong Labourites might like to pretend Scottish independence is about nativism, but middle of the road no voters and the vast majority of Yes voters know it's complete nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
[QUOTE=steakbake;4958425]:agree: It seems it's ok for others though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/367580589307617280
It hasn't been his day really has it? :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
[QUOTE=ronaldo7;4958509]Well of course, that's why you get those most curious of specimens in the east end of Glasgow: west coast Labourites who are very much pro Ireland yet when it comes to their home country, it's some kind of terrible thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by steakbake
George Galloway types: all for self determination for pretty much any peoples of the world except where it comes to their own doorstep.
[QUOTE=steakbake;4958686]Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
We have self-determination. We just determined what we think. Could Nicola get on with trying to run the country now for a while at least?
https://twitter.com/LabourEoin/statu...13437901008898 :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Even when handed gifts like todays U-turn on NI Corbyn completely fluffs any chance to make some ground on the Tories.
Doesn't even use all his questions when has a massive opportunity to hammer May.
Utterly depressing to be governed by this mob who can basically do what they want unless their own MPs stop her.
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
Relentlessly incompetant.
The government is a shambles, with a working majority of only 17 and one of the weakest front benches I've ever known, yet Corbyn can't land a single blow.
He goes from gaff to gaff, but refuses to bugger off and let someone capable take the reins.
As you say, it's utterly depressing.
Was all for him to start. Now come to realise that England (therefore the U.K.) has shifted right that people like Corbyn just are not even at the races anymore. He's a dinosaur and if we want a semi decent opposition then he must go.
The PLP is at the mercy of its membership, which is not in sync with the wider England.
J
"Typical of Corbyn's compassion and sense of decency that, when confronted by someone desperately struggling, he leapt to her aid . . ."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...eless-thought/
Not a fan of the SNP but they are the only party holding the government tonaccount at the moment. They ARE the opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Maybe it shows the extent to which Labour really needed the "Tartan Mafia" of the Blair years!
There is none...
(haven't read the thread)!
:wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonnyboy
A classic case of 'the operation was a success but the patient died'.
The Labour Party all but abandoned their core voters in Scotland (and in England for that matter). The Scots have opted for Hobson's choice. Nick Clegg's treacherous act of jumping into bed with the Tories killed off any chance the Lib/dems ever had of picking up disillusioned Labourites in 'Scotlandshire'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
This New Statesman article informs us that Labour's poll ratings have always dropped from this stage of a parliament and that if history is repeated again, Labour may win as few as 150 seats.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...-lot-lot-worse
The future of the Labour Party
:tumble:
Former Scottish Labour candidate moves to the SNP:greengrin
https://t.co/y75XxuYpXn
I thought you didn't like "Red Tories".Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
All together now, sing, "Oh, Jamie Kerr, you used to be a Blairite, but you're alright now". :greengrin
The initiation ceremony will wash it all off. Especially the steam clean, and bleach mix. The de-brief will be a bit boring though, as they've not done much recently.:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
A tattoo of our "Dear Leader" (this one just for the other team), and he's ready to go.:greengrin
Red Tories is so last season. They're now the Anti European party.:wink:
Piece from twitter.
Events have moved so fast that our vocabulary hasn't quite caught up with them, and it's high time we updated the way we characterise certain political parties. *Scottish Labour, for example, should now quite properly be called an anti-European party - not in the sense of hating Germans or Italians, but in the more prosaic sense that they oppose our participation in European institutions. *There is no Labour proposal to reverse Brexit, and of course they dogmatically reject the only option that could keep Scotland in the EU after Brexit occurs. *They've gone all the way back to a position they last held in the 'longest suicide note in history' - their 1983 general election manifesto under Michael Foot. *They are separatists. *They want to build walls. *They think that what divides us from our European neighbours (ie. devotion to Blighty at all costs) is more important than what unites us.
It's spot on, as long as Corbyn is leader.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
The pro-europeans in the LP have no voice.
Here's an unanswerable case for Corbyn to go immediately from the Editor of the 'New Statesman'. There's a brilliant cinematic reference to a scene in 'LA Confidential', which goes someway towards providing an explanation as to why the Corbynistas fail to see what is blindingly obvious to the vast majority of the citizens of the electorate!
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...w-overwhelming
Good article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
I would tale issue with the comment at the start about who will speak for liberal Britain. I dont think the left is liberal, although i suppose it depends on your definitions.
Was thinking about this the othet day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
If (a big if, i realise) at the next election a party, say the lib dems, stood on a 'pro-EU' stance (leaving aside the detail of that), how would they do.
Should Labour be taking that view, as a major policy to try and get it back in the game (it prob needs to do somethong big?)
Also, what do thr labourites think is the reason for Corbyn's ambivalence to Europe?
I'll stand by what i've said before. Corbyn himself is not the problem with the Labour Party. It's not Corbyns policies that are causing Labour to lose support, it is the constant internal party divisions being stirred up by the right wing of the Labour Party who would much rather the Conservatives won the next election, than Labour with Corbyn as leader.
It's so painstakingly obvious that those not getting it are choosing not to get it.
I blame trotsky!Quote:
Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs
Well that's how things are at the moment. Not to say that a charismatic leader won't come along and galvanise Labour in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
I certainly don't think it's a reason to cut and run for independence.
The strong showing from Emmanuel Macron in trhe French elections might show the way to a left leaning candidate with broader appeal than the current narrow, if well meaning, clique.Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
I don't understand the Macron thing. He was polling high before he'd even hinted at any policy. He was part of the PS (French labour equivalent) government, but chose to set out on his own for the presidential election. He's standing against Benoît Hamon, the PS candidate and has been endorsed by a few PS big hitters, meaning that Hamon has no chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
Macron makes out that he's the people's candidate but that's bull. He's centrist at best (definitely not left), his background is strange (it's suspected that he's lied about his education but he's the MSM's darling so that's been played down). His rock chick geriatric wife is upper management with LVMH and I don't think he has any idea of the everyday life of the ordinary voter.
You are 100% wrong on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs
The Corbynistas don't care that Labour is unelectable under Corbyn. They think that the moderates in the party are no better than the Tories, so "we might as well have the real ones ".
All the polls give Corbyn the lowest ever personal approval rating, and Labour supporters themselves think May would make a better PM.
Regardless of his history or his views, which are despised by the vast majority of the electorate, he just makes gaff after gaff. He is relentlessly incompetent.
No amount of unity could get that duffer elected.
Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
It's a point I've made before. I often find those on the left who are most firm and preaching in their beliefs are the furthest removed from the mindset of those they claim to be speaking for.
It's a real issue. And a crime that Labour cannot mount even a reasonable opposition at the time when the Torys lurch from crisis to crisis in Westminster chambers, the Westminster regulatory authorities and the law courts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
...and the first to call Blair for betraying the party when he was more in tune with their aspirations than they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Agree with this - rhe whole Blair thing was madness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
But highlights the left (or elements of it) for what they are - textbook intellectuals that prize ideological purity over reality.
I also think many on the left prefer to preach from the sidelines because then they cant be proved wrong, amd they dont have to make the tough choices.
They should split, the sensible wing should form a new party with the libs, maybe even attract a few of the centre ground tories, amd leave the loonies to eternally preach on high streets on saturday mornings.
Unfortunately, that would leave the entire infrastructure, estate and financial assets in their hands which is exactly what a lot of them would like.Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy
Remember the high esteem in which John McDonnell holds the Labour Party . . .
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...bership-tactic
Len McCluskey on Tuesday morning after the launch of the Labour Party manifesto (and having attended the meeting where the proposals were agreed):
"I don't see Labour winning," and adding that retaining 200 seats (a loss of 30) would represent "a successful campaign".
Cut to this morning and Len says: "I'm now full of optimism that Labour can win".
Did he get a knock on the head during that tumble he took down the steps last week?
Yeah, that would be difficult and i dont underestimate the emotional pull of labour and its history etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
I just dont see the alternative, especially if Corbyn suvives this election.
Blair and some of his chums could help with funding amd donations surely?
Plus, are they not quite indebted?
Former shadow minister Angela Smith said: “It is quite clear from the comments he is broadly following an entryist Trotskyist agenda which is incompatible with Labour values.”Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy
Is it?
Im no socialist, and so my opinion probably isnt worth as much as others on here, but as a student amd observer of politics, i would say Labour values, while always being socialist in the broadest, most general sense of the word, are to be a party that has evolved with the society it wants to represent.Quote:
Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs
Mass socialism of the early part of the 20th century is dead in the west, and for good reason. Trotsky was very much a part of one of the main reasons why.
Labour evolved with society, and embraced a social democracy under New Labour that was both popular and successful. Was it socialism? Absolutely not. Because socialism as people lile Corbyn et al imagine it, is dead.
Those clinging on to its corpse and trying to revive it are like religious types harking back to a bygone age of piety. And it is ironic, that these so called progressives are actually the most regressive force in modern British politics.
So no, i dont believe that trotskyism, whatever theoretical split hair branch of socialist theory that represents, is anymore part of the modern labour party, or more importantly the future labour party, than mass industrialised workers or general strikes.
The manifesto from Labour reflects the Labour Party that I always wanted except replacing trident and as such it reflective of Labour values
So you agree with many of the SNPs policies then, except from the constitutional debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
To get into power Labour needs broad appeal.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
Can we not turn this thread into another discussion about the SNP - there are other threads for thatQuote:
Originally Posted by pacoluna
Agree - realistically, it needs to be winning over non traditional, non-core voters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
You work for the Tories dont you?Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy
I don't see many of the SNP policies in the document but as I've said before the constitution is not the be all and end all for me. If the economic argument was decent and questions around currency, defence, employment law and anti trade union laws were answered I'd consider a Yes vote in any future referendum. But I would never vote Tory over SNP under any circumstancesQuote:
Originally Posted by pacoluna
The big problem with trying to gauge the appeal of these policies is they are being presented by a party that has redefined the word shambolic and a leader universally acknowledged as hopeless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
If Labour had a charismatic individual with genuine leadership qualities, no backstory of several decades of generally awkward student style politics and a united, well organised party behind them, then we might be able to judge if the electorate could be persuaded to vote for fairly moderate socialism.
This Labour party and leadership could have the best policy programme possible: almost nobody thinks they'd make even a halfway decent stab at implementing it. And nobody thinks they're suitable to be entrusted with all the incoming events they'd have to deal with running a country.
This is pretty tragic as heavy defeat is inevitable and when they get that nailed on humping, they will be consigning all these policies to the dustbin alongside them. Any babies will be well and truly gone with the bathwater. Cheerio to any hope of even a moderately left agenda in the UK for decades to come.
Scottish Labour look to be doomed. Kezia Dugdale has absolutely no chance of winning.
As for Labour in England, if Chuka Umunna takes over as leader I think they have a real chance of challenging the Conservatives in 5 years time but if the far left of the party elect another socialist leader they will have no chance of beating May.
New Labour needs to be resurrected in England for them to have a chance of winning.
New Labour is dead and Labour has returned to its roots. It's time Blairites accepted that their time has gone. Politics should be about policies not personalities. I expect Kez to lead SLP into the next Scottish electionQuote:
Originally Posted by Stranraer
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
In the last 2 or 3 years Labour have condemned themselves to a generation in opposition and the country to Tory rule.
I've always believed that a party should stick to their core values and try and influence the views of the electorate to see things their way, rather than changing their own principles to fit that of the electorate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
If every party changed their principles to fit that of the electorate, we'd be as well just having a one party state with no opposition.
Kind of like the Tory party are doing, and New Labour did before that and Thatcher before that. You can't do anything but protest from opposition. In fact Corbyn did nothing but protest when he was in government!Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy
How patronising!Quote:
Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs
Good response, you really addressed the point I was making. Or perhaps you know yourself that what I say is true, don't want to admit it and have no way of addressing it because you know that it's true?Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
It's certainly true that you believe it but that's not to say what you believe is true..Quote:
Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs
The Labour Party has always been an evolving entity. The party of Bevan was a very different one from that of Attlee which in turn differed from that of Benn and Foot and so on. New Labour was just another stage in that morphosis.Quote:
Originally Posted by High-On-Hibs
The constant pining for 'core values' is tiresome. Labour, or any party, changes over time. The Conservative manifesto released this week had phrases in it that would have had Thatcher scratching her head for example. To be relevant a party has to adapt to the society it lives in, the SNP have done so with great success in recent years and a part of that has been shifting their social and economic stance dramatically.
Corbyn, Abott, McDonnell et al are stuck in a time warp and their performance is reflective of that.
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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Far too sensible a post.
You criticise the performance of Labour but what about May, Hammond and Fallon or Rudd? They refuse to meet people or even do interviews with Sky news. They've just produced an uncosted manifesto but the MSM have ignored that. Labours manifesto offers real change regardless of the personalities involvedQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I've criticised every single one of those listed across the forum. This thread is specifically about Labour hence my target within it.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
I'd happily tear apart almost everyone at the forefront of all the major parties currently. There is a complete talent vacuum at Westminster.
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I think that makes it all the more galling that the Tories aren't up to much but Labour can barely lay a glove on them. Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbott together with the names you mention has to be the most uninspiring bunch of senior politicians ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
Unfortunately, it shows where we are just now. If Labour had a more personable leader, with that manifesto and campaign, they'd be destroying the Tories.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
Which makes even less sense for Corbin to pass up the leader debate. The media are horrifically right wing at present and he had watching millions as a platform yet choose not to go on. If he was serious he would have been on there highlighting May not being present. Incredible own goal IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
I'm not convinced by all of the manifesto but you're defininately right that this Tory party are there for the taking. As a well known Labour figure said recently, Labour can win if it wants to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Grieves
Labour now up to 39% in England if Scotland comes onboard polls would level. Clearly the positive message is getting through. Corbyn could pull off yet another stunning victory
It would certainly be stunning!Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
Still cant see it though, but then we all thought the same about trump!
The last seats predictions based on polling that had Labour on 34% had them taking between 177 and 190 seats. Even allowing for a comeback to rival Lazarus in Scotland that would leave just a bit of a deficit.
Source?Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
Not sure what relevance Scotland has. The way Scotland votes very rarely has an impact on who wins an election.