Nice to see John Collins in the stand at the Pennypit today taking in Hibs U19's 4-1 victory. Mind you, he looked a wee bit taken aback when wee Mick Mcghee asked if he could go hame wi him for his tea!!! :greengrin
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Nice to see John Collins in the stand at the Pennypit today taking in Hibs U19's 4-1 victory. Mind you, he looked a wee bit taken aback when wee Mick Mcghee asked if he could go hame wi him for his tea!!! :greengrin
Wish he was our manager now:boo hoo:
Just up the road from his house at Craigielaw, so what could be better than a visit to the Pans to see the Hibs?:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Boris
:hilariousQuote:
Originally Posted by Boris
Quality :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I hoped that he would have stayed longer at Hibs as a manager. That is now history and John Hughes deserves his chance for a bit longer:wink: John we need a new CH, attacking mid field player and a GK:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Frank
Gerard
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Originally Posted by Boris
I'd have been more taken aback if Mick hudnae asked him :greengrin
very good and clever manager.
I'd love to see him come back. It must have been frustrating for him. if it is true that he left due to very strict budget constraints at a time when we sold our best talent for lots of money, i can understand his frustrations. especially when you consider he delivered a cup and helped drive up the fees for brown and thomson by being so stubborn with the old firm.
It's ironic when you think mixu and yogi have had comparatively large budgets and delivered poor football, reducing crowds and very little to be optomistic about!
Bring back jc!
:top marks Couldn't agree more I think JC is a great manager, and had a lot to offer usQuote:
Originally Posted by sixtwo
JC seemed to get his tactics right, and knew what he wanted from his players, BUT, he didnt seem to have an eye for a player. It seems to be that if we could have Mixu/Yogi as the player spotter, and JC as the coach/tactician, we would be on to a winner :wink:
Just so long as he's not allowed to sign players!Quote:
Originally Posted by sixtwo
He was rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by greg_hibee
First cup win in 16 years, more than mowbary etc. done, so that comment is ridiculous:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by sahib
Collins was NOT better than Mowbray overall. You reckon Mowbary would not have gone onto win that tournament? I seem to remember us doing our best to get punted out by a first division team in the semi final in an utterly appalling performance too.Quote:
Originally Posted by greg_hibee
Mowbray did more for Hibs than Collins was ever likely to.
Yogi was there too I hear. Anyone see if the two of them were chatting to eachother?
He had the potential to be a great Hibernian Manager but his ego would not allow him to be seen as a failure in his first Managerial appointment.
It's a pity he'd been out of the game for so long prior to his appointment which is possibly why he made so many poor signings.
But oh how I wish he was still there.
Makalamby and Alan O'Brien, Kevin McCann at centre half, enough said.
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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
hughes made any ***** signings blackpool?
At the very least, the players under jc were fit:grr::grr::grr:
hughes team dont seem to be able to pass 5 yards!!!!!
Come back to Easter Road!
I never said he was:confused:? I was pointing out to say that someone who won us our first cup in 16 years 'rubbish' is IMO daft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
Collins made a lot of bad signings! O'Brien, Maka, Donaldson, Curier, Kerr and Morais to name a few :bitchy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Frank
The players were fit under Collins but they also were unhappy resulting in a mutiny that was damaging to the club. Collins might have talked a good game but in the end when players moved on he didn't replace them with quality and our form dipped. His tactics were constantly changing and nearly always made subs in the first half or at half time.
JC did win a cup and was a great player for us but I think the current opinion of Hughes is causing people to look back with rose-tinted glasses at the Collins era.
I'd taKe him back at ER especially if we inist on playing the long ball, wouldn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Green Mikey
Maka did have his moments and, while I agree he was pretty gash, I still think there's a decent keeper in there somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Green Mikey
MAC's also gone on to score a god few goals in a team where he gets less service than he did at ER. I'm not saying that he'd displace Ant and Deek but i think he'd be a better option than Nish as he can play wide too when Zemamma's injured (so he'd get a game more often than not).
But yes, the others really were amongst the worst signings i've seen at ER in a long time.
And you forgot Jonny fae leith.:greengrin
:agree: spot onQuote:
Originally Posted by Green Mikey
These so-called duds were good enough to play Rangers off the park and win at Ibrox.
JC was the right guy for the job and did a lot of good. He helped modernise the plans for East Mains, the team were the fittest I've ever seen at Hibs and tactically well organised. Contrary to popular belief, his man-management skills can't be totally derided because many of the players loved working for him.
The only problem he had was the signings. I think if he had a second shot at it, on an increased budget he'd learn from his mistakes. After all, it was his first job.
I hope history is kind to him because he won the League Cup in style and gave me some great moments during his all-too-brief reign.
He help us win a cup so we are grateful for that. But I cant beleive people want him back. How many on here have said we need an expreinced manager? not someone who is drive by idealoigy in same way Hughes is. JC is gone but not forgotten
Tactically well organised? We changed tactics nearly every game under Collins and sometimes during the game usually with early subs. JC is the only manager I have ever known to make so many early subs. He had a second shot at management at Charleroi and wasn't a success there either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perspective
JC had a similar budget to Mixu and Hughes, but he chose to spend it on players like Maka and O'Brien who were just not good enough. Managers have to work within the limits of their budget, IMO this is a huge part of a managers job. Collins was greatly lacking in this aspect of management.
Thought JC was a pretty crap manager for us.
He totally has the right footballing ideas though, I reckon he'd make a superb Youth Coach, instilling the proper mentality into the young players regarding diet, behaviour and also how to play football by being comfortable on the ball.
The style of football he wanted us to play, you cant just get seasoned pro's to start doing it if they've never played like that before in their life, its something that they have to be brought up to do from a young age. I remember listening to JC on the tv, he was saying in Scotland we have to change our mentality, get young players comfortable on the ball, get them knocking it about etc. I would seriously consider putting JC in charge of Youth operations at ER, i know that probably wouldnt happen but the SFA could do worse than get him on board!
Still a crap manager tho!
Whilst I can see where you are coming from all I can say is 'CIS Cup' :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
:agree: I think that is where JC's strengths lie - he would make a superb Academy Director.Quote:
Originally Posted by sambajustice
Another of his mistakes as manager was appointing Craig as his assistant. He may have developed better as a manager, IMO, with a different character altogether beside him (maybe an older manager who had been over the course).
how did he fail there? he kept them up and left at the end of the season after it looked like they were going down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Green Mikey
This is what Hughues is doing now, trying to get the likes of Hogg, Rankin and Nish playing as if theyQuote:
Originally Posted by sambajustice
are Puyol, Innestia and Torres. The slow passing game from the back does not suit the players we have,
I can see it, everyone else can see it so how come Hughes cannot?
I didn't say he failed:greengrin I said he wasn't a success:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergus
He didn't really achieve much at Charleroi, it might not have been an abject failure but he very little of note when he was manager.
Colins had but a fraction of the cash made available to Yogi or Mixu. So you have to look at what he was allowed to spend, to what type of player we actually got. IMHO JC would have this squad playing much better than Yogi does.
JC would argue the point that he didn't have an eye for a player. The reason he gave for leaving is that RP never signed his first or second choice players and he was often left with his 3rd, 4th and even 5th choice recruits. RP apparently gets his managers to list his preferences for a position in order 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
Yes, very good, but I already covered that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandy
On the money with all of that... :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by sambajustice
Hardly.Quote:
Originally Posted by erskine-hibby
£200-250k *EACH* for Maka and Alan O'Brien...
Credit where its due - he brought in some absolute huddies!
Collins' 1st chocie signings were players like Robson and Naismith who moved for big fees and wages to the OF. He was mad to expect Hibs to pay that sort of money for players.Quote:
Originally Posted by ahibby
Managers have to work within the budget they are given, JC couldn't do this and signed some really poor players.
When he sign Therrie Gattusi, that was the only name he presented to Rod. Out of all the players in our price range he came up with HKF.Quote:
Originally Posted by ahibby
I can't believe how selective some folks memories are! Collins won the Cup, but his overall record was poor and his signings were shocking.
He might still do a decent job for someone in the future, but he made too many mistakes with us - frankly nobody should walk into the Hibs job without having at least done a couple of years managing a smaller club or coaching at a bigger club.
It didn't help that he employed Tommy Craig, who had a shocking reocrd before he came to Hibs but Collins seemed to be oblivious to this.
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Originally Posted by johnbc70
Even if Hughes CAN see it, he has insisted on several occasions that he wont change his principles, whetever they are (to pass until you lose the ball?)
As a proportion of the money brought in through player sales under JC's tenure, this was but a tiny fraction. So I don't think he got a fair crack at the whip in that regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs On Tour
However, when you see the players he actually spent money on ..... :bitchy:
... and many of the free transfers he recruited as well .... :bitchy:
... spotting a player was clearly not his forte (nor Tommy Craig's for that matter).
A good summary. I would add that his man-management skills were deficient, if there is any truth in the stories about player revolts. The key to JC's future will be whether he's learned from his mistakes at Hibs. Most people get better at jobs with experience (those who don't are the ones who're too stupid to develop). He showed traits which indicate to me that he could become very successful. IMO he was appointed as Hibs manager too early in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by sesoim
He was signed to keep them up - which he did. That's all I was saying: he did what he was asked to do = success. Collins took them from the threat of relegation to 12th out of 18.Quote:
Originally Posted by Green Mikey
Tommy Craig took over as manager half-way through the next season (Nov/Dec 2009) but was sacked after losing 14 and drawing 3 of his 19 league games!
How much of the "Collins era" at Hibs is attributable to Tommy Craig?!
like many its collins poor record in the transfer market that means i wouldnt like to see him back unless he was working with somebody else. i actually think that if he and hughes we working together you could have a decent good cop bad cop style management team, one to dish out the criticism and one to be their buddy when needed, collins in charge of fitness etc, hughes has the eye for a player and talks a good game to get them to the club. collins could do an excellent role in our youth academy but i fear he would deem that as a role beneath his abilities
No he wouldn't, as he is already mentoring young players in this project.Quote:
Originally Posted by ian cruise
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Totally agree. Collins would make for an excellent coach or head of youth academy although I doubt very much he'd consider a position like this at club level for one second.Quote:
Originally Posted by ian cruise
Just keep him away from the cheque book!
Can't really argue with that, though it must also be noted that he was unlucky enough to preside over the dismantling of what was left of a, IMHO, great team with little to replace them with.Quote:
Originally Posted by BEEJ
As said above, he bought *****. Utter dross in fact.
You don't need to compare the money he had to spend with Hughes or Mixu. Compare it with Mowbray.
Mowbray signed a few rips but all in all, he did well on a tighter budget.
Collins: -
An eye for a player - Scratch
Man management - Scratch
The bottle to follow a job through - Scratch
The ability to talk a good game without following it through with actions - Tick.
No thanks.
Hmmm....I hear all this ***** about what Mowbray "would have" done.....he had long enough to do it with more cash did he no? He won nothing. His teams would not have got past aberdeen.
Tony didny need to deal with backstabbing players and transfer requests either....and he still won **** all. Jc did tho!
Id take collins over hughes and id take him over mowbray anaw.
Yes he was ***** at signing players. IIRC tony (he who turned his back on the fans and done that ****ing celtc huddle) also signed zibby long term....and played konte ahead of deek! Brilliant!
JC won the cup and had hibs fitter with more balls than anyone else in years. Fact. He did have a big ego but he did know the score and moreover, loved/LOVES the hibs.
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Compare with Mowbray? Ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by rainman
Trophies: Mowbray 0 - Collins 1.