...has been become a more tired cliche then any so-called example of PC and is only deployed by right-wing bores and/or thickos who absorb tabloid prejudices and spew them out verbatim.
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...has been become a more tired cliche then any so-called example of PC and is only deployed by right-wing bores and/or thickos who absorb tabloid prejudices and spew them out verbatim.
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Not yet, whilst it is still baa baa rainbow sheep, PC has gone madQuote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
And by those who are intolerant of individuals who actually do have an opinion borne not just from what is and isn't pc :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
e.g. I rarely find jokes involving Gary Glitter or Michael Jackson funny :no way: But try telling people that and I'm met with "this is pc gone mad" thrown at me.
Why can't I be permitted to find certain "jokes" offensive without being accused of "jumping on a pc bandwagon"???? :grr:
I'm someone who does believe in the "PC gone mad" statement but I would certainly not find many Gary Glitter or Michael Jackson jokes, funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibby D
I think you can apply the "PC gone mad" statement when people get on the back of others who constructively criticise something. People should be allowed to air an opinion on anything they want, so long as they're not being offensive for offensiveness' sake. On some issues, people are walking on eggshells because they get a whole load of grief for stating their valid opinions.
This can't be right, Di as you have not joined the 'PC Brigade' as yet. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibby D
Happy Christmas BB - how is Canada? :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by stu in nottingham
There's no "brigade" could get me in it's clutches Stu :greengrin
http://www.hibs.net/message/showpost...0&postcount=21
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And to you sis. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibby D
Climate cold - welcome extremely warm, as always!
Snow, rain, fog, snow, snow, snow. Frozen sidewalks that you can barely stand up on... Food. drink. More food drink. Hockey, hockey, hockey.
If you ever identify that brigade's uniform I'd like informing please. :wink:
So what did you all think of the 'Larry Kingston is a look looky man' chant?
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No need for discussion. You've nailed it in one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
Right there is what's wrong with the whole subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by sadtom
As HibbyD says, why can't people have differing opinions without being pigeon holed into a journalist formed bandwagon?
From subjects mentioned on this thread, yes ba ba rainbow sheep is "PC gone mad". Being offended by inappropriate jokes or distasteful subjects has nothing to do with political correctness. It is about differing opinions and nothing more.
I don't find Michael Jackson jokes offensive but I'll only laugh if it's actually funny.
Hang the PC Brigade :agree::greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibby D
I'm sure this is an urban myth, originating in the Express or Mail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antwerphibs
For anyone unsure of ridiculous PC brigade moments....
"Banning video games, claiming they are the devil and are possessing the children"
"Nativity plays cancelled in schools in case it offends other religions"
"Teacher getting lynched for having the balls to stand up to rebelious neds"
"Christmas cards banned in school because it's a waste of paper"
"Santa visits cancelled" (see Nativity play for reason)
Political correctness gone waaaaaay wrong
I was thinking that too. I haven't heard any teachers or anything mention thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
Sorry, not saying these haven't happened, it's just that a lot of these stories just aren't true, and not questioning the source means that the myths continue. Can you tell me where these things happened, or are they just stories you've heard?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramo
Video Games = Australia banned several gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
Santa = Shopping centre down south
Xmas Cards = up north at a school
Nativity plays was also down south
All reported in the press and one or two of them on the BBC news online :agree:
Fair dos. It's just that I've found that certain papers have been guilty of making some things up. I don't doubt there are people mad, and extreme enough, to go to the extent you have suggested. I don't see them as PC as such though, more fundamentalists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramo
I'm sure I've asked you this before Gramo but which schools cancelled nativity plays because they offended other religions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramo
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Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
this is true, my little cousin is at nursery in ashgyll i think, and they have too sing that!
Rediculous:bitchy:
are we nto allowed too say black anymore? what do we say? dark shaded? that sounds more offensive if you ask me!
AND, since when does bah bah black SHEEP<<< mean anything about racism? OR have anything too do with black people at all?!
rant over...
Only Nativity play I was aware that got cancelled was the Muirhouse one.....they couldn't find 3 wise men & a virgin :duck:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramo
I'll get my coat :wink:
Racist post IMO. :grr:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
No wonder you dropped English.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean.
And it's "heavily tanned" :wink:
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
well it was too concentrate on my art work,
but its rather annoying, i have too ask for the heavily tanned pencil nowadays...
Get back TO work thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Sean.
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
ill do it in a minute
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I'm sure a council down south banned the saying 'brainstorming' for fear people with mental illness would take offence.
It's now 'Thoughtshowers'. WTF
I'd imagine people who are mentally ill really don't give a flying duck if people say brainstorming.
The people who think this sht up are the ones with the problems!
Charlie Brooker made a really interesting point on Screenwipe the other night when he said that the rise of internet and mobile news means that newspapers face redundancy - news is immediate. Even though I'm not exactly technologically minded myself, I can find the BBC Sports pages on my mobile phone and look at scores etc and occasionally read the headlines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
He suggests that the effect on newspapers was at a recent point, to divert from providing "news" to providing opinion, scandal and commentary on a level which generally wouldn't be found in any serious news content online.
"Political Correctness Gone Mad" is one of those sorts of phrases used in newspapers (I'd imagine the Daily Mail was the first to use it - or at least I hope they were). It's just a right-wing reactionary's mantra to their confusion in the world.
You just couldn't make it up.... (is one of the other such mantras).
I'm allergic to washing, and I take great offence to that. Where do I complain?Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody1985
This is seriously bad news for Celtic FC... :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody1985
Personally I don't find 'thoughtshowers' any more inane than 'brainstorming'. They're both a bit silly when you think about it.
I'm not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Austin
Does anyone else get the feeling that the young, single, white, hetrosexual male is the biggest 'minority' on the planet?
Anyone can say what the F they like about that particular group and no one is outraged. Why is it deemed more acceptable to take the pss out of large groups of people?
I think the likes of the BNP do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody1985
The truth is if you're white, male, able-bodied, your life chances are better than if you aren't.
They shouldn't be reasons to automatically be granted a better life though.
No, no I don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody1985
Care to give an example of people saying 'what the F they like' about them/(me)?
I think this is something which has been twisted tbh. My understanding is that the kids can sing any colour of sheep they want. It's meant to encourage their awareness of colours and allow them to use their imagination in a spontaneous way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean.
Fair point. Never thought of it like that before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye...
Personally I don't care if people take the pss I'm just up for a laugh.
Did anyone watch 52 questions about Political Uncorrectness last night? There were clips of shows from the 60s and 70s, Love Thy Neighbour, Alf Garnett, The Black and White Minstrels, plus Jim Davidson (never realised he was such a racist). I couldn't believe what passed as humour, vile racism! :bitchy: Thank goodness we have moved on a bit in our Society, although I still think some hold these entrenched views. Maybe its a generational thing?:confused:
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Originally Posted by Betty Boop
You mean all of us wrinklies are Kloset Kluckers? :cool2:
It could also be a political correctness thing as the OP suggests. Alf Garnet wasn't racist - it was taking the p*ss out of racism. Fair enough Jim Davidson was vile but not the Black and White Minstrels - they were just weird and of their time. I don't see how it can be argued that we are any better nowadays - given that Davidson is still on telly plus a few more like him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Betty Boop
Of course not :greengrin, what I meant was that nowadays words such as coon, wog, sambo etc are not heard on television.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doddie
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Originally Posted by Doddie
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Originally Posted by Betty Boop
That's all right then. :devil:
I remember years ago hearing Johnny Speight talking about Alf Garnett and Till Death Us Do Part. He wrote Alf as a caricature of an East-Ender/ West-Ham-supporting racist and was appalled to find that real East-Ender/ West-Ham-supporting racists were making him a hero.
Speight thought he had made Garnett so obnoxious that no one would identify with him; what he had actually done was to portray accurately a real person.
In the 1940s, '50s and '60s, BTW, the West Ham supporters had a jolly song they sang at the Christmas derby with Spurs -
"Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way,
Oh what fun it is to gas the Jews on Christmas Day...."
Spurs have always had a number of Jewish investors and players in their ranks.
And while Jim Davidson, Roy Chubby Brown, Bernard Manning and the like aren't able to peddle their worst material on terrestrial TV, there's a huge market for their DVDs and videos.
But nowadays we should really know better. Anyone that thinks black people find these things acceptable just hasn't been listening.Quote:
Originally Posted by crabit
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Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
BBC couldn't do Garnett now, I don't think. :agree:
Which "black" people are you referring to here, real people or the people you've created in your head while you run around trying to create something which just isnt really going on in Edinburgh. Granted there is genuine racists around but not as much as you wish for, sorry but you'll have to work harder than that to lord it over all those who dont toe this zealous PC currently fashionable lark, what you want to be focusing your attention on is anyone bullying anyone else, which can happen in any form be it racism, physical attributes, numerical superiority or whatever, that is what is wrong, even the last couple of posters here with their insistence on their view being right through their mocking of anyone differing from their views through to their insistence on ALWAYS (and lengthy in doddies case) having the last word but the issue is the same whichever country you go to, wherever you are- bullying is wrong, the people who do it are wrong, as human beings there will be times when any and all of us will say something which will not be appreciated by someone else but there's people nowadays just champing at the bit to find offence in anything. And why? To me it looks like they are trying to paint themselves as some sort of more enlightened, compassionate better individuals, but that sort of attention seeking is better left back in the old schooldays, when everyone was trying to be more mature than anybody else, all you keyboard intellectuals looking for racism in Edinburgh will more likely find it in attitudes against eastern europeans nowadays but that would mean a bit hard work and going difficult places but its easy just to go down the same old route, eh?
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Originally Posted by majorhibs
i take my hat off to you my man ..... :agree: :top marks
Multicultured, multicoloured hat I hope. Wouldnt want to go offending any of these sensitive souls around here..Quote:
Originally Posted by horseman
The phrase in my experience has been hijacked by the shopfloor and pub bigots and racists who if pulled up for some unacceptable comment will drag it out as the their first line of defenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
Im sure if the phrase had been around circa 1935 A. Hitler would have been coming out with something along the lines of "see these Jews its political correctness gone mad" - in German of course.
Actually PC gone mad quite accurately describes posts like yours by people trying to prove how clever they are by looking down on people who have different opinions to them and imo are not quite so far up their own rear ends. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brizo
Whereas it is invariably boring as **** (it's essentially a straw-man fallacy, a distortion) when people come out with the "P.C. gone mad!" shtick, the history of the term is actually absolutely fascinating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brizo
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Originally Posted by majorhibs
I've noticed you are always accusing other people of trying to be 'clever' or 'intellectual' as if this is something to be ashamed of. Can you explain?:confused:
Explain what? I dont consider myself to be particularly clever, just an average joe, but I reckon I dont spend a lot of my time looking down my nose at others with a different viewpoint to mine, which is the feeling I get from a lot of people on this site, you know, the type all too ready to jump in & label people as thickos etc... whether I do it always, to all others, I dont know, but it wouldnt take the proverbial rocket scientist to spot on this thread alone who thinks they are coming from down on high to associate with those not as politically correct as themselves. :cool2:Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I can't say I noticed anyone being like that on this thread. Still, as long as they're not jumping down other posters throats and being argumentative just for the sake of it, I don't really mind:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by majorhibs
I dont look down on people or think im cleverer than anyone else. And tbh I dont know how you came to that conclusion from my post. :confused: I just gave my opinion and if you think its bollocks fair enough but spare the character assasination on someone you dont know.Quote:
Originally Posted by majorhibs
I can assure you my heads not up my rear end but maybe you should wind your neck in :wink:
Read today that Suggs was asked to be a judge in a beauty contest.
Suggs being a man of principle did not agree with beauty contests as he feels that women parading around in swimsuits and being judged on looks alone is not very edifying. He feels it is exploiting women and degrading to all involved.
This is a typical case of Madness gone politically correct.
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Originally Posted by Gramo
Manhunt 2 ws banned, GTA 4 was nearly banned, buit they managed to avoid that one.