Brexit - What Now.

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Originally Posted by CloudSquall

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1187441191761186816


If I was Europe I'd now tell them to shove the extension, what a ****ing joke this has all become.

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What does Corbyn actually bring to the table? The guy's a disgrace.

Why are the Brexiteers government so. Angry at parliment?

The people had there say under half a term ago and yet, here they are demanding they get another say because they didn't get the result they wanted

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Sounds like Labour and SNP are going to say no to an election.


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Good stuff.

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Originally Posted by G B Young

What does Corbyn actually bring to the table? The guy's a disgrace.

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I agree Corbyn is absolutely useless but if Johnson wants an election then he can resign and force it. Both sides at it.


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Originally Posted by G B Young

What does Corbyn actually bring to the table? The guy's a disgrace.

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Why? What else could he have done here? :confused:

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Originally Posted by G B Young

What does Corbyn actually bring to the table? The guy's a disgrace.

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A customs union, workers rights guaranteed, and much more. What did Theresa tell him...GTF

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Originally Posted by Slavers

Sounds like they are running scared. They must know the swamp will be drained after the GE.

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Please.

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Originally Posted by Slavers

Sounds like they are running scared. They must know the swamp will be drained after the GE.

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The swamp will never be drained, your slaver will ensure that it is kept moist. 😉

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Originally Posted by Jack

A Scottish Government spokeswoman said: “We are absolutely committed to a publicly owned and operated NHS, and for the people of Scotland to continue to have free, timely access to health services.

“Over the last three years Scottish Government spending on health has approached £40bn.

“The use of the independent sector by the NHS to address short-term capacity issues represents around 0.5% of this investment, which compares to 7.3% in NHS England.

“For context, over this same period our NHS has had to pay around £0.75bn because of Private Finance Initiative (PFI) and Public Private Partnership (PP) contracts.”

The Scottish Government has previously said that total private sector spend, including private agency staff, by NHS boards was £78.5m in 2015/16 and £72m in 2016/17.

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So I was right about the £200m and probably guessed under, as SG spokespeople will bend the facts slightly (and no blame attached, for that, every party does it). Quoting press releases doesn’t really cut it, I’m afraid.

It is a bit rich for them to talk about PFI and PPP when they have used similar mechanisms for public works though.

And when will their obsession with comparisons against the English stop? Do you think it bothers someone a jot, delayed waiting on a hip replacement in Stirling, whether NHS Stockport is spending more on private providers?

England is in a worse state but as we both know, they are two years ahead in social care cuts and also introduced clinical commissioning, with all the consequences that was bound to generate. It is no wonder they are in a worse state. My question is what is happening to stop the Scottish NHS getting to a similar state?

I acknowledge this has gone off-thread and should maybe be continued on the Scottish thread as it isn’t really about Brexit now.

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Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye

And when will their obsession with comparisons against the English stop? Do you think it bothers someone a jot, delayed waiting on a hip replacement in Stirling, whether NHS Stockport is spending more on private providers?

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Shirley it's a fair tactic for a party whose raison d'etre is to separate their country from England to regularly stress differences between the two? I would fully expect the SNP to highlight any survey indicating 'more inequality' south of the border, for example.

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Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye

So I was right about the £200m and probably guessed under, as SG spokespeople will bend the facts slightly (and no blame attached, for that, every party does it). Quoting press releases doesn’t really cut it, I’m afraid.

It is a bit rich for them to talk about PFI and PPP when they have used similar mechanisms for public works though.

And when will their obsession with comparisons against the English stop? Do you think it bothers someone a jot, delayed waiting on a hip replacement in Stirling, whether NHS Stockport is spending more on private providers?

England is in a worse state but as we both know, they are two years ahead in social care cuts and also introduced clinical commissioning, with all the consequences that was bound to generate. It is no wonder they are in a worse state. My question is what is happening to stop the Scottish NHS getting to a similar state?

I acknowledge this has gone off-thread and should maybe be continued on the Scottish thread as it isn’t really about Brexit now.

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To compare public health care systems, you would go for countries which are similar to yourself and are running similar systems. England fits the bill. We both started off from the same point.

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

A customs union, workers rights guaranteed, and much more. What did Theresa tell him...GTF

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None of which bears much scrutiny. Since when was the EU such a great guardian of UK workers' rights? There are plenty of examples of the UK workers rights being well in advance of the EU minumum. The only reason Corbyn throws the word 'workers' into the mix so often is because it's expected of him. If he really felt so strongly about all this he'd have campaigned to stay in the EU rather than the flip-flopping stance he took in 2016 and has continued to take due to the fact that at heart he's a Brexiteer.

Corbyn's excuses for avoiding an election don't wash. He's doing so simply because current polling shows he'd take a doing.

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Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye

So I was right about the £200m and probably guessed under, as SG spokespeople will bend the facts slightly (and no blame attached, for that, every party does it). Quoting press releases doesn’t really cut it, I’m afraid.

It is a bit rich for them to talk about PFI and PPP when they have used similar mechanisms for public works though.

And when will their obsession with comparisons against the English stop? Do you think it bothers someone a jot, delayed waiting on a hip replacement in Stirling, whether NHS Stockport is spending more on private providers?

England is in a worse state but as we both know, they are two years ahead in social care cuts and also introduced clinical commissioning, with all the consequences that was bound to generate. It is no wonder they are in a worse state. My question is what is happening to stop the Scottish NHS getting to a similar state?

I acknowledge this has gone off-thread and should maybe be continued on the Scottish thread as it isn’t really about Brexit now.

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Until Scotland has independence from Westminster, there will be nothing to stop services here disintegrating into the same hell hole that they have south of the border. Because as you very well know. Overall funding availability for the Scottish Parliament is directly linked to what the UK Parliament chooses to spend, regardless of how much tax revenue Scotland generates. This forces our own government to follow suit in terms of the policies that are implimented. They can only mitigate so much until there is a breaking point.

But perhaps that's what you're hoping for. Our own government to be backed into a corner so you can point out that they're tories as well. Then you can tell everybody how politically similar Scotland and England are.

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Originally Posted by G B Young

None of which bears much scrutiny. Since when was the EU such a great guardian of UK workers' rights? There are plenty of examples of the UK workers rights being well in advance of the EU minumum. The only reason Corbyn throws the word 'workers' into the mix so often is because it's expected of him. If he really felt so strongly about all this he'd have campaigned to stay in the EU rather than the flip-flopping stance he took in 2016 and has continued to take due to the fact that at heart he's a Brexiteer.

Corbyn's excuses for avoiding an election don't wash. He's doing so simply because current polling shows he'd take a doing.

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Name 5.

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Originally Posted by G B Young

Corbyn's excuses for avoiding an election don't wash. He's doing so simply because current polling shows he'd take a doing.

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Isn't that a good enough reason? With the lib dems doing their best to split the remain vote right down the middle, would it not be careless for him to act all bold and brave at this stage?

If he was such a pro-brexiteer, wouldn't he be equally as desperate to hold an election as soon as possible and hand over a tory majority as Jo Swinson is?

Strong and stable

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I think an election will be approved by Labour if the EU give us the long extension.

This constant "we voted to leave" causes me problems. When you leave, you have to know where you are going.

They are like the ex partner standing on the doorstep expecting the remaining partner to phone a cab for them, arrange accommodation, whilst complaining that they are taking too long to do it.

Just typifies the inability to take responsibility, and actually demonstrates very well that they didn't know what they were voting for.

quite astonishing the percentage of both leavers and Remainers believing that violence towards MP's/members of the public getting badly injured during protests is "a price worth paying" :confused:



https://www.politico.eu/article/poll...brexit-result/

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

This constant "we voted to leave" causes me problems. When you leave, you have to know where you are going.

They are like the ex partner standing on the doorstep expecting the remaining partner to phone a cab for them, arrange accommodation, whilst complaining that they are taking too long to do it.

Just typifies the inability to take responsibility, and actually demonstrates very well that they didn't know what they were voting for.

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I liked the skydiving metaphor.

Hands up who wants to go skydiving.

Yay, we've a majority in favour so everyone has to get on the plane and prepare to jump.

Ok, time to jump. But there are no parachutes.

We must protect democracy. We must respect the will of the majority. Now jump!

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

quite astonishing the percentage of both leavers and Remainers believing that violence towards MP's/members of the public getting badly injured during protests is "a price worth paying" :confused:



https://www.politico.eu/article/poll...brexit-result/

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I think a Battle Royale / Hunger Games is the only solution now, last MP standing gets to decide the Brexit outcome.

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Originally Posted by CloudSquall

I think a Battle Royale / Hunger Games is the only solution now, last MP standing gets to decide the Brexit outcome.

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although i'm astonished at the levels of acceptance for violence i do admit to have a yearning for delivering a haymaker to boris Johnson/Moggy/Gove/Javid, i'm only feeling like this after reading that article :)

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I liked the skydiving metaphor.

Hands up who wants to go skydiving.

Yay, we've a majority in favour so everyone has to get on the plane and prepare to jump.

Ok, time to jump. But there are no parachutes.

We must protect democracy. We must respect the will of the majority. Now jump!

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There's a guy whose been trying to persuade them not to jump, but he's bored now and just wants the whole thing over and done with.

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

quite astonishing the percentage of both leavers and Remainers believing that violence towards MP's/members of the public getting badly injured during protests is "a price worth paying" :confused:



https://www.politico.eu/article/poll...brexit-result/

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60% of leave voters in Scotland favour violence. Considering we know who they are I'm surprised the figure is that low.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I liked the skydiving metaphor.

Hands up who wants to go skydiving.

Yay, we've a majority in favour so everyone has to get on the plane and prepare to jump.

Ok, time to jump. But there are no parachutes.

We must protect democracy. We must respect the will of the majority. Now jump!

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Only a traitor would refuse to jump.

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Originally Posted by G B Young

None of which bears much scrutiny. Since when was the EU such a great guardian of UK workers' rights? There are plenty of examples of the UK workers rights being well in advance of the EU minumum. The only reason Corbyn throws the word 'workers' into the mix so often is because it's expected of him. If he really felt so strongly about all this he'd have campaigned to stay in the EU rather than the flip-flopping stance he took in 2016 and has continued to take due to the fact that at heart he's a Brexiteer.

Corbyn's excuses for avoiding an election don't wash. He's doing so simply because current polling shows he'd take a doing.

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For me the EU brings a legal checks and measures to the U.K. gov on these rights. Also Human Rights, Environmental, safety, etc.

I simply don’t trust a Tory Government not to attack these hard fought rights and standards. Especially in their effort to Woo Trump with a Free Trade Deal.

Certainly one of the reasons I voted remain in 2016.

J

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I liked the skydiving metaphor.

Hands up who wants to go skydiving.

Yay, we've a majority in favour so everyone has to get on the plane and prepare to jump.

Ok, time to jump. But there are no parachutes.

We must protect democracy. We must respect the will of the majority. Now jump!

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A more accurate metaphor would be:

Hands up who wants to go skydiving.

Yay, we've a majority in favour so everyone has to get on the plane and prepare to jump.

Ok, time to jump. But we don't yet have our parachutes on.

Boris - Ok i have a trade deal that will act a parachute and ensure a safe landing.

No we don't want it, we wont jump either, instead we will shut our eyes and put fingers in our ears.

Tell the pilot to keep flying around the brexit landing strip but he must not land the plane in a safe manner.

But the plane will run out of fuel and we will crash land with no deal and kill everyone along with our democracy

Quick look there is a GE button that will refuel parliament with MP's that represent the people and ensure the correct decision is made

Shut up and keep flying round and round...

The plane runs out of fuel and crashes without a deal killing all.

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Originally Posted by G B Young

There are plenty of examples of the UK workers rights being well in advance of the EU minumum.

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Name some of them please.

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Originally Posted by Slavers

A more accurate metaphor would be:

Hands up who wants to go skydiving.

Yay, we've a majority in favour so everyone has to get on the plane and prepare to jump.

Ok, time to jump. But we don't yet have our parachutes on.

Boris - Ok i have a trade deal that will act a parachute and ensure a safe landing.

No we don't want it, we wont jump either, instead we will shut our eyes and put fingers in our ears.

Tell the pilot to keep flying around the brexit landing strip but he must not land the plane in a safe manner.

But the plane will run out of fuel and we will crash land with no deal and kill everyone along with our democracy

Quick look there is a GE button that will refuel parliament with MP's that represent the people and ensure the correct decision is made

Shut up and keep flying round and round...

The plane runs out of fuel and crashes without a deal killing all.

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That is actually not a million miles away.

You have to factor in that some of Johnson's parachutes are full of holes and there are none at all for those in manufacturing but at least the hedge fund managers all have one of the finest silk. Also there's a nice emergency landing strip a few miles away at London Heathrevoke but nobody has the balls to fly the plane there. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by grunt

Name some of them please.

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Paid holiday leave, Paternity leave and minimum wage for starts.