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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Caught in the firewall.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC93
Seemingly not a happy bunnyQuote:
Originally Posted by HFC93
Does it mean they actually cant pay people?
Hopping madQuote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
I would think that if all went well Budge would have been shouting from the rooftops telling everyone??
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Tom English will be waiting for the scoop
I demand a STATEMENT.
Fixed 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Nice one Whisky, I can see what you have on your mind there so fingers crossed!!Quote:
Originally Posted by whiskyhibby
Have to hand it to Ann Budge, she has managed to deflect a lot of the fans anger onto the Hearts players. And every other club in Scotland as well.
It is Trumpesque in its brilliance.
They are more concerned with having a pop at their own players and other chairmen than actually asking how they got into this situation.
Deluded idiots
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...pended-2551898
Majority take the cuts
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And therein lies the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tug Wilson
She has been a disaster but let's fool our thick fans by blaming everybody else. 😁
get them to **** and then more, cheating low life hertz ****s
If Barry is saying “at least two” are holding out then you know it’s more than 2. He’ll be getting his info from club with their most positive of spin on it. We’ll get the players side of things in the tabloids later tonight once their agents have leaked the true story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
At least 2 could be the whole squad.
At least 2 is many more than 2. Shambles of a club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waxy
"I cannot – and will not, in good conscience – leave the club in a position again where football debt is left as a ‘legacy’ for those who follow." I wonder what her good conscience tells her about refusing to honour contracts she signed with her employees, and publicly threatening and hanging said employees out to dry.
Seems a bit of a cheek to be one of the ones calling for the SPFL EGM for an investigation into some of the SPFL board for bullying/coercion.
Does anyone trust anyone at the wongadome?Quote:
Originally Posted by Estupendo
Sorry if I missed it but any idea who the 'minimum of 2' are?
Has there ever been a better example of coersion than "take the pay cut or there's the door"?!Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
Just fixed that for accuracy... 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by RoYO!
Two internationalists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Springbank
Hertz finding out how well liked they are by every other club in Scotland except their big bigot brother in govan ....
They have internationalists in that squad? 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by 90+2
Defo can't be Naismith. He took his wage cut at the very start.
It’s Smith, Uche and Berra is what I heard.
Poetic justice if Berra is holding out on that shower
Indeed, especially the way they treated him. Totally shambolic way to treat their players, hope this hits HMFC hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Jonesy-
So, long after almost every club, they've finally got their players (or most of them) to take a wage reduction, through weeks of coercion and threats.
The class of that club knows no bounds.
:aok:
p.s I thought I'd just point out that their overall wage bill, despite the reductions, is still massively higher than that at Easter Road. Amazing stuff, Queen Ann
Even after the agreed cuts? Incredible if that is the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Will he not still be getting paid by dundeeQuote:
Originally Posted by -Jonesy-
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His contract is with Hearts - not Dundee. Hearts pay his wages and Dundeee will reimburse Hearts whatever amount waas agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
I wonder if Budge was hoping that more would not agree so she could get rid of them and their wage. as it stands she'll have to find 70-90% of their wage bill which still appears unsustainable for them. and lumbered with them for the duration of their contracts.
It would be interesting to see a breakdown of how many players agreed to what percentage. My money is on any players who accepted a reduction did so on the bases of no more than 10%. Just a hunchQuote:
Originally Posted by Mainstandman
Yeah it would be interesting to see how much some of these guys are on....I mean £6 / 8k per week at a club like hearts is a nonsense, and surely asking for trouble.
Yeah, but Budge has managed to claw back 10% from most of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggie
So that's nice...
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Originally Posted by Peevemor
But it's still nowhere near the 50% that she said was necessary for the club operations to remain sustainable.
They have changed there tune. When the players weren’t agreeing to the reduction in wages they were all ***** and hopefully the leave. Players agree wage reductions, great guys, great players, come on hearts! What a club 😂😂
I haven’t taken much interest in their player problems but I assume there has recently been a bit of a climb down on their behalf. Probably less from a sense of loyalty and goodwill towards their club, which has treated them like dirt, but more from a sense of self preservation in view of the ongoing virus crisis, ensuring some income and the unknown dilemma of the end of contracts/summer transfer window dogfight.Quote:
Originally Posted by sean04
Yes, and they’ve now used their get out of jail card. If they can’t pay wages and have costs they can’t meet the next stage will be administration. They can dump all their players, bump their debts and take a points deduction this season when they look like being relegated anyway. Maybe I’m being a bit too simplistic as I’m not sure of all the implications of administration but it certainly wouldn’t surprise me.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloryhunter
Where is it being reported that the figure was 10%? I haven't seen it as yet.....Quote:
Originally Posted by gloryhunter
Yeah but, but it’s to avoid relegationQuote:
Originally Posted by Biggie
Sorry but I hadn’t been playing close attention to the situation but could someone answer the following questions for me as simply as possible thank you:
Why aren’t Hertz relegated yet?
What’s the hold up?
When do we expect it to happen?
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Originally Posted by Real Emerald
They would do all that and still claim relegation is ‘unfair’.
Classless club.
I thought they were going to do it yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by LancsHibs
There was meant to be an SPFL meeting yesterday. Did it happen?
It’s a pity we can’t get the semi final played now. With all the wage shenanigans and threats from the club owner their dressing room spirit must be on the floor.
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Originally Posted by HoboHarry
From the Banderson article from yesterday
"With monthly salaries due to reach bank accounts on Thursday, those agreeing to reductions of between 10 and 30 per cent must do so by close of business this afternoon for money to be processed."
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Originally Posted by Keith_M
The fitting and lighting of the name and Hearts crest are still amateurish, but that is the best photo of their new main stand I have seen... it really doesn’t look too bad there.
Thought I'd blundered into a thread from 2011 there. Banderson makes these things sound so banal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
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Originally Posted by Keith_M
Their total wage bill is indeed higher than ours but it's not massively & there's a strong case to be made that the average wage of our 1st team squad is actually higher than their's. The real difference comes from their bloated structure, 122 players & coaches etc versus our 76, & 71 admin & commercial staff versus our 35. They also have 146 p/t hospitality staff.
Here's the most recent (6/19) numbers.
Wages & salaries; Us, £5.561m Them, £7.446m. As above their total includes 146 p/t staff. If we say approx £3k a year each, we can knock off the £446k leaving their bill at £7m. Now let's say we both pay much the same for Comm/admin staff, say £20k a year, (this # doesn't really matter), that reduces our wage bill by £700k & Hearts by £1.42m. The balance of the wage bill is now Hibs, £4.861m, Hearts £5.58m.
We're shown as having 27 1st team players, including 4 loans & they have 29 inc 2 loans. We have 4 senior coaches shown & they have 5, plus Potter & Worzel!
That means they have an additional 86 players & coaches to our 45. Again let's choose a salary for these players etc. I often see £500 pw (£25k pa) bandied about on here as a wage for younger players. For arguments sake let's knock it down to £300 pw or £15k pa. That knocks their remaining (senior Players) wage bill down to £4.29m & ours to £4.19m.
Given they have 36 senior staff to pay compared to our 31, a straight average comes out at £119k pa for them & £135k pa for us. Now we can argue for ever about the numbers I've guesstimated here but whatever #s you use I believe it's apparent that our players are being paid at least comparable with those at PBS. Incidentally despite us only having 111 footballing/comm/admin staff to their 193, our pension payments are more than twice what Hearts are expending. The good news is Hearts reducing 1st team wages by 10/30% is not going to be significant.
Agreed, best to be in the dark in keeping with their fans.....Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
They never got paid for weeks/months on end under Romanov If anything it helped them creates a siege mentalityQuote:
Originally Posted by monarch
Might’ve been noted already and sorry I can’t post a link, but there is an entertaining Twitter account, baiting our chums under the name Hearts Finally Apologise. It’s made me laugh.
It’s on one of the threads IggyQuote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
Once this is all over Hearts should look back and be embarrassed at the way they've conducted themselves.
Then again it is Hearts so probably won't
If the staff have been furloughed the government will be chipping in towards that amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mainstandman
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8a42a619a5.jpg
Is this the Jambo that writes for the guardian who has been pushing reconstruction the last couple of weeks?
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Yup and on a single mission to keep the Jambos in the top league. Ignores all facts and counter arguments and now king fud on social media.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Yes, he's the one that tries to pass himself off as a journalist. Would love to hear what BS he'd spout when those tweets were put in front of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Originally Posted by 007
Give it a go. £10 says he gives it the 1-5 then blocks you.
Someone's already done it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
https://twitter.com/BIGSHORTY100/sta...238322176?s=19
It looks pitch black so I’m inclined to agree that is definitely the best photo!Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Maybe I’m looking at a different one to you?
Oh dearQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The very same Ewan Murray...............never let him forget :cbQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://www.theguardian.com/football...adimir-romanov
If ever there was a shoe in for the Duncan gig it's Ewan.
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“ Hearts' greatest player, Willie Bauld, refused to set foot inside Tynecastle for years after being charged for the matchball for his testimonial game.”Quote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
They really are cheapskates.
Ultimately it’s us that pays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
I'm happy enough about my contribution to that so long as they go down....Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonewall
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They could start the u14s and we'd find a way to make a meal of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by monarch
and many generations to follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonewall
I always find it disturbing when a journalist abuses their position to spout biased garbage for their own selfish agenda. People like Ewan Murray shouldn't be confused with decent, quality and impartial journalists.Quote:
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He’s unbearable. But he’s at least consistent - when Hearts do something indefensible, he will try to obfuscate the issue and throw mud in as many directions as possible (bonus points for any needless and out of context digs at us of course).
Still, that article - maroon tinged throughout - carries the tacit admission that Hearts are a basket case and have been for decades.
All this fury and indignation is not really about ‘unfairness’. It’s about the horrific consequences of relegation for them. They are in a hole.
Em, Hibs refused to pay for Gordon Smith's ankle operation.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdinMike
Yip, people complaining about what agents take out of the game forget how disgracefully clubs treated players before they came along.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Sarf
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And he went on to win two more league titles after paying for the operation himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Sarf
Interesting fact - Huns RIP and Celtc have the most league titles, but Smith is third with five which puts him ahead of us, Aberdeen and Hearts who each have four. And Smith never played for the Ugly Sisters.
I think it's ok to complain about both. Players were treated disgracefully but some current agents, a well known Scottish one springs to mind, behave disgracefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Jambos are at the tantrum stage now.
And they're infighting about joining the English leagues. And that muppet Lawson reckons they're the most Scottish club up here!Quote:
Originally Posted by Waxy
https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index...ottish-league/
Pleasing. You'd think Hearts were being relegated, why haven't some of these revolutionary ideas came up before on kickback? Say around January for example, or when they were bragging about beating st Mirren before the lockdown then relegating them?Quote:
Originally Posted by AltheHibby
By the looks of it there's going to be an awful lot of corrupt leagues around the world relegating the teams that were at the bottom when the season had to end.
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If you dont relegate you cant promote. Pretty simple.
Calling in the big guns now of the statement world
"I can't believe I am saying this, but I would love for Jim Traynor to come back and help out the clubs taking the SPFL to task. Despite my dislike for the guy, he would run rings round the SPFL."
He was given a bill for the whole event. The reason the match ball is mentioned so much is that it was itemised on that bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdinMike
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Dug out my Para Handy DVD to pass the time this afternoon. The opening credits showed the book that engineer Dan McPhail was reading, it was called “Hearts Adrift”.
The hypocrisy in that thread man. "We all want a level playing field" 😂😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by AltheHibby
Can anyone explain all this 'Duncan' chat? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
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Originally Posted by Cabbage East
Ask Judy.
Or search for Duncan Murray on t’internet... not so much the black sheep of the family as the disliked, useless maroon one.
Well, watched the 'that was the team that was' about Hibs and the first season after the Mercer bid, we were languishing bottom and then there was an announcement that there would be no relegation that season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waxy
That was for proper league expansion. We ended up second bottom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newry Hibs
That's quite staggering.Quote:
Originally Posted by AltheHibby
Where were these utter trumpets when they were busy 'winning' a Scottish cup against us, using laundered money while bumping charities etc., and benefiting from one of the most inept (corrupt in their eyes) refereeing performances since Alan Freeland forgot 2 yellows = red.
For all their noise, they'll put their cardigans back on, fawn over Budge's next statement and hand over their money without question. As always.
Fannys.
Are they doon yet?
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Originally Posted by Newry Hibs
Sure. And if a properly considered reconstruction plan that improves the league gets approved by the SPFL membership, other clubs may benefit in a similar way in future.
Zero chance of that being in place for next season though.
Maybe we could just get all the Duncans to self-isolate for 18 months? And Hearts to self-isolate from football?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTo3-halKBw
**** the hertz are they no doon yet.
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Late Friday would favourite for the announcement.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Hi-Bee
****in cockroaches on any day of the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waxy
Get them doon.
:greengrin
They've been self isolating from football for years. It's social distancing thry are vert poor at. Usua.ly a contact to knee or ankle...Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
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Some positive news coming out of Tynecastle: Hearts squads PPE arrives ready for training:
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The Budge though says she will be taking no chances:
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Originally Posted by brog
True dat.
Also, I would argue that it’s changes in law rather than agents that has changed the balance of power between players and clubs.
A phrase never to be found in the Yamasaurus. An alien concept to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452