Britain should fulfil its obligation to house some refugees I agree with that but not all of the folk on these boats are actually refugees are they.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
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Britain should fulfil its obligation to house some refugees I agree with that but not all of the folk on these boats are actually refugees are they.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
Why don't you want the refugees to come to the UK?Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
I already said I don't see an issue with allowing some refugees to come here. Not everyone on these boats are refugees though are theyQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
What are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
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Some actual refugees and some chancers pretending to be refugeesQuote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Yet the French stopped 10 times as many attempted boat crossings last month compared to 2019.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
The UK and France also agreed last month to a joint intelligence unit on people smuggling networks and are in active talks on a revised plan to try and stop the boat crossing routes being used.
Also France is still obliged to be following the EU agreed rules with the UK through 2020.
Still Brexit n all that.
The fact is that these migrants, some of who will be genuine asylum seekers, others simply economic migrants, are being exploited by criminal gangs profiting from people trafficking with zero regard to any laws or the safety of the people they are smuggling.
No matter what you think of the UK’s asylum process that type of profiteering and disregard for life should never be supported.
We take less refugees than most other countries. How many is "some"? And why not more than just "some"?Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
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Originally Posted by makaveli1875
How do we know this if we just send the navy to turn them round? (Answer: we don't, but it's comforting to your narrative to assume they are).Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
A few thousand would be some.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Fact, or Hibs.net fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
It's a fact that can't be argued.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
According to UK government figures in the year to September 2019 the UK resettled 238 refugees.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
The UK report card reads "must do better"
Because you said so.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
Not believing that.
Whatever, don't give a **** if your believing it or not. The government know the score and that's the main thingQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Any comments on the low numbers of refugees that this great country has resettled?Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
Hard to find an exact figure but I'm seeing 15000 if that's accurate then I'd say that's pretty reasonableQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Depends on how you measure low.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
The actual figures on numbers being granted asylum have grown substantially over the last decade and last year saw the highest number yet.
Here’s some figures to digest and help inform:
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...and-protection
That is informative, particularly this part:Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
"The UK received a number of applications equivalent to the 5th largest of the EU member states in year ending September 2019; this would equate to the 19th largest per head of the population."
Which seems to support the assertion that UK levels are low.
The reason there's currently so many boat crossings is a side effect of covid - less lorries crossing at the moment and the ones that are are complying with safety restrictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
Rubber boats and lorry cabins are no way for anyone to travel. There needs to be a legitimate route like a ferry that will bring over the people that are granted asylum and the people that are rejected will just have to make do with France. Its not so bad over there.
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Originally Posted by makaveli1875
Try doing some homework before proving your ignorance
https://www.redcross.org.uk/about-us...AEgIG3_D_BwE##
https://www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-d...-and-migrants/
https://observatoryihr.org/blog/the-...k-their-lives/
https://www.unhcr.org/uk/asylum-in-the-uk.htmlQuote:
The problem is that asylum applications must be made on British soil. Incongruously, in order to be permitted to even request to live in a place of safety, stability, and opportunity, you have to already be there. Asylum seekers can enter the UK in one of two ways. The first option is to fly in and claim asylum upon arrival. Yet for every country that an asylum seeker is likely to have travelled from, a visa is required to enter the UK. And the government advises against granting an applicant a visa if:
the political, economic and security situation in the applicant’s country of residence, including whether it is politically unstable, a conflict zone or at risk of becoming one, leads to doubts about their intention to leave the UK at the end of their visit
In other words, if it’s suspected that a person might be seeking entry to apply for asylum, their visa application will almost certainly be rejected. To be allowed in, the UK has to be confident you will leave. The upshot is that the only safe, legitimate way to enter the UK in order to seek asylum is blocked.
That leaves just one option: would-be asylum seekers must enlist smugglers, at considerable cost and risk, to help them to move across borders without detection. Their attempts to reach the UK necessarily require them to break laws, and hand over their life savings to criminal networks who can offer no certainty about whether they’ll arrive alive. The odds are never good.
And it's not just the UK and Europe.
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/851992131822
Try not being a flatulent ring piece, we don't all have the time to trawl the Internet doing our homework on every matterQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Well articulated response. I feel myself being swayed towards your point of view now.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
Thank you for then enlightened insight into how your mind works. Reduced to personal insults because you were proved wrong is not the way to engage in serious debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
I replied in the same tone as you do you can dry yer eyes and drop the serious debate patter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
If you "chanced" your own death on a rubber ring across the sea just to get to another country, wouldn't you suspect that whatever you were running from was worse than death?Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
What are they running from that's so bad in france, its a fantastic country. Great food, better weather than here. Its a modern European country its not worse than death at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
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Originally Posted by makaveli1875
It's fair to have different views on the topic, but what a horrible response this is. Devoid of any compassion or empathy for those who are fleeing their country for a safer or better life. Do you think they want to be in this position? Do you not think they they wish for a safe or secure future in their homeland?
You obviously don't understand the conditions that refugees have to endure in the camps such as the Jungle near Calais. Full and overflowing with no proper sanitation or water supply. A leaking dinghy is deemed to be preferable to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
I think making posts without knowing the facts or checking the authenticity of what you're claiming is the definition of being a flatulent ring piece.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
Note: This post was made without checking the authenticity of my claim and the Oxford Dictionary may actually give a different definition of "Flatulent Ring Piece".