What vote are you talking about? I thought there'd been no votes about this yet. Or are you talking about the spl board made up of the 4/6 club representatives as opposed to the spl member clubs?Quote:
Originally Posted by frazeHFC
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What vote are you talking about? I thought there'd been no votes about this yet. Or are you talking about the spl board made up of the 4/6 club representatives as opposed to the spl member clubs?Quote:
Originally Posted by frazeHFC
Even more corrupt than the Italian league :rolleyes:
Maybe that's their big plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by gramskiwood
FIFA forced to come in and do the necessary.
The SFA/SPL will be able to say to all the angry bears "It wisny me".
Absolute disgrace, I know what I'm doing tomorrow, I'll be contacting UEFA and FIFA to see if this can bring about sanctions for the rest of the league and if it does when they will be enforced. Surely it won't be too long, considering Rangers are taking the SFA to court as well they are merely sailing the whole of Scottish football too close to the wind. I can almost taste the saltwater now...
By the SFA/SPL helping nRFC staying in the SPL, it will kill Scottish Football. Bampots.
Season Ticket For Sale In East Stand. £405.
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Originally Posted by neilmartinrocks
Nope. My only hope was that we might at least be able to use Rangers' plight to change Scottish Football for the better. There doesn't even seem much hope for that.
Personally I would have deducted them a point for every million they owe, say -30 points for the next for or five years.
Even if Scottish football is too cowardly/short sighted/desperate to deal with Rangers the way they should, hopefully other parties (ie the tax men/UEFA/others) will still hit them where it hurts. We shall see.
yeah but at least the Italian fa done something about the corruption our fa's attitude seems to be "guilty as sin but never mind your an institution".Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven_Hibs
Spot on :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by snooky
Do the clowns not see how bad this looks, or are they like Craig Thomson and dont care, Shocking.
Sell up now, STF. No point anymore.
The game's a bogey.
I won't be back.
:agree: SFA does SFA so to speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by neilmartinrocks
People shouldnt boycott Hibs over this, to be fair the Tasche has stood up for fans and is generally hostile to OF.
Celtic have by far the most to lose if Rangers go down to 3rd division, therefore the chances of them boycotting SPL or voting to punish Rangers are none existant. Other SPL clubs should all resign and leave OF to themselves (they deserve each other) like what nearly happened over that whole Sentanta deal a few years ago.
Oh dear, the fat lady is about to step up to the podium and start singing about Scottish football.
one minute they want out and the next we cant do without them.Quote:
Originally Posted by andrew_dundee
the twisted sisters ARE whats wrong with scottish football.
they want all the money all the glory and all the decisions to go their way.
get them tae **** away to their atlantic league or the premiership or anywhere just get rid before they **** it up for everybody.
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
It's not a matter of boycotting Hibs. There's no point in even pretending there's a level playing field anymore, so what's the point?Quote:
Originally Posted by andrew_dundee
Scottish football is goosed, but worse than that, it's openly corrupt.
Who is going to buy a team in a corrupt league run by a corrupt SFA/SPL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
absolutely disgusting, i already regretted buying 3 season tickets after the final now....well i dunno what to say to that:violin:Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
Aye, drop the "p" and it still reads true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiberlin
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Originally Posted by Twiglet
No idea, i just heard there was a vote among the other clubs to give their verdict that would decide it.
People should boycott Hibs matches in the SPL. It doesn't matter if this seems to punish the club - by competing in this competition, they are endorsing an utterly corrupt institution (by which I mean the SPL). I would honestly rather hibs moved themselves into the SFL, and considered 1st place in the first division to be the highest legitimate prize on offer, other than the two cups. The SPL is no longer a competition, it is an embarrassment, a travesty, and a farce, with which a team like Hibs should have no association whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by andrew_dundee
This is bigger than one club. Rangers getting a free pass into the SPL renders the whole league pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by andrew_dundee
Looks like it's to late for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by neilmartinrocks
They have *****d it up for everybody.
If they fell in they would come out smelling of bluebells.
Scottish Football.
28/05/2012
RIP.
Disgusting from the bigot fans http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=221389
Jokerfest!
SPL bending over backwards to help Rangers but not Livi or Gretna when it should have been the other way round.
maybe thats the plan thenQuote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
kill scottish football and then eufa/fifa might let them play in england.
nah thats just paranoia ........or is it?
Property developers, mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
The question that needs asking, is this an SFA/SPL decision or were the other 11 clubs involved in this too. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by frazeHFC
The media seem happy to print stories to placate the Huns, however Doncaster and the like do the same...
Surely the HMRC won't accept a 3p in the Pound deal, especially when Green says he has at least another £10 million 'war chest'?
And surely the newco that is formed can't simply be allowed in the SPL?
Whilst I've enjoyed the saga I still get an uneasy feeling when I read these 'stories to keep the huns happy'
I'd prefer the nuclear thing to come out sooner rather than later but I suppose someone has good reason to keep the powder dry for the moment
Celtic would alienate their own fans in any move to back up the hunsQuote:
Originally Posted by andrew_dundee
Letter from Celtic Trust to the SFA
http://www.celtictrust.net/?func=d_home_article&id=373
Just take a look at kerrydale street or the fan blogs such as rangers tax case to see what Celtic fans think of it
I can't see Celtic voting for Rangers, they'd lose 50 000 fans
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Originally Posted by silverhibee
Quite right too.Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
I wonder how often statements like this are going to need to be posted until people realise there are bigger things at stake here than simply boycotting Hibs, its the integrity of the SPL that is at stake here.
I feel a bit like Doncaster and the rest of the blazers involved here are trying to 'call our bluff' on this especially after the thoughts of fans of the 12 clubs where delivered through that survey.
What they obviously dont understand is that the cost to standard ratio in the SPL is enough for people to stay away never mind adding in this @rse licking corrupt and dare I say criminal behaviour.
Doncaster is putting the sky tv deal before anything or anyone else in this, the terms 'there must be 4 old firm games per season' included in this deal is corrupt in itself you shouldn't be able to guarentee that will be the case especially when your signing a deal over multiple years
Rangers have not only broken fair play rules they've broken the law cheated the country out of huge amounts of money no punishments or sanctions not only show the SPL/SFA up as corrupt it sends a terrible message to young supporters of our game.
As sad as it is I won't be seen to support this if it's true I won't be attending SPL or SFA games and I won't be watching SPL games or highlights on tv.
Totally agree, and I'm sitting here shaking my head in disbelief reading that Telegraph article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matty_Jack04
If it turns out to be true, I really don't know what I'll do next season. I've spent my £405 but for what?
A Gold licence that lets us compete for third place at best. Whilst having no licence allows you to compete for the title. Apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
If it is true then I'm with you Silver. I sincerely hope this does not turn out to be the case but the ST money I have been sitting on will go towards something completely unrelated to football. It looks as if our only hope of salvation is that FIFA step in and introduce some sanity to this whole mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
Scottish Football RIP
Is the Telegraph the only "newspaper" running this exclusive - can't see this actually mentioned on any other online newspapers? How reliable is their source - assuming they have a source that is - is this "news" on the radio in Scotland/UK? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by CentreLine
Sadly it is not Hibs that are the problem, it is Scottish football as a whole that just happens to include our club. If the rules are not applied to all clubs evenly and the whole system is biased towards one or two clubs then the whole thing becomes pointless. I guess we have all been kidding ourselves on for years but this time the football authorities are spelling it out so that even the most blinkered can see, Scottish football is corrupt to the core in favour of the OF. Hibs, along with all of the other non OF clubs, are victims here but their continued involvement in the SPL is to submit to the acknowledged corruption. I cannot watch that happen from the stands at ER or any other ground in Scotland. My only hope now is that UEFA/FIFA step in or that at least Hibs have the balls to resign from the SPL. If not then I have any number of things I can do with £400+ and with the greatest of regret I walk away from Scottish football. Right now I feel worse than I did 19th May, totally guttedQuote:
Originally Posted by andrew_dundee
I think we're getting out knickers in a twist here. The point of the article as I see it, is that it's talking about 'as things stand'. It also points out the loophole which would allow them to compete in the SPL is something which they are looking to close.
I think it's academic. The Huns are dying anyway, it's just that no-one wants to be left with blood on their hands.
There's no harm in getting outraged though as it helps keep the pressure on the powers that be in the SFA and the SPL.
Between the side contracts, the current debt, the still to be announced FTTT result, the silly attempt by the admins to overturn the transfer embargo etc etc etc, I think it's fair to assume the quintessential British cheats are goosed.
For those getting in a lather about this, it isn't about a vote or straight out corruption, it's about badly written rules. The SFA have been granting licences since 2005 and the SPL have advised clubs that they must have a licence to compete in their league. What they have apparently failed to do is incorporate that requirement into their written laws and without that the requirements cannot be enforced. Astonishing incompetence - yes, favouring Rangers - no, since they could not have foreseen these circumstance seven years ago. I do wonder how any other club in a similar position would fare though (Hearts appear to have submitted their accounts late but still got a licence...).Quote:
Originally Posted by frazeHFC
On the other hand, those same laws contain absolutely no provision for the introduction of a Newco, indeed some of the laws could be read as specifically prohibiting it, but by the same token as the licence loophole, if it ain't in the rules it can't happen IMO. This is being glossed over by Doncaster and others though, I would like to see them address the point directly, but no doubt they would be able to bend the rules somehow in this case. That's why I am against the new rules to be voted on this week - by recognising a newco thay are introducing the exception that proves the rule in the true sense of that phrase.
I wondered that too....Quote:
Originally Posted by Twiglet
I've read the article a good few times and basically all that it is, is this.....
To play in the SPL you need to have an SFA licence, and to have and SFA licence you need to do a number of things including submitting accounts by a set date.
The problem is that the SFA licence stipulation is NOT enshrined in any SPL rules, creating a loop hole that the cheating B's are trying to use. The SPL spokesman even states that they're trying get that loophole closed.
So the bottom line is that the SPL can't "legally" reject Rangers on those grounds alone........ EVERTYHING ELSE is still on the table, including this weeks Newco vote etc....... so you could almost say the news article is a non-story in the big picture of things.
You could, or you could also say that the SPL not being able to enforce their own rules because they, er, forgot is about as big a **** up as you can possibly manage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Alf R
It's also a nice wee gateway into the SPL for the Huns (New or Old).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ beaten to it! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This from the DR makes interesting reading
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...medium=twitter
I especially like
"The club’s prospective new owner has until close of play today to table the offer that he hopes will drag Gers out of administration.
If he delays any longer Record Sport understands it will be too late to save the club from liquidation with the last of Gers’ revenue streams set to dry up on June 1."
:flag:
Correct. The SFA licensing process has been phased in over the last few years and many clubs have been playing without licenses during that time. It's a bit of a non story.Quote:
Originally Posted by green glory
The real issue is the transfer of SPL share to a new club. The vote on that is scheduled for a couple of days time but I think is almost certain to be postponed again while everyone pretends there's still a chance of the phantom CVA being approved.
Yipee - Another deadline :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Alf R
As long as they're dead at the end of the line, then all is well.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
Yeah, I'm with you two, and Alf and Cav about the licensing thing. It is a bit of a fuss about very little.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Hearts, as Cav says, got their licence to play in Europe, despite late accounts (which were heavily qualified). I've said it before, but I never did expect the SFA to be brutal about the financial fair-play rules in their first year of operation.
Surely the inescapable deadline is the start of June, when the players wages go back up and there's not a drop of income coming in. At that stage they surely have to shut everything down as all they are doing is reducing the pot for the creditors...
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Originally Posted by Hiberlin
Before they do, can I just say " Whoaa yuh little dancer " !!!!:drool:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
It's like an episode of " Spooks " !
Just a copy and paste but should i delete it?Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I dunno, tbh. The admins are probably your best bet; they'll know better than me.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe breezy
I am just a bit concerned that, if there is a media blackout, Hibs.net might get a battering.
Keep it handy though :greengrin
I think that Hearts were let off the hook with this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
The persistent lateness of submission of accounts and the heavy qualification gives cause for concern. Couple this with the comments from Romanov about no longer propping the team up financially and the succession of late payment of wages and they can be considered very lucky to get a License at all let alone a European License.
Time to take the huns to the vets.
Even if true, because of certain injunctions & appeals i would get it off this site ASAP.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
If they are still about, I would like to think that they will get battered next year for a similar offence.Quote:
Originally Posted by jgl07
That said, I wonder if it's applicable for another member club to protest about the Hearts situation? For example, did St. Johnstone lose out on a European place?
Tattie sack and a few bricks in the local canal!Quote:
Originally Posted by sadtom
St Johnstone got a Europa place. The only team to miss out were Hibs. Had Hearts been ruled out, the Cup Winners' slot would have gone to Hibs.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
You sure? I thought it went to to to the next League place?Quote:
Originally Posted by jgl07
No matter.... WE SHOULD PROTEST!! We missed out on an early season start, and a pumping from a team in darkest Azerbaijan, the trip to which cost us thousands....:greengrin
If that's true, why aren't we protesting? :confused: Too much class? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by jgl07
No UEFA rules are clear that there must be a representative of the domestic Cup Competition in the Europa League. I am not sure if Hibs would have got the Play-off Round place or the Second Qualifying Round.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Either way, Hibs have avoided a potential loss making humiliation.
Down with that sort of thing. From now on, we should stick to profitable humiliations!Quote:
Originally Posted by jgl07
Wasn't today the today when the local newsagent was going to be offered his £15 for the £500 owed?
Any news on this yet?
Damn ! Arrived too late to read it. Anything to do with a certain Police investigation at a certain bank ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Nope. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Seveno
Gizza hint then :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Scurrilous money laundering allegations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seveno
All totally untrue of course.
It was just some old fairytale about a knight in shining armour (or was it scrap metal armour?) and his old mate Rex who lived in a land of Good Hope and something to do with a washing machine. :confused: :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seveno
Craig Thomson probably not involved. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by jgl07
It was International Metal armour.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
His armour had hidden compartments, which fooled people into thinking he didn't have much armour on, when apparantley he was double protected.:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by jgl07
With armour as heavy as that, there's no way he could do walking away....Quote:
Originally Posted by jgl07
Some sober analysis on the phantom CVA:
http://mlm-solutions.blogspot.co.uk/...-and-cvas.html
The SPL have given the cheats an extension till June 15th to get the necessary financial documents submitted. Accounts etc. I would take that go mean dual contract info too.
https://twitter.com/bbcliammcleod/st...16433300262912
https://twitter.com/mattlindsayet/st...14988664524801
A "period of grace" indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by green glory
You just know what's coming. Irrespective of any investigation outcomes, severity of rule breaches, Rangers will be in the SPL next season under one guise or t'other.
Joke.
With the fixtures being due out the following week, I wonder if the choice of 15 June has a special significance.:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by green glory
A rangers fan just started laying into the SFA on twitter. Before I told him they're set to allow rangers back into the SPL. Then he said 'they need us more than we need them.' funny because last time I checked without the sfa you wouldn't have a league.
That's what I was thinking. The likelihood of them lasting till then is looking slim now anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
If everyone keeps delaying decisions, and remember the SPL are meeting on Wednesday I think, then Duff and Duffer will be left holding the baby. Donkey Doncaster will be able to say he did all he could to help them, thus deflecting the wrath of the Mordor hordes elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by The Story So Far...
Makes you wonder what other payments have been made by the Rangers Fighting Fund or perhaps it should be renamed the Rangers Slush Fund.
Any chance of an audited account of the fund being produced ?
Not sure if you're implying exactly this, but judging by the standard of his previous 'arguments' I wouldn't be surprised if Donkey "Neil" Doncaster tries to suggest that it is by then too late to arrange league fixtures without The Hun and therefore the best and most reasonable thing all round is to let them carry on in the league they're already in, for the sake of the fixture list and that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by reallapsedhibee
2012 - the year deadline ment something completely different
Any other team would know by now what was going to happen. They are just giving pleasure to the metaphorical pimp that is Rangers FC.
completely ignoring their responsibilities at home, with the SFA.
Is that not the date the Annual Football Bible - the Wee Red Book - is released with the fixtures lists for next season :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
The decision will be taken on Wednesday according to reports.Quote:
Originally Posted by reallapsedhibee
The fixtures will not be a problem, well at least not for the SPL. They can simply substitute Dundee for Rangers.
The silence is deafening about any CVA. Without one they will be liquidated before the end of the month as the cash will be gone. Duff and Duffer will not run the show if they cannot get their fees.
Was it not a 6pm deadline for the deadline ?
The SPL can give all the grace that they want, but the huns will fail the following condition irrespective of the timing of report submission...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Story So Far...
By not later than 31 March in each Season each Club and the Candidate Club must prove to the satisfaction of the Board that no Compensation, Development Contribution or any other sum was due or had become due and had not been paid in full to any other Club during the 12 month period prior to the immediately preceding 31 December
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Originally Posted by hibs0666
Was there any installments due to any clubs prior to 31/12 2011 ? Maybe something for Jelavic , I'm not sure of any others.
Is that an SPL or SFA requirement?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibs0666
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I think it is part of the SFA club licensing rules, so it won't matter. :confused:
I picked it up from SPL rules appendix 3 financial fair playQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Thought so. The fact that the SFA have been lenient in applying the licensing rules in relation to Hearts doesn't give me much confidence that they will apply the letter in Rangers' case.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Ah.... in that case, ignore what I just said...:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by hibs0666
Yes but then someone would have to substitute lower down for Dundee, and someone else for the someone, and so on all down the divisions. No, it's far too much trouble and uncertainty - best to let HunFC carry on in the SPL.Quote:
Originally Posted by jgl07
'course there may be some large financial incentive for D&D to behave in a certain way, other than fees, that we don't know about yet...Quote:
The silence is deafening about any CVA. Without one they will be liquidated before the end of the month as the cash will be gone. Duff and Duffer will not run the show if they cannot get their fees.
:agree: They're waiting for their EBTQuote:
Originally Posted by reallapsedhibee
Not true; the sfa don't organise leagues in our country, for senior clubs. That's the job of the SPL and the SFL. Even so, SPL, SFL and SFA are only governing bodies for Scottish clubs. Not one of them is required for groups of clubs to form and to play together in a league ... therefore, the clubs are more important than the governing bodies, and that's how it should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leishy1995
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Originally Posted by Sir Alf R
Any similarity to what I (genuinely) surmised from reading info across a multitude of websites, and reality, is purely coincdential ............. and any similarity to people alive or dead, in jail or not ... is also a complete co-incidenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Seveno
Only four clubs involved though, so it's not that much hassle.Quote:
Originally Posted by reallapsedhibee
Dundee to the SPL, Airdrie Utd to Division One, Stranraer to Division Two and Govan 1690 as the new entrant to Division Three.
Ticketus have received their CVA proposal.
Must be galling for them to know that as soon as they accept it season tkt renewal forms will be sent out to Rangers fans and Rangers will earn more money than Ticketus. Ticketus had their money stolen imo.
Dundee probably can't be a straightforward substitute for Rangers after the fixtures are published, though, as Dundee can't play at home on the same day as Dundee U. Rangers on the other hand can't be at home on the same day as Celtc. It'd all be too complicated. I'm coming round to Donkey D's view, that all things considered it'd be best to keep Rangers in the (top six of the) SPL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eyrie