Claim away, what does detesting Trump say about me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
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Claim away, what does detesting Trump say about me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Those that paid meant there was a website. 10 bar per year so we have this websiteQuote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
I find him extremely entertaining for one. I agree with his America first outlook and that the rest of the west has been taking advantage of the US taxpayer for too long. I like that he is anti-war and will do business with whoever, he doesn’t feel the need to be the world police. His stance on the border is spot on. He doesn’t speak like a politician and will say it as it is, he is anti-woke and protects women’s spaces and sports. The list could go on and on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
And as for your other question. Your hatred for Trump coupled with your spouting of regurgitated, false claims about him tells me you are probably a millennial bore who gets most of his information from main stream media outlets, which you swallow without question. You believe you are righteous and parrot phrases like being on ‘the right side of history’. You agree with the mainstream position on pretty much every single topic, whilst not realising that it’s all been spoon fed to you and that all your so called opinions align with every big corporation and career politician in the world.
That’s what it says about you, but a bit like what you think liking Trump says about me - it could all be incorrect. Who knows?
:aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Which false claims out of interest?
I don't watch mainstream news, have never said I want to be on the right side of history, can't stand big corporations, career politicians are some of the most despicable people, I don't believe I come across as being righteous.
Other than that you're spot on, if detesting Donald Trump makes me a millennial bore then I'll proudly wear that t-shirt.
Trump protects women, by grabbing them by the pussy and paying off the pornstars he has his dalliances with. I actually agree with his stance on gender ID in sports, and its mental it ever went as far as it did.
Anti-war...hmm, anti-war but can't make his mind up about Russia or Israel, the two antagonists of two of the biggest conflicts of the 21st century.
Its a view.
You said he is illiterate for one, not true. And you just made another false claim, he’s never actually grabbed anyone by the pussy. He made a private joke amongst friends about how women act around famous people. And why can’t he pay off pornstars and protect women’s spaces/sports? You may say you hate career politicians and corporations but you admit you agree with every mainstream position, which aligns with them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
But anyway, my assumptions about you were, in the main, incorrect! Maybe some of your assumptions about me might be too? Just a thought. Glad we could agree on some points at least.
In what way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
What does this mean and why is it a good thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
:aok: 1 singular point we agreed on, that you've then gone on to make a weird point about it being ok that he paid off a pornstar? How do you even compute that? He has paid for sex, then had to pay more to keep it quiet? Is that not disgusting or is it just me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
I don't like making assumptions about people, but there are two things that I can't help but do that with.
One is being a Trump supporter, the other is someone saying they're a Rangers fan.
Both give me some sort of visceral reaction that I can't really explain, it's probably my wokeness.
Re Trumps "literacy", you know he doesn't read anything right? He literally doesn't read so he gets lots of pictures and charts and stuff made up for him?
Why can’t he sexually assault and rape women and pay them off?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Wow.
Anti-woke must mean that he is asleep?!Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...anada-65502076Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Donald Trump sexually abused E Jean Carroll, jury finds.
My point about the pornstar was that I don’t see why that negates his protection of women’s spaces and sports. And btw, you don’t seem to be aware of what actually happened. He never paid for sex with Daniel’s, he had a 1 night stand with her and then paid hush money after the fact. Not something I agree with btw. One would have thought you were familiar with the case given how outraged to you seem to be about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Trump supporters and rangers supporters? Those are the boogeymen in the world you live in? All seems a bit silly mate. Plenty of good rangers supporters, and plenty of good people like Trump too.
So you think he raped her and Jones thinks he paid her for sex? You would have thought between the 2 of you, you might of got it right - but nope!Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
You aren't American, are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Reason I ask is that in the last couple of months I've met around 40 American visitors to Scotland and none had a good thing to say about POTUS, they were embarrassed by him.
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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
I'll bow to your superior knowledge on how the President of the US had to pay off a Pornstar anyway, its not something that outrages me in slightest, I find it absolutely bonkers that people could look at that and think "yes, this is the guy for me".
Yeah, just woke little me, in my woke little world where I have an aversion to people who support a moron in the Whitehouse or a football team that stands for everything I dislike. I'm sure there are some good Rangers fans, but they're ****ing great at hide and seek.
The one other person I know who WAS a Trump fan initially now isn't is a relative who lives in Virginia.
I’m honestly astonished you thought this point was worth a post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
He got 77 million votes and has some of the highest approval ratings he’s ever had. Why is the opinion of a handful of random Americans you met in Edinburgh relevant?
https://www.economist.com/interactiv...proval-trackerQuote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Looking great for him right enough :aok:
Given her testimony that she didn’t want to sleep with him but he wouldn’t let her out the room when he declared “there’s only one way out of this trailer park” then yes, he raped her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
You can carry on thinking he’s “class” all you want, but rapists are pretty much bottom of the barrel as to people I’d define as “class”.
Well, for a start, not in Edinburgh, don't be so presumptive that every hibs supporter lives in the capital. Secondly I'm getting first hand opinion from people who are directly affected by his politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
I'm trying to understand how a random person in Scotland can be so defensive about a convicted felon.
Ok, it disgusts you. That’s what you said. And it’s not my superior knowledge on paying off a pornstar, it’s the false claim (another one) you made about him paying her for sex in the first place. It’s pretty much the broader point I’m making, people who hate Trump make these claims and are either completely misinformed or are just making things up. I’m waiting for you to start with the ‘very fine people on both sides’ hoax next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
It’s just silly that you have this hatred for Trump and his supporters and then say the only other people who compare are….supporters of a rival football club. Makes your hatred for Trump seem a bit trivial in all honesty.
I’ve never called you woke mate, not sure where you are getting that from.
It’s a thread about Donald Trump, I’m discussing him and giving my opinion. You have provided some pointless anecdotal drivel, adding nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Can I be next, please?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
You probably missed my question earlier , amidst everything else. :greengrin
Any chance of a reply?
Trump is riding the wave of 'isms' that is the dominant force in western politics right now. George W Bush gave a great speech on it way back in 2011. For all his many faults Bush wasn't an academically stupid man and he used historical examples from the post WWI period to prove his points. You get these periods, particularly in the USA, of isolationism, of America First, of barely concealed racism dressed up as tough border policy etc etc but it never lasts.
The whole refrain from the US during the 20s right through the 30s was that they had no reason to be involved in Europe's inter war power struggles, no reason to deal with the rise of Nazism because Hitler was Europe's problem, it was time to focus on America rather than send their young men to fall in Europe again.....That persisted until it became their problem in a big way.
This will pass, it always does. It might be painful in the meantime but when it comes to a head most people realise who was never on their side and those people are usually those with excessive amounts of both power and money. It almost feels like we need these reminders every 50-100 years as those who lived through it the first time around aren't around to warn us.
I know there was something about some comment made about fine people on both sides but I can't remember a thing about it. No doubt it was taken out of context though right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
I think the team you support says a lot about the kind of person you are, and I don't think I'm alone in that.
You didn't answer what
Re the woke thing, you said he was anti-woke, so I'll take that to mean anti-me and what I stand for. I don't really see it as an insult.
Are you enjoying the ICE raids? What about the economic instability and stock market rising and falling quicker than Stormy Daniels knickers? Or him berating Zelensky for having the cheek to defend his own borders?
Yes, I did mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Mainly around the amount of money the US pays into NATO and its general defence of the west. Other large economies aren’t paying their way. I
Are tariffs part of his attempt to redress the balance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
I see you need to resort to petty insults as your argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Anecdotal drivel ,in your opinion, while I'm talking to real Americans, from all quarters, californian, Montana, texas, louisiana, wisconsin,milwaukie,Michigan, ohio, west Virginia, north carolina, massachusetts, new York and even florida.
A very wide spread of the United States, east to West, north to south.
Real Americans with real lived experience of trumpian policies.
You, on the other hand have the same, arms length experience that the rest of the UK has.
So,thanks, but I'll believe my customers over your blinkered opinion of a convicted criminal.
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It doesn’t say as much about someone as you think. I support Hibs, I’m a year older than you and we completely disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
I said he was anti-woke, it wasn’t directed at you at all. You made it about you.
- yes I’m loving ICE raids.
- markets will rise, markets will fall. It was ever thus. Pretty misogynistic stuff about old Stormy there though mate? Not very woke of you.
- the sanctified Zelenskyy getting a telling off was a bit much, but I can’t say I disagreed with what was said. Should have been done in private.
Thanks for the flags 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Possibly. Or maybe used as a negotiating tactic, who knows. I’m not pretending I know what he is up to! If only.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Out of interest, what is it you’re loving about ICE raids? I presume if you’re loving them that they’re having some sort of positive impact on you and your life? If not then you’re really just revelling in the misery of others and often times misery that’s heaped upon them illegally by the Trump administration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
I for one welcome you, it's good to have different opinions. As long as it doesn't drift into personal abuse (and I see you got a few already) then we should be able to discuss and debate in a respectful way. It's good to see other opinions as there is a certainty a bit of a group think here, if you don't align with the majority then you tend to stick out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
I’m loving a leader who is going after the criminals who are illegally in the country and putting his citizens first. I’m hoping it might catch on 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
You're welcome. As a business I welcome all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
From what you say about your support for Trump policies then I know you don't.
Basic economics, as in 1st year Uni, tells us that his way of doing things is going to hurt his own economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Thanks mate!Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
What does your business do btw?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Personal abuse heading in both directions already.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
Good to see the coming together of labour and Reform voters uniting 🤣
I haven’t personally abused anyone. I gave my opinion on your pointless interjection. Wasn’t abusive in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Can’t wait for the independence/SNP thread with the united people’s front of Labour and Reform with the addition of MAGAQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Really!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Can you read my username?
And I welcome customers from every corner of the world and people of all minorities.
I'm sure you'll agree this is a bit of a statistical anomaly no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Markets will rise and fall and bolster the portfolios of the investors who make billions when they do fall, it's almost like it was planned isnt it?
Haha caught me out, I'm actually a misogynist myself.
This is a bizarre conversation, actually one of the most surreal I've ever had on this forum.
Can't say I'm surprised on your views re Zelensky, a guy who has more credibility in his left thumb than Trump has ever had.
Loving the ICE raids, tbh I can't see that as anything more than a deplorable view point, wanting us to follow suit over here is a horrifying thought.
Excuse me!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
"You have provided some pointless anecdotal drivel, adding nothing."
Not pointless
Not drivel
Providing direct evidence of the real lived experience of American people.
Ah yes, should have considered that haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Just had a look. I’ll get my granny on to it. She is from up north and goes via pitlochery a lot.
Isn't that the case with lots of things? When a majority of people agree on something the ones who don't will stick out?Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
That doesn't make people sheep, it means the people that are in the minority and who then post things like MAGA are going to have some questions asked of them.
It’s not personally abusive. You might not like it which is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Given there’s plenty innocent, non-criminal people being caught up in it I’d suggest it’s not something to be ‘loving’.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Maybe I’m an anomaly on this forum, yes. But my group of Hibs supporting friends I go to games every week are fairly aligned with me on most things. In fact we take great delight in coming up with Trumpian nicknames for players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
It doesn’t surprise me you find it surreal that someone has a different world view to you.
Yeah god forbid our government god rid of violent offenders who are illegally in our country. That would be awful.
Any examples? And please don’t say ‘The Maryland man’!Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Oh yeah well, I'll just stick to mainstream news that I don't watch and parrot the opinions of politicians I detest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
You and your pals sound like you have great fun together, thats nice.
Where do you sit so I can make sure I never have to hear your banter?
Ah yes, all the violent offenders, like the violent offenders who literally rioted and tried to set buildings on fire because they housed asylum seekers. Because some ****ed up little prick decided to take his teenage angst out on those poor girls, people saw his skin colour and decided to riot.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
And why are we not to say the Maryland Man? Because it’s another example? He had filed for asylum and the courts granted withholding or removal of him which gave him LEGAL status to stay in the USA. ICE deported him anyway. You were likely ‘loving it’ when it happened, of course.
Why are you talking about the Southport riots? Do you expect me to support that because I like Trump or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Take a breath buddy.
My father in law is a Labour, now reform voter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
All he talks about is immigrants and what they’re up to.
He lives in a pretty middle class area and there are no homeless, immigrants or Junkies kicking about.
In fact his only concern in the last couple of years is someone opened a halal butchers on he high street which was met with a lot of worry.
Smells like racism to me to be honest rather than ‘concern’ for his country.
Btw the spectacular public fall out between Musk and Trump is as hilarious as it was inevitable.
I’ve had this discussion recently as well. A guy I work with is, to put it mildly, a piece of ****. Racist, misogynistic, homophobic, bigoted. You name it, he’s almost certainly it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
Upon overhearing one of his obscene rants about ‘the blue haired *****’, I asked him how the ‘blue haired *****’ were negatively impacting his life. He claimed it was being shoved down his throat everywhere he goes so I asked him the last time he ever seen one protesting, or even spoke to one. He never had, but it was all over his instagram apparently. I pointed out how the algorithm on Instagram only pushes you stuff that you engage with and as such, I never see any ‘blue haired *****’ on mine, I just see videos of food and Ronaldinho, but he’ll see it because he’s continuously resharing homophobic pish. Essentially, it’s not being shoved down his throat, he’s shoving it down his own throat and then greeting about the fact he’s doing it.
Generally speaking, you’ll find that 99% of the intolerant ******s in the world will have absolutely no real life experience or reason to hate another group of people and it’ll almost always be based upon hearsay from some other piece of **** or nowadays, lies on social media.
The example above is nothing to do with the ICE raids?Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
The Maryland man was in the country illegally and was a known member of MS13. He was detained in 2022 under suspicion of human trafficking. The Biden administration had flagged him as an illegal alien suspected of human trafficking. He was sent back to El Salvador where they promptly arrested him for being the gang member he is.
Are all undocumented migrants violent criminals?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Taking the ICE question, though:-
The problem with protectionism, which is what the tariffs are part of, is that an economy on the scale of the US throwing up those barriers then creates problems both for itself and for other economies. It follows from that that people from those other struggling economies want to leave them, and go somewehere where they perceive they will have a better life.
It's one of the effects of colonialism, both cultural and economic, that our (and I include the UK in that) colonies want some of what their colonisers want. So... put up trade barriers, and you will get more immigrants climbing over them.
Would the US not be better served by removing the barriers, hence encouraging people to stay where they are by investment there (as well as at home)? That's the doctrine most American administrations have been following since the end of WW2.
The Maryland man had a legal right to stay in the country, given to him in court. He had zero criminal convictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Emm ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
Well this has added some unpleasantness to my day.[emoji849][emoji22]
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Welcome McBizz to the Holy Ground…I think I have found a poster less popular than me :greengrin enjoy before you get a banQuote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Its an interesting counter point to the idea that asylum seekers are the violent criminals, like the Southport rioters thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Haha! Thanks mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
What idea? Nobody said that. You are arguing with yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Behave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
He may be a 9 day wonder for all we know. He has to be consistent over a long period of time before he can claim that crown.
:greengrin
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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
You seem to be losing it mate. I specifically said violent offenders. I didn’t say all asylum seekers or any asylum seekers. I’m talking about going after known and proven violent offenders who are illegally in the country and sending them back to where they came from. That is the stated aim of Tom Homan and ICE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
You don’t seem to be able to follow an argument very well so you keep bringing up things that were never said by me or countering points I never even made.
It’s been fun buddy, have a good day.
Like ICE are definitely doing by arresting students :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Alrighty, enjoy.
A crown that I currently wear with pride lol 😂 :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
There it is!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Send them back to where they came from!
Ignoring the fact that most violent criminals are born and bred in the UK.
Oxford University
www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk
The share of asylum seekers in the local population is related to a 1.1% rise in property crime but no change in violent crime. A rise in A8 migrants as a share of the population is associated with a 0.4% fall in property crime and has no relationship to violent crime.
Proportionately more as well, before it’s claimed that’s because we’re the majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I think the majority of people would want violent criminals who are here illegally removed from the country? Wouldn't you? He was specifically talking about violent criminals who are here illegally, not in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Do you want violent criminals here illegally to be removed from the country? A simple Yes or No will suffice.
Given that they were ‘loving it’ that a man who was legally allowed to be in the USA who had no criminal convictions was deported I think it’s safe to say its not just the violent criminals they want deported from the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
But the point made was illegal violent criminals, if you lived next door to one would you want him/her removed from the country?Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Absolutely right, thanks for clarifying.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
To be clear, I want illegal immigrants that commit violent crimes to be deported out of the country back to where they originated from and I’m pleased Trump is leading the way with it.
This from the USQuote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6241529/#:~:text=The%20results%20from%20fixed%2Deffects,no t%20significant%20in%20all%20specifications.
undocumented immigration does not increase violence. Rather, the relationship between undocumented immigration and violent crime is generally negative, although not significant in all specifications.
An foi request to the UK government does not provide an answer to links between violent crime and illegal migration.
And the point was made that they were also loving ICE raids and they doubled down on that by insisting that Kilmer Abrago Garcia’s deportation was absolutely fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
Funnily enough I’m sure McBizz and all the racists who go along with this thinking would be fairly incandescent if them or their family were removed from the UK to be stuck in a prison in El Salvador.
You read something and made a wrong assumption. Can ask again would you want illegal violent criminals removed from the country? It's a yes or no answer to a question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Ah so he is a racist now? 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
It was very clearly illegal violent criminals, you ignored the question, would you want one living next to you?
Wait until you give your opinion on Independence then this place will explode. 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
I want the justice system to deal with all criminals in the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
The immigration system would deal with migrants in the appropriate way.
Please don’t insinuate I’m racist. Garcia’s deportation was due to him being a member of a designated terror group (MS-13). His asylum claim was a stalling tactic by his lawyer that the Biden administration let him away with. The guy is a gang member who was beating his wife and her children. She filed the below in 2020Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
According to the petition filed by Jennifer Vasquez on August 3, 2020, in the District Court of Maryland for Prince George’s County, Garcia verbally abused her, kicked her, slapped her, shoved her, mentally abused her kids, locking them in their bedroom while they cried, and detained Vasquez against her will. In November 2019, Vasquez alleges that Garcia grabbed her by the hair while in a vehicle. In December 2019, she states Garcia grabbed her from her hair in the car and dragged her out of the vehicle--abandoning her in the street. In January 2020, Vasquez claims Garcia broke her son’s tablet and broke doors in their house. In March 2020, she alleges that Garcia pushed her against the wall while breaking phones and TVs.
So you keep worrying about this ‘innocent’ guy if you like but I’m LOVING IT.
😂Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
I never said you were a racist. Infact I clearly mentioned you and separately mentioned racists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Again, the guy has no criminal convictions and is in the USA legally. There is absolutely no legal basis for deporting him.
Ket vs Xanax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
The Final Countdown.
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Yeah you were clever about it, I’ll give you that but you knew what you were doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Why are you focusing on violent crime committed by illegal immigrants? The UK has no statistics that show how many - or how few - crimes (violent or otherwise) are committed by illegal immigrants.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
Are you sure you're not just scapegoating based on a preconceived bias possibly based on race?
BTW I'm not sure this is the right thread, we were happily laughing and shaking our heads at Trump's madness but that topic seems to have been nudged off course.
Doesn't sound like a very nice chap. But please point to the evidence that he's a member of MS-13. I'm sure you have access to that evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Was this the guy where trump couldn't understand that someone had photoshopped the tattoo on his hand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
He was caught human trafficking with 8 men in his car travelling from Texas to Maryland. None of these men could provide an address other than the one Garcia lived at. Also, big give away, he has MS-13 tattooed on his knuckles.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Wasn’t photoshoppedQuote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
Not just Trump, then. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Guilty of calling you a racist. Although there's no evidence. I can see why you think Trump is class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
It’s not photoshop. He has symbols tattooed on his knuckles which stand for MS-13. There is no doubt he has them on his hand, there is dispute about what they mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
Yeah, I was being a bit kneejerky.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
We know Trump's clowns tell huge whoppers. The BBC are well capable of whispery lies though and lie every day through omission.
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FFS :faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
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The tattoos on Kilmar Abrego Garcia's hand—the symbols like the marijuana leaf, smiley face, cross, and skull—are indeed real, but the specific image that shows the letters "M, S, 1, 3" grafted above and below those symbols was digitally altered. Reports indicate that annotations were added to that image in an attempt to claim a direct connection to MS-13 gang membership, even though no such lettering exists on his actual tattoos. Both the Forbes analysis and CNN coverage make it clear that the digital enhancement was used to suggest gang affiliation, despite experts noting that the actual tattoos are ambiguous and not definitive proof of such membership [A](https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2025/04/30/the-conspiracy-behind-kilmar-abrego-garcias-tattoos-explained-after-trump-insists-doctored-ms-13-ink-is-real/?copilot_analytics_metadata=eyJldmVudEluZm9fY2xpY2 tTb3VyY2UiOiJjaXRhdGlvbkxpbmsiLCJldmVudEluZm9fY29u dmVyc2F0aW9uSWQiOiJLcmNva3lWM3F2cmhVU0xNS1oxNmgiLC JldmVudEluZm9fY2xpY2tEZXN0aW5hdGlvbiI6Imh0dHBzOlwv XC93d3cuZm9yYmVzLmNvbVwvc2l0ZXNcL3NhcmFkb3JuXC8yMD I1XC8wNFwvMzBcL3RoZS1jb25zcGlyYWN5LWJlaGluZC1raWxt YXItYWJyZWdvLWdhcmNpYXMtdGF0dG9vcy1leHBsYWluZWQtYW Z0ZXItdHJ1bXAtaW5zaXN0cy1kb2N0b3JlZC1tcy0xMy1pbmst aXMtcmVhbFwvIiwiZXZlbnRJbmZvX21lc3NhZ2VJZCI6IlhhTj QyUGl2VWh2eGtSQ05YNnJUeCJ9&citationMarker=9F742443-6C92-4C44-BF58-8F5A7C53B6F1) [B](https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/01/politics/abrego-garcias-tattoos-explainer?copilot_analytics_metadata=eyJldmVudEluZ m9fY2xpY2tTb3VyY2UiOiJjaXRhdGlvbkxpbmsiLCJldmVudEl uZm9fY29udmVyc2F0aW9uSWQiOiJLcmNva3lWM3F2cmhVU0xNS 1oxNmgiLCJldmVudEluZm9fY2xpY2tEZXN0aW5hdGlvbiI6Imh 0dHBzOlwvXC93d3cuY25uLmNvbVwvMjAyNVwvMDVcLzAxXC9wb 2xpdGljc1wvYWJyZWdvLWdhcmNpYXMtdGF0dG9vcy1leHBsYWl uZXIiLCJldmVudEluZm9fbWVzc2FnZUlkIjoiWGFONDJQaXZVa HZ4a1JDTlg2clR4In0%3D&citationMarker=9F742443-6C92-4C44-BF58-8F5A7C53B6F1).
Considering this context, it's important to remember that while tattoos can carry personal or cultural meanings, digitally altered images can easily mislead the public by adding false details that were never originally part of the body art. This situation underscores a broader issue with misinformation and the use of technology to manipulate public perception, particularly when tied to contentious political narratives.
If you’re interested in exploring how the manipulation of images can affect public discourse or how symbolism is interpreted in different cultural contexts, there’s a rich discussion to be had about digital editing, media literacy, and the responsibility of public figures in disseminating information.
From Copilot, citing Forbes and CNN as sources.
Apparently no dispute. They "stand for MS-13".Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Again you clearly don’t know what happened. He absolutely has tattoo’s on his hand of a weed symbol, smiley face, crucifix and a skull. That is not photoshop. The question is, does it stand for MS-13? Homeland security believe it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts