Do you think the book was constructive? Can you see how it might contribute to negativity towards trans people?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
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Do you think the book was constructive? Can you see how it might contribute to negativity towards trans people?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Have you read it. From what I can see he was a cis straight male. I've not read it so wouldn't defend that viewQuote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
It does make a difference in that I don't recognise the people I know within the way the debate is being weighted, especially the last few weeks on here. I say that as someone who doesn't see much the debate on my twitter feed and has never had a Facebook page, so this, narrow but informed, thread is the main place I see it being discussed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lester B
There are some fantastic, educational and empathetic discussions within this thread but the last weeks gives the impression of a few posters attempting to build a distorted word cloud.
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Can’t just let this one pass without a thank you for such an eloquent considered responseQuote:
Originally Posted by Kato
I hope I’m not one of those in that word cloud and apologies if I am
We would all be on a word cloud I guess, the frequency of words and assertions would, IMHO, look horrific.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lester B
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She talking about Joanna Cherry? There's ********s and opportunistic people on both sides, but that shouldn't be used deliberately to distract from the real debate on women's and trans rightsQuote:
Originally Posted by hibby rae
Which book?Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
No she's not. More likely some Tories and right wingers in the media.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
The whole 40 min interview is a good listen
No she isn’t. Not remotelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Troubled Blood. Published in 2020Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Haven't read it so can't comment. I'm not actually a fan of her fiction, hugely successful as it is - and she's due a lot of credit for keeping kids reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lester B
What's transphobic about this particular book?
I don’t think she is talking about Cherry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
As I don’t think anyone can say Cherry isn’t a long term and vocal activist in the arena of women’s rights.
Suspect it’s others who are pro-life, anti-choice she’s alluding to?
You're right that there’s unhelpful activists at both extreme poles of the debate. Those where the debate is not shades of grey but monochromatic, unyielding and intolerant.
Anyhow, Hibs are at home and this will still be trundling on later….I’m away to torture myself at Easter Road again :greengrin
See recent posts. Or are you being deliberately obtuse?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
i have not read it, and i know this might sound stupid, but IMO this is genuinely a case where one doesn't need to have read the book to comment on it, because the details of the book are not the thing that will make a cultural impact - hardly anyone will read it outside of her devotees, and the discourse on this issue has long been stripped of any nuance. it's the fact that she has written a book in which a murderous man puts on a dress and kills women. as i've said in my previous posts, there's only one way that's going to be interpreted by a lot of people, particularly when she has been arguing repeatedly that trans women are not women.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
to reiterate, i don't think she is transphobic in her intentions, but i think she is at best naïve in terms of her actions and how she has contributed to the debate.
Women dressing as men and vice-versa is a device as old as it gets when it comes to books, films and television. Rowling is hardly breaking new ground here.Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
I don't think it's true to say you can pass judgement on any book or film without having read or watched it yourself.
This is likely to kick things off again:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
https://news.sky.com/story/fresh-tra...-jail-12797405
Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
really can't see that happening, the government are bound to step in.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Why? If trans women are women why should they?Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
Indeed. If a bloke putting on a wig is enough to see him referred to as 'she' during his rape trial (and even more absurdly have his genitalia referred to as 'her p***s') then what's the problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
Because they are trans women with a sexually violent history towards cis women...not too complicated IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
But it really is complicated. There would be no question of putting a violent woman into a mens prison. Why would you put a trans woman into a mens prison?Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
UN Special Rapporteur on Torture says common sense should prevail in Scotland. Imagine the UN saying that a few months ago, people would wonder what on earth was going on.
https://twitter.com/DrAliceJEdwards/...gEGPCyznw&s=19
The UN did intervene re the SG bill a few months ago IIRC but Sturgeon dismissed their concerns. Or is that what you mean? I may be misreading your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
This 'cis' terminology is another thing that bamboozles me. Why foist it on those whose gender is already covered by existing terminology. All it does is over-complicate things unnecessarily.Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
They did but it was ignored, but I think there was another UN specialist who was supportive. I think the fact the UN Special Rapporteur for Torture is weighing in is quite something. I mean imagine if a few months ago someone said the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture is advising the SG to show some common sense people would be going WTF is that about.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
it's only bamboozling if you aren't willing to acknowledge trans women as women.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
'cis' literally just means the opposite of 'trans'. it's used in conversation where a distinction is needed.