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DUP source tells me they are going to back Letwin - big blow for the PM,

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If the Letwin vote passes, a big argument of the day will be about what the PM can and can’t tell the EU tonight. He wants to signal for no extension in a second letter: the Benn act suggests that’s not possible. Conflicting legal interpretations that could end up in court.

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Labour rebellion expected to be smaller than the 19 Johnson had hoped for.

Government may lose by a 'very small handful'.

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

It's a very British (English) set of affairs, planning things and saying what you want up front just isn't a polite way to go about things. It's about fannying around pretending you haven't got a scooby what you want to happen, on the basis that it will be alright on the night.

Had they not been so lazy that they let people vote on a concept, rather than a plan, they would not be in this mess. Likewise, if the people voting had the sense to abstain from a vote on something as wooly as was proposed, then it wouldn't have got this far.

"They said we'd be artistically free
When we signed that bit of paper
They meant let's make a lotsa mon-ee
An' worry about it later"

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Complete control - let me see your other hand.....

Letwin passed. DUP decisive.


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Passed 322 to 306.

Where’s Mr DUP-certain-to-back-down-by-Saturday gone? :wink:

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Where’s Mr DUP-certain-to-back-down-by-Saturday gone? :wink:

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Registering another user name perhaps?

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Where’s Mr DUP-certain-to-back-down-by-Saturday gone? :wink:

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I'm on the edge of my seat here awaiting the next moves of this game of 6D chess :agree::greengrin

PM says the meaningful vote has been voided of meaning. He says I will not negotiate a delay with the EU and neither does the law compel me.

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

PM says the meaningful vote has been voided of meaning. He says I will not negotiate a delay with the EU and neither does the law compel me.

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Liar lies again.

Tory MPs walking out of chamber en masse


Tory benches have now emptied..... https://t.co/dVPIsOLx6l

Sadly it now looks like the numbers are there to get Johnson’s deal through. Letwin amendment only passed with votes of most of the Tory rebs. They will mostly now vote for the deal as they think they have made it safe from no deal in the short term.

I don’t think the numbers are there to tack on ref#2 either. Dark times.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Sadly it now looks like the numbers are there to get Johnson’s deal through. Letwin amendment only passed with votes of most of the Tory rebs. They will mostly now vote for the deal as they think they have made it safe from no deal in the short term.

I don’t think the numbers are there to tack on ref#2 either. Dark times.

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No vote today though.

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Sadly it now looks like the numbers are there to get Johnson’s deal through. Letwin amendment only passed with votes of most of the Tory rebs. They will mostly now vote for the deal as they think they have made it safe from no deal in the short term.

I don’t think the numbers are there to tack on ref#2 either. Dark times.

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Yip. Chance has now gone for vote of no confidence as well. Johnson could not have hoped for a weaker opposition.


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Sliver of hope is that the deal (withdrawal agreement bill) will be amendable as it goes. If amendments can be won to soften the deal as it goes then it’s possible the hardliners could end up rejecting it later.

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Originally Posted by G B Young

I've not heard anyone else describe Johnson's deal as 'completely different' to May's. The general consensus seems to be that they're all but identical bar the scrapping of the backstop. Does that really require another three months of scrutiny?

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That's really not what I said.

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

No 10 claims chances of no deal go up if Letwin passes - 'the govt will step up no deal preparations immediately as the risks will have increased substantially - if Letwin defeated + deal approved, no deal preparations will start being turned off immediately'

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Of course No 10 (Cummings) said that. Just trying to scare the horses.

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Originally Posted by G B Young

I saw the SNP's Drew Hendry interviewed the other day and he said you "don't even need to see the deal to know it's a worse deal than May's". With that sort of closed mindset what is the point of those implacably opposed to Brexit having yet more time to 'scrutinise' things? We've had years of parliamentary 'scrutiny' of endless Brexit permutations and all it's led to is hopeless division. Dominic Grieve added this morning that the government wants Brexit to proceed at "such a gallop" that parliament won't have time to look in detail at the deal. Hard to think of a less appropriate word than "gallop" to describe the pace of Brexit!

While I don't agree with the Lib Dem policy on Brexit (ie cancel it), they're at least being honest about their stance. The rest of the remainers who continue to find all sorts of ways to obsess over parliamentary procedure should ditch this pretence that they're putting the interest of the country first and admit that their only interest is preventing any deal from ever happening.

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I thought that's what the 52% voted for, parliamentary sovereignty?

Surely you're not against that?

When we play a game, as some seem to be wanting to do, the other team are allowed to play by the rules too.

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I thought that's what the 52% voted for, parliamentary sovereignty?

Surely you're not against that?

When we play a game, as some seem to be wanting to do, the other team are allowed to play by the rules too.

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Exactly. Take back control , our parliament is sovereign ect.

The whole Brexit arguement and its benefits have been completely blown apart by simple facts and realism over the last 18 months. Most Brexiteers will realise that it's the wrong decision but are now so entrenched don't want to admit it. It's became so tribal that actual realism no longer matters.

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If that's really what's being proposed then that would be the correct decision. If such an amendment is passed it would make the sitting of Parliament today pointless. It's nothing more than another narrow-minded and unnecessary attempt to prolong this mind-numbing state of limbo we've been in for well over three years.

Those still banging the drum for yet another extension and a second referendum are interested in only one thing and that is to stop Brexit happening in any form. Their pretence at 'debating' a deal they intended to vote down before it had even been struck is pitiful.

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No s**t, Sherlock!? :rolleyes:

I seen a tory mp on telly being interviewed who voted for the letwin amendment.

Said he thinks this deal is worst than Theresa May's deal on which he voted against

He will however, vote for this deal next week

Unfortunately the presenter didn't push him on his reasonings

Surely this is just madness?

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Boris is going to send the letter requesting a delay however he won't sign it, instead signing a 2nd letter that will state that he believes it would be a mistake to grant a delay.


Tremendously cringe worthy.

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Boris is going to send the letter requesting a delay however he won't sign it, instead signing a 2nd letter that will state that he believes it would be a mistake to grant a delay.


Tremendously cringe worthy.

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And likley to be law breaking

Even if not its absolutely child like

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And likley to be law breaking

Even if not its absolutely child like

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Trump like. That's where we are now

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Boris is going to send the letter requesting a delay however he won't sign it, instead signing a 2nd letter that will state that he believes it would be a mistake to grant a delay.


Tremendously cringe worthy.

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Hopefully the EU grant the extension just to spite the ****.

So he's supposed to send it by 23:00 and he's sending it at 00:00 unsigned, along with a cover note saying it complies with parliament, and a second letter (signed) from the PM stating he believes the delay is a mistake.
What a childish prick.

i hope they find him in contempt for not sending the letter (signed) in the spirit of the law, and missing the deadline.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

Hopefully the EU grant the extension just to spite the ****.

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Aye an extension of around 50 years would do!

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So he's supposed to send it by 23:00 and he's sending it at 00:00 unsigned, along with a cover note saying it complies with parliament, and a second letter (signed) from the PM stating he believes the delay is a mistake.

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Think the court has already ruled that deliberately undermining the intention of the law won't wash. Judges in the Court of Session won't be impressed when it's raised with them next week.