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07-03-2012, 07:22 PM
CentreLine

I believe there has to be a certain amount of natural justice in a Newco Rangers starting again at the foot of Div3. They would bring good crowds to games by comparison to other teams. Consequently, as they progressed up through leagues 3, 2, and 1, they would leave behind a financial benefit to each of the SFL clubs. This in itself would ensure that Rangers go some way to redressing the balance for a Scottish football system that they have been cheating for years.

In the meantime the SPL would be a fairer and more competitive league which in turn might generate substantial interest from walk-up fans. I am not convinced that the TV companies would abandon that scenario although they may want to renegotiate some.

I see this being a fair and acceptable form of “punishment” that has the potential to leave a genuine legacy the entire length of the professional game in this country. The Rangers that emerged from the process might even be due some plaudits. Perhaps that is pushing the boundaries a little too far.
07-03-2012, 07:30 PM
SteveHFC

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Originally Posted by H18SVG

From the bears den forum....

Fact is....the new SPL deal starts in the summer and is dependent fully on both Old Firm clubs. If we aren't there, there will be no TV deal.

With no TV deal, i'd waive a guess that at least 5 SPL clubs will announce huge..HUGE losses, not only from lost TV revenue but lost away travel from Rangers.

Personally, if the worst comes to the worst, it wouldn't bother me a jot, i'd actually enjoy watching the death of Scottish football and laugh at those asking why.

But the above dosn't count, of course Sky will continue paying the millions....thousands of neutrals already have the mighty Dundee United against St. Mirren on their calander...... http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/publ...ault/laugh.gif

Now there is something in what is being said about the TV deal, however, it would be a renogotiated deal without Rangers and don't you think if the thoughts above were globally thought, the TV companies would be all over it in a macabre deathwatch?

They really are bunch of class a morons :agree:
07-03-2012, 07:46 PM
Spike Mandela

CWG Are you on commission for Duff and Phelps? You sound like an administrator's apologist.:wink:
07-03-2012, 07:51 PM
Barney McGrew

Quote:

Originally Posted by H18SVG

Fact is....the new SPL deal starts in the summer and is dependent fully on both Old Firm clubs. If we aren't there, there will be no TV deal.

With no TV deal, i'd waive a guess that at least 5 SPL clubs will announce huge..HUGE losses, not only from lost TV revenue but lost away travel from Rangers

He's bang on the money with those two points.
07-03-2012, 07:54 PM
Hibernia&Alba

Either a buyer turns up by the end of the week, or else Rangers will have to lay off most of their first team squad in order to carry on until the end of the season. And as has been asked a million times before, who will do that when the big tax case is still undecided? This 'conditional' offer of Paul Murray's must be connected to it. This could be the beginning of the end.

http://youtu.be/6BL_PIiwoWs
07-03-2012, 08:03 PM
Caversham Green

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

CWG Are you on commission for Duff and Phelps? You sound like an administrator's apologist.:wink:

TBH I'm not as convinced as CWG that D & P are doing a good or impartial job, but in truth we won't know how well they're doing it until the job is completed. One thing is sure though, they're doing the job they were appointed and paid to do rather than the one we all want them to do.
07-03-2012, 08:10 PM
Www1875hfc

http://i.imgur.com/loyTK.gif :flag:
07-03-2012, 08:12 PM
Keith_M

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

TBH I'm not as convinced as CWG that D & P are doing a good or impartial job, but in truth we won't know how well they're doing it until the job is completed. One thing is sure though, they're doing the job they were appointed and paid to do rather than the one we all want them to do.

I agree with you. It's appointed by whom that has bothered me from the start.
07-03-2012, 08:27 PM
Kato

Putting all the speculation/breaking news to one side the discomfort coming from the Rangers fans I know (one of whoms dedication stretches to a musical/uniform bent, he's an ex-stick flinger and top-hole snarist - and a top hole when comes down to it, and maybe bent) is palpable. Digging their discomfort. The only geezer I feel an eensy-teensy bit sorry for is a friend who is a genuine football fan. He's an actual Rangers fan rather than your usual gut bucket that never goes. It is an eensy teensy bit though.
07-03-2012, 08:28 PM
Caversham Green

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Originally Posted by keekaboo

I agree with you. It's appointed by whom that has bothered me from the start.

In law they were appointed by the court, and should be impartial, but it's significant that Whyte went to a great deal of trouble to ensure that the impartial IP that he nominated got the appointment. Likewise, HMRC made damn sure that the impartial IP that administered Portsmouth last time didn't get appointed again. Wonder why?
07-03-2012, 08:40 PM
SteveHFC

http://i.imgur.com/loyTK.gif
07-03-2012, 08:41 PM
FranckSuzy

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Originally Posted by PaSaikouKujabi

http://i.imgur.com/loyTK.gif

:top marks
07-03-2012, 08:42 PM
stantonhibby

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

In law they were appointed by the court, and should be impartial, but it's significant that Whyte went to a great deal of trouble to ensure that the impartial IP that he nominated got the appointment. Likewise, HMRC made damn sure that the impartial IP that administered Portsmouth last time didn't get appointed again. Wonder why?

Indeed - when you see the blokes who walk with Whyte into Ibrox on the day he took charge , one of the suits in the entourage is from Duff & Phelps ( David Grier I think). Makes you wonder if this is all one big Whyte master plan.
07-03-2012, 08:55 PM
Seveno

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Originally Posted by stantonhibby

Indeed - when you see the blokes who walk with Whyte into Ibrox on the day he took charge , one of the suits in the entourage is from Duff & Phelps ( David Grier I think). Makes you wonder if this is all one big Whyte master plan.

Not a Whyte master plan but whoever is behind Whyte. He is just the stooge IMHO.
07-03-2012, 08:56 PM
jodjam

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Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY

Do you have a lot ofLove and Pride for that club?

Actually went to see them twice in the 80's just to hear the lassies screaming "my" name :wink:
07-03-2012, 08:59 PM
EuanH78

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Originally Posted by Seveno

Not a Whyte master plan but whoever is behind Whyte. He is just the stooge IMHO.

I'm pretty sure by now that there is no masterplan if I'm honest. Too many variables and elements that cant be predicted or controlled for this to be anyones 'plan'.
07-03-2012, 09:02 PM
Seveno

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Originally Posted by EuanH78

I'm pretty sure by now that there is no masterplan if I'm honest. Too many variables and elements that cant be predicted or controlled for this to be anyones 'plan'.

I didn't suggest it was a good one. :greengrin
07-03-2012, 09:12 PM
EuanH78

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Originally Posted by Seveno

I didn't suggest it was a good one. :greengrin

Oh if it is one, I think it's a belter so far :agree:
07-03-2012, 09:13 PM
Killiehibbie

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Originally Posted by Seveno

Not a Whyte master plan but whoever is behind Whyte. He is just the stooge IMHO.

That's what I thought but I think the mess is far worse than they imagined.
07-03-2012, 10:08 PM
Seveno

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Originally Posted by Killiehibbie

That's what I thought but I think the mess is far worse than they imagined.

Perhaps the Mr Big is none other than Dermot Desmond. :cb
07-03-2012, 10:24 PM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

In law they were appointed by the court, and should be impartial, but it's significant that Whyte went to a great deal of trouble to ensure that the impartial IP that he nominated got the appointment. Likewise, HMRC made damn sure that the impartial IP that administered Portsmouth last time didn't get appointed again. Wonder why?

My take on that is that D&P were, in the beginning, sympathetic to CW, given the history they had. However, at some stage (perhaps the discovery of the Ticketus shenanigan) I reckon they have realised that the whole situation is not what they were led to believe.

From that point, they have perhaps realised that their professional reputation is far more important than any future relationship they might have had with CW. The level of public scrutiny in this case is very intense, perhaps more than they expected, but certainly much more so than some of the previous cases they would have worked on with CW.

Cav, what's your take on the Dunfermline payment? Do you think it should have been allowed?
07-03-2012, 10:27 PM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

CWG Are you on commission for Duff and Phelps? You sound like an administrator's apologist.:wink:

No.

I know that I don't always follow the general trend on here. Trust me, I am as keen to see the end of the cheating as anyone, but it has to be done properly. Part of what I do is play devil's advocate to some of the opinions here, but I am also trying to cut through the complexity of what's going on so that we can all understand it better.
07-03-2012, 10:43 PM
gramskiwood

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

No.

I know that I don't always follow the general trend on here. Trust me, I am as keen to see the end of the cheating as anyone, but it has to be done properly. Part of what I do is play devil's advocate to some of the opinions here, but I am also trying to cut through the complexity of what's going on so that we can all understand it better.

It's greatly appreciated. :thumbsup:
07-03-2012, 10:45 PM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by gramskiwood

It's greatly appreciated. :thumbsup:

Thanks, Mum.
07-03-2012, 10:58 PM
SteveHFC

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""You b*****ds, you were custodians of an incredible institution: RANGERS FC , and you ****ed it up you absolute b*****ds" "

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...ntry1059845746

:faf::faf:
07-03-2012, 11:00 PM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by PaSaikouKujabi

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...ntry1059845746

:faf::faf:

I blame David Murray. The day he allowed them to start signing Tims was the beginning of the end.

:not worth
07-03-2012, 11:01 PM
Saorsa

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Originally Posted by PaSaikouKujabi

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...ntry1059845746

:faf::faf:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...r_laughing.gif
07-03-2012, 11:04 PM
SteveHFC

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would hope that if we manage to stuggle through the situation we are in at the moment, that we don't forget how the SPL and every team it has turned their backs on us.

For all 140 years of our history, our club made scottish football, there is no question in that, our club keeps scottish football alive and it boils my blood to not see any other clubs or even the SPL, speak out even in the slightest to help our cause!

If we were to go under, personally i would not even think of starting up again, i would let scottish football die like they have let us.

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**** them all am sick of all the pish being said about us by the wee diddy teams , teams like kilmarnock , hibs , dundee united and the earl haigs lets hit them where it hurts and only attend home matches and make it like the special away day atmosphere

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=213291

What a bunch of class a morons :aok:
07-03-2012, 11:06 PM
SteveHFC

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...all-Whyte.html

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...hrough-it.html
07-03-2012, 11:09 PM
basehibby

Quote:

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

My take on that is that D&P were, in the beginning, sympathetic to CW, given the history they had. However, at some stage (perhaps the discovery of the Ticketus shenanigan) I reckon they have realised that the whole situation is not what they were led to believe.

From that point, they have perhaps realised that their professional reputation is far more important than any future relationship they might have had with CW. The level of public scrutiny in this case is very intense, perhaps more than they expected, but certainly much more so than some of the previous cases they would have worked on with CW.

Cav, what's your take on the Dunfermline payment? Do you think it should have been allowed?

I read somewhere that failure to pay Dunfermline for the match tickets would have been dead against SPL rules and could have brought down all sorts of bad stuff on their heads - including expulsion from the SPL. On that basis I'd reckon it was probably justifiable for D&P to let the Pars "jump the queue" in order to keep the option of selling the club as a going concern as viable as possible.

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