What's the chances of fans going back in September?

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Yes and yes would be the answer to your first two questions if I was making the decisions, not even household though. Could just be your bubble, I go to the games with my son and father in law, who I see regularly. The three of us going together would make sense and would ease the strain of trying to put separation between everyone. Would literally be pointless if me and my father in law were both drawn to go to the game and had to sit apart from each other.

You’re right though, it is things to be considered, that doesn’t mean they’re insurmountable problems though.

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Depends on how strictly the club have been told to enforce things and whether or not your father in law is asked to prove that he lives alone and therefore eligible to form an extended household/bubble before he would be allowed to attend with you. They might not go as far as that and just stick to actual household groups going together.

I agree they're not insurmountable but I was just querying these points with the poster who described as being "quite simple" to arrange.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Glory hunter 😉

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I'm sure I'm doing this glory hunting thing wrong somehow, just can't figure out how though! :greengrin

Personally, im happy not to attend just now - just doesnt seem worth the risk to me, and other people who are keen should get any limited availability.

I see they are looking at 20-30% attendance in England from October 3rd with no away fans. If we do similar then 50% of ST holders will be able to attend each home game.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

I see they are looking at 20-30% attendance in England from October 3rd with no away fans. If we do similar then 50% of ST holders will be able to attend each home game.

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All leagues in England?

If the club were making a loss on games to allow a few thousand fans in then it’s got to be a no. Ballot like most of you have said is fair enough I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

All leagues in England?

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Including the EPL, here's a read on how many fans could get in to each ground potentially

https://talksport.com/football/747453/how-many-fans-every-premier-league-club-stadiums-one-metre-social-distancing-measures/

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Originally Posted by Jones28

If the club were making a loss on games to allow a few thousand fans in then it’s got to be a no. Ballot like most of you have said is fair enough I suppose.

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So where do you start? Clubs may need to have test events to show they can handle any restrictions.

I think the Knockhill decision as laid out here is poor, they’re depriving 200 folk attending and the chance to prep for a greater number at future events too under the ‘can’t find a fair way to choose the 200. I wonder if there’s a financial aspect as you’ve mentioned above.

fans need to screw the nut too. I get an underlying feeling there’s an element of ‘if I can’t go no one else should’ (a bit of this from Warriors fans for next Friday). If Folk can get in now great,fill your boots and enjoy, I’ll get my turn when it’s my time.

the only thing I would say is, with 4 times the infection last week, I don’t want a thousand fans coming from Glasgow to Edinburgh next week.

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Originally Posted by 04Sauzee

Including the EPL, here's a read on how many fans could get in to each ground potentially

https://talksport.com/football/74745...cing-measures/

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Ta found it
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/talks...ronavirus/amp/


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Capacity will be limited and those attending will have to adhere to new codes of behaviour which may mean no singing or shouting so as to respect social distancing measures.

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Originally Posted by Jones28

If the club were making a loss on games to allow a few thousand fans in then it’s got to be a no. Ballot like most of you have said is fair enough I suppose.

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It’s going to cost them money to get people in. But people have have also spent a lot of money to attend games at Easter Road. The club have a responsibility to make that happen, for however many people are allowed to attend, as soon as they can.

Renewals first
New ST holders pick up the scraps, only fair.

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Originally Posted by Jones28

If the club were making a loss on games to allow a few thousand fans in then it’s got to be a no. Ballot like most of you have said is fair enough I suppose.

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The club will automatically make a loss on the games because only season ticket holders will be able to attend, so there will be no matchday income to offset against the costs of holding the game eg stewarding.

It wouldn't surprise me if the kiosks are kept closed to avoid queues in the concourses and stewards would control how many people could access the toilets at any one time. Ideally they'd want to control the rush for the exits at full time but not sure that could be done.

I'd think allowing half the season ticket holders to attend each game would be viable. The easiest way would be to assign everyone to either Group 1 or Group 2, with members of the same network in the same group, and then assign a seat to each person/group that maintains distancing which would mean not getting your own seat.

Group 1 would get half the fixtures plus Celtc and Group 2 would get the other half plus Sevco.

This would allow 5,500 fans at each game, which would mean about 5000 actually in attendance if the usual 10% estimate of season tickets can't attend. That could be higher as some of our more vulnerable fans may decide not to risk it.

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Ta found it
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/talks...ronavirus/amp/


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Capacity will be limited and those attending will have to adhere to new codes of behaviour which may mean no singing or shouting so as to respect social distancing measures.

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The no singing seems like speculation. I don't see how it's enforceable and if you're outside and completely separated from anyone not in your own household then I don't see the problem.

If that rule is going to be enforced, they would be as well not bothering with football crowds for the foreseeable future as that would just never work.

As the guidance has the risk of infection if you are on close proximity for more than 15 minutes maybe allow fans in, and every 10 to 15 minutes a tune is played over the tannoy and the crowd gets up and moves about and when the music stops you all dash for a seat. That means people are less likely to be next to the same person for more than 15 minutes at a time.

You could add a bit of interest by having 1 less seat each time. I can't believe someone hasn't thought of that before. :greengrin

Presumably the south and west stands will be closed because that is where the players and other staff are.

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

As the guidance has the risk of infection if you are on close proximity for more than 15 minutes maybe allow fans in, and every 10 to 15 minutes a tune is played over the tannoy and the crowd gets up and moves about and when the music stops you all dash for a seat. That means people are less likely to be next to the same person for more than 15 minutes at a time.

You could add a bit of interest by having 1 less seat each time. I can't believe someone hasn't thought of that before. :greengrin

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:faf::top marks

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Originally Posted by ancient hibee

Presumably the south and west stands will be closed because that is where the players and other staff are.

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I would doubt it. If the permitted number is going to be something like 5000 people then I'd expect them to want them to be as widely spread out as possible.

Of course if the number's much lower then that would be a possibility.

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Ta found it
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/talks...ronavirus/amp/


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Capacity will be limited and those attending will have to adhere to new codes of behaviour which may mean no singing or shouting so as to respect social distancing measures.

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Did folks see the social distancing when Sevilla scored? Out the window. No singing? Unenforceable from a practical perspective and if not taken care a wedge between season ticket holders and the club if the sanction is to warn/suspend access. Bit of a minefield. But gotta take steps to reintroduce. Virus ain’t going away any time soon

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Originally Posted by Viva_Palmeiras

Did folks see the social distancing when Sevilla scored? Out the window. No singing? Unenforceable from a practical perspective and if not taken care a wedge between season ticket holders and the club if the sanction is to warn/suspend access. Bit of a minefield. But gotta take steps to reintroduce. Virus ain’t going away any time soon

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If singing is banned it's not going to be a decision made by Hibs.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Glory hunter ��

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You rang?

Hun in my work said some of them have had emails saying which home games they've been selected for.

No singing allowed shouldn't be a problem at ER.



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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Depends on how strictly the club have been told to enforce things and whether or not your father in law is asked to prove that he lives alone and therefore eligible to form an extended household/bubble before he would be allowed to attend with you. They might not go as far as that and just stick to actual household groups going together.

I agree they're not insurmountable but I was just querying these points with the poster who described as being "quite simple" to arrange.

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I never said the logistics of a ballot was simple, that’s for the club to sort out, but the decision to have a ballot than not have anyone in at all is simple and the fairest way.

Like a previous poster said, if it was 50% then of course have half one week half the other. Although the questions you posed are probably fairly simple for the club to sort. No bubbles, just households only, and based on the address on the database.

Eddie Hearn last night was saying he expects given the go ahead next month to have fans at boxing events in October.

EFL agree deal with Sky Sports allowing clubs in all three divisions to stream every match next season until stadiums at least 50 per cent full. Clubs to keep the revenue with Sky waiving compensation rights for loss of exclusivity. https://t.co/KOmEu0MB6v

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

I've never been to Knockhill, how easy would it be for 200 people to attend whilst remaining socially distanced?

I'm assuming their regular ticket holders are their equivalent of our walk up fans? If so I'm not sure why they wouldn't favour their season ticket holders.

In terms of football, I certainly don't expect huge numbers to begin with, probably about 1000 or so.

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Yes, very easy to social distance, the area is huge and outdoors so could easily have accommodated their 600+ loyal season ticket holders.

They’ve already sold many thousand more tickets as people travel to these events from all over the country and beyond, the tickets are usually on sale up to a year in advance so will have been purchased before the lockdown.

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Originally Posted by ancient hibee

Presumably the south and west stands will be closed because that is where the players and other staff are.

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The South has been getting used for the away teams changing rooms I think

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

The South has been getting used for the away teams changing rooms I think

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Could use the upper south?

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Originally Posted by hibbysam

I never said the logistics of a ballot was simple, that’s for the club to sort out, but the decision to have a ballot than not have anyone in at all is simple and the fairest way.

Like a previous poster said, if it was 50% then of course have half one week half the other. Although the questions you posed are probably fairly simple for the club to sort. No bubbles, just households only, and based on the address on the database.

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Apologies I have obviously misunderstood your "Would be a ballot. Quite simple." comment.

Re not allowing extended households, I'm not sure that would be very fair at all considering the whole point of them is to allow people who live alone to get social interaction and is allowed in every other aspect of life at the moment.

If people can't go with an extended household then what happens to an elderly person who has no other means of getting to games other than with a son or daughter etc?

Had heard that its doubtful that concessions will get in as the over 65's are more at risk and kids are asymptomatic. No doubt that will get some peoples backs right up.